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Congress requires new tech to detect and stop drunk drivers

newtboy says...

If the car is that smart, it should just take over as the designated driver and stop drunk driving by just driving itself…..no?

dedstick said:

I agree, but lets take this to it's inevitable use: car senses illegality, locks doors, parks car and dials 911 to make sure you get the help you need from your local law enforcement friends. All in the name of group safety of course.

Congress requires new tech to detect and stop drunk drivers

newtboy says...

I hope they make it detect people on their phones too. That’s apparently more dangerous than drunk driving…..
According to the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA), driving a vehicle while texting is six times more dangerous than intoxicated driving. The Transport Research Laboratory found that writing a text message slows driver reactions by 35 percent, while drinking alcohol up to the legal limit slows reactions by 12 percent. Another study stated that texting drivers react 23 percent slower than intoxicated drivers do.

Dying in the name of freedom

StukaFox says...

- Covid
- "(...) get aids or be 14 and get pregnant."

Two of these things are not like the other...

"There are many risky behaviors that people choose / You either have free choice or you dont."

And some of them will get you put right the fuck in jail for a very long time -- like drunk driving and careless firearm discharge -- because they're FUCKING DANGEROUS TO OTHERS.

"I'm against the vaccine but realize that it was in my best interest to take it. ( 59, over weight, out of shape etc)"

Seriously, WHAT? You -do- understand what you just said, right? So let me get this straight: "Me me me me me me me me me and fuck you."?

So thank you from the bottom of my heart (seriously) for getting the vaccine for whatever reason you chose, but dude...

bobknight33 said:

@StukaFox says

Buts its ok to be a gay and get aids or be 14 and get pregnant. Both are blights on society and costly of insurance dollars / government aid.


There are many risky behaviors that people choose.


I'm against the vaccine but realize that it was in my best interest to take it. ( 59, over weight, out of shape etc)


You either have free choice or you dont.

TAC 20 years of effectively, somewhat graphic PSAs

Texas Law Hawk Highlights the Notable Laws of 2019

newtboy says...

I love me some Law Hawk, but DUIs dismissed even with a guilty plea?!?
Guess I'll be staying off Texas streets....and sidewalks...front yards, indoor malls, sports fields.....well, Texas in general. That's a terrible idea imo.

I remember back in the 70's when drunk driving in Texas was barely a crime, with most just let go and the ones that couldn't even stand or speak sent home in a taxi. It wasn't good.

Um...so now in Texas anybody including violent felons can wear brass knuckles while carrying swords anywhere in public (except schools), but try to sell lemonade without a permit, "your going under the jail, son."?

Maybe 5g is making people insane....something sure is to have those kinds of laws being put on the books rather than removed.

Beyond The Crash - The Worst News Of Your Life

Payback says...

Provide free cab service to anyone blowing over legal limit.

No public street parking within 5 blocks of a bar, after daylight hours. Free valet parking, although you have to blow clean to get your car back.

Make drunk driving akin to attempted murder. At least depraved indifference.

Vox explains bump stocks

Jinx says...

Why not take two steps in the right direction?

Taking the texting while drunk driving analogy - you'd ban both wouldn't you?. To simply ban the texting is surely tacit approval of the DUI.

I understand the sort of pragmatic approach and I'm not even sure I'd be against it... I just think you have to be careful not to imagine it as a step in the right direction because, frankly, it's not a step at all. To me it is closer to addressing a loophole in the preexisting law and it doesn't really facilitate or encourage further gun regulation. If banning bumpstocks is your end goal then great, but if you want more then I think you need to be asking for more, even (or perhaps especially?) if it means fighting for it.

MilkmanDan said:

I think a 10% reduction is pessimistic, 90% like newtboy mentioned is likely optimistic.

One person being killed would have been tragic. A quick search says most recent count is 58 dead, 515 injured. Tragic has been surpassed by some orders of magnitude, and I while see what you're saying, I think it would have been meaningfully "less tragic" if he had only had access to traditional semi-automatic.

He had a bunch of weapons and a bunch of ammo. Reload time was partially mitigated by the number of guns. But finger fatigue like newtboy mentioned would have made it hard to keep firing over a prolonged time (~10 minutes of active shooting time?), and the increased time between shots plus potential for fatigue would have let people make a break for cover or to get out of line of sight.

It may well have still been the deadliest mass shooting even if he only had semi-auto. Banning bump stocks (and other full-auto conversions) won't prevent the next one, but any mitigation at all is better than nothing. And I think it would have been rather more significant than that.


Is access to full-auto or generally equivalent to full-auto the main problem? No. I fully understand your reluctance here, because I agree that GOP legislators and the NRA are likely to hold up opposition to bump stocks as a more significant badge than it deserves to be. "SEE?! I did something about it! Pat me on the back!"

...But, on the other hand, it really is a step in the right direction. And there are no real downsides, aside from that concern about giving those parties a sort of political card to play. The public will just have to make it clear that this, while good, isn't enough by itself.

Vox explains bump stocks

ChaosEngine says...

@MilkmanDan, let's say he didn't have a bump stock. Do you think it would have meaningfully affected this tragedy?

If he had killed 10% fewer people (while it would obviously have been better for those people and their families), this would still have been the deadliest mass shooting in the US.

Basically, my argument is that plenty of people have managed to go on mass shooting sprees without bump stocks, and banning them won't stop the next mass shooting.

It's kinda like banning texting while drunk driving. Sure, you really shouldn't do it, but it's not the main problem!

Bodycam Shows Police Arrest Belligerent 18 Year-Old Woman

newtboy says...

Yeah...because passing out while drunk driving isn't a crime, right?

Hef said:

I don't see what her crime is for the cop to start the arrest?
If she's initially arrested for running her mouth then why is the cop even on duty if that's all it takes for him to escalate the situation.

All I see in this video is a cop who oversteps his mandate, fails to de-escalate the situation and ends up assaulting a civilian when he should have just let them be.

And the cops wonder why they aren't trusted by the community!

New Zealand Distracted Driving PSA

cloudballoon says...

I don't think it's uncommon for PD to reuse these Public Awareness ads other from countries. I've seen reruns of an anti-drunk driving ad made in Hong Kong (with clearly distinguishable skyscrapers found only in HK) in Toronto, Ontario, Canada occasionally (most often during the holidays) for years.

Detroit Lt. Arrested For DUI

Mordhaus says...

http://www.washtenawwatchdogs.com/wcso-lt-brian-filipiak-arrested-for-drunk-driving

http://www.washtenawwatchdogs.com/sheriff-lieutenant-brian-filipiak

This isn't the first time and the dude blew a .28 after the ride to the station and going through booking. That isn't a typo, literally over 1/4 of the blood in his body was actually alcohol. Death from alcohol poisoning can occur at .37 or higher.

The scary thing is that his tolerance must be massive, because he was still somewhat capable of speech and movement. Usually .25 to .30 level drinkers display general inertia, near total loss of motor functions, little response to stimuli, inability to stand or walk, vomiting, and incontinence.

Tesla Model S adaptive cruise control - crashes into van

newtboy says...

I feel like that's what drunk drivers tell themselves before they drunk drive....'it worked 1000 times...why not this time'.
Not that I'm saying using auto pilot is like being drunk, except in the sense that it can seem safe when it might not be....but it's probably 'safer' than >75% of human drivers.
At least it's better than sex panther...because auto pilot is more like '95% of the time it works every time'.

Esoog said:

That's what scares me the most about these automated systems..."It worked 1,000 times...just not this time". And I know that there are tons of shitty drivers out there, and when self-driving cars become the majority, maybe accidents will go down...I fear too much complacency.

Guns with History

BicycleRepairMan says...

Tobacco: 229875
Alcohol: 65678
Drunk Driving: 22204
Drug Abuse: 16423
Prescription Drug Overdose: 9852
..........
Gun related: 8,561


Dishonest use of numbers. the "gun related" tallys the number of people killed by gun violence ie people shot and killed intentionally by other people, it does not include suicide (about 20k dead a year) or accidental shootings (about 700 dead a year)

Secondly, lets look at these other causes of death: Lets see, all of these, except drunk driving, is people KILLING THEMSELVES, unintentionally. Theres a pretty big difference. Drunk driving is ILLEGAL, and nobody is arguing that it would be a good idea to have more of it. And you know, its not like we're trying to get more people killed by tobacco, for instance, in fact, lots of people are working on trying to lower the number of deaths from all these other things, but just because more people die from alcohol or tobacco use, ten to fifteen thousand murder by guns a year doesnt really count??

Secondly, people are on the whole not actually working to get guns BANNED, but to implement restrictions, perhaps in the same way owning and driving a car has its restrictions. Cars, you see, are not banned. But there are RESTRICTIONS. Does anyone feel there arent enough cars around?. No. But there are restrictions. You need a drivers license. you need to follow some traffic rules. Similar things could be implemented for guns. It would be a start.
Another place to start is gun CULTURE, which is probably the intent of this video, changing people minds about guns.

Heres a challenge to your statistics: The number of people SAVED by guns. We always hear of the elusive situation of a bad criminal breaking in to kill your family, but luckily dads an NRA member and chases the bad guy away with a trusty old gun. How often does shit like that ever actually happen?

Guns with History

Mordhaus says...

So, lets start a list shall we?

1. Incorrectly secured gun
2. Incorrectly secured gun
3. Incorrectly secured gun(s)
4. Legally owned gun(s) that were registered. Due to a series of errors, the shooter was not stopped.

2015 deaths so far in the USA:

Tobacco: 229875
Alcohol: 65678
Drunk Driving: 22204
Drug Abuse: 16423
Prescription Drug Overdose: 9852
..........
Gun related: 8,561

When you break it down, this is fucking low brow propaganda to scare people into banning something without a true understanding of how that will affect their other freedoms.

http://people.duke.edu/~gnsmith/articles/myths.htm.....if you want some facts instead of this crap.

Underage Drinking And Driving-Busted



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