Aaaaawwww….look…another failed prediction.

Poor criminal fraud, charity thief, and rapist Don is derailing because he failed to remove DA Willis and couldn’t derail, move, or even delay the case.
No impropriety, no conflict of interest, no inappropriate enrichment, therefore no disqualification and no removal.
😂
10 days until the next criminal trial…10 days until $467 million (and rising) due to NY or seizure begins. Bad times for Don.
The campaign is struggling after Don accidentally admitted he will cut social security and Medicare/medicaid (and raise the retirement age) if elected.

Hilarious, the new RNC co-chair said on live tv twice that everyone is better off today than 4 years ago…making the case for a second Biden term clearly.

Bonus - Child rapist Gaetz has been subpoenaed by his 17 year old sex trafficked “girlfriend” in a defamation case. 😂

$2.3 billion in aid from Denmark including F-16s for Ukraine who has routed Russia in the last week. Sorry comrade.

Lol. You’ve got to be kidding! Still?
🤦‍♂️ “You’re” bob. 🤦‍♂️ The word is you’re…as in you are. If contractions are too hard for you, don’t try to use them. This is second grade English stuff even in public schools, and failing to speak English as well as an average third grader can says mountains about your ability to learn facts.
Your own gullibility is constantly on display for all but you to see, paired with your unbelievable ignorance it’s pretty funny quite often. 😂

You don’t see ANY crimes from Trump, even those he’s been convicted of, but because I say it hasn’t yet been PROVEN in court the Menendez cash was bribes, you say I’m denying it. Trump has been found guilty in multiple courts, guilty of fraud, theft, charity theft, lies, rape, racist redlining, tax evasion, etc. So silly bob.

I posted the news about Menendez, dummy. I’m hardly denying it. 🤦‍♂️

I’m pointing out the difference in response to the credible accusations. When they’re against a Democrat like here, Democrats ensure the accused is immediately removed from duty so he can’t continue to sully the office.
When Republicans are accused, Republicans just deny it until they can’t, then ignore it by pointing to someone else and “what about him”ing, even with no evidence against the accused, then pretend the crime isn’t a crime (like stealing top secret military classified documents then hiding them from subpoenas and lying under oath). They absolutely never remove their criminal members from power, only Democrats care about criminal behavior in their ranks enough to vote to remove it. Trump and Santos are both examples of that, but far from the only ones. Republicans don’t expel criminals, they protect them and cry “witch hunt” and never acknowledge all the “witches” that have already been caught, convicted, and put in prison.

Funny, when foreign businessmen just hand Trump hundreds of thousands in cash (or hand his family literally billions as pure bribery) you don’t think twice….you think they just like him? It’s not out of the ordinary for local businessmen to give large sums to politicians….it is odd to give gold bars and cash, but search Trump’s house, what do you think is there? His gold just comes in toilet shape. Trump did take many official gifts to the president from foreign leaders…these also were not his to take, they, like the stolen state secrets, belong to the people, not a person.

Bwaaahahahaaa. School teachers!?! What delusion are you suffering now? I know you distrust teachers, your education level proves it daily. You would do well to get some information from teachers, it might make you realize how idiotic the randos on the internet are selling you nonsense, nor how idiotic you are to believe it. Try a real source, not biased randos that make a living selling lies to idiots. Er mer gerd. You are too funny. Now teachers are the enemy….along with gays, trans, liberals, Asians, refugees, the media, unions, Latinos, centrists, immigrants, natives, RINOS, Ukrainians…who is left in America that isn’t your enemy for something, bob?
I don’t get my current affairs information from “teachers” bob. I learned critical thinking and how to do research and vetting of sources from teachers, you obviously did not.
Maybe read this and learn something… https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McDonnell_v._United_States
It wasn’t directly for Trump, it was directly for the benefit of a Republican governor, granted, but it made it far more difficult to charge him with accepting them.

Trump was not POTUS when he illegally stole top secret classified military secrets…he was Ex POTUS. Even the president may not possess top secret classified military documents. Ex presidents cannot have any classified documents, even the current president cannot take them from a SCIF without going through the complete declassification process. You learned what you think you know about the law from the guy who is blatantly breaking it. He’s also a convicted liar…he’s lying about the law….blatantly.
It’s clear you know it and don’t care…facts are for liberals, fantasy is for MAGgots.

If you watch his interviews, he’s gone from “I have every right to take classified documents” to “I declassified them” to”they’re automatically declassified when I take them” to “I think I’m allowed to take them”….but never any excuse for violating multiple subpoenas or for lying to the fbi about still hiding more, or attempting to destroy the evidence, or for showing these sensitive documents to anyone who would listen to him blather, including registered foreign agents for hostile foreign powers (China).

Biden and vP Pence both immediately cooperated when asked to look and return anything they had, despite Biden being the president and legally allowed to personally have most classified documents and the current power to declassify or pardon himself for any breach (according to Trump), Trump lied and actively hid the military secrets he stole in a convoluted scheme to defraud the American people again and sell state secrets for cash and favors from foreign powers like Saudi Arabia.

Every time you claim “witch hunt” they seem to convict dozens of MAGA witches.
The real witch hunt is hunting Joe. Targeting private citizens for congressional investigation after congressional investigation to try to impugn Joe, and so far every one has failed. Just like Clinton. Now the biased persecution has him defending silly gun charges that are absolutely never charged alone and are only ever used to give convicted drug kingpins more time…but still haven’t found a jaywalking case against Joe.

Again, moron, I posted the video about this democrat being caught in a bribery scheme he’s certainly guilty of….I simply said there’s exponentially more evidence against Trump, much already proven in court, and nothing proven against Menendez yet. This causes you to lose your shit and throw a tantrum. 😂

There’s zero evidence Joe Biden committed any crime. None. Years of investigations have turned up nothing at all, nada, zip, zilch. 😂

Every measure of a president disagrees with you. Biden didn’t have a negative gdp for any year. Biden’s policies created 13 million jobs, he didn’t lose 3 million. Biden has strengthened our relationships internationally and stepped away from our enemies. Trump added $8 trillion to the debt, Biden $3 trillion so far…so 1/2. Biden policy ended the epidemic and lowered death rates significantly, Trump policy was so bad that it lowered life expectancy of Americans significantly and created millions of new disabled. Trump promised infrastructure week but never delivered, Biden secured the biggest infrastructure investment since the freeways were built, republicans all voted against it and are now taking credit for all its benifits.

Lol….now Santos is the same as Fetterman? Explain that….again I know you can’t. Fetterman has health issues, but no criminal activity. If health issues are disqualifying, 90% need replacing. (Or is it because he wears sweatshirts and shorts?). But to the right, being a repeated thief from invalid elderly patients, a fugitive, fraud, and liar about everything he’s ever said is only as bad as once having had a stroke you’re now recovered from…no moral or ethical or legal component to your thought process.

You are such a joke, little man. Not one bit serious. Hyper exaggerating anything you think you have on democrats, completely ignoring the fraudulent terroristic child rape gang you belong to. Here’s a reminder…
201 IN state Rep Jud McMillin - a sex video sent from his phone. He claims his phone was lost so he could be a victim but...read to the end, he’s resigned for misconduct before

202 TN State Rep David Hawk convicted for hitting his wife. Now running for Speaker.

203 TN state GOP Rep Mark Lovell - sexual harassment

204 TN State Rep.Jeremy Durham sexual misconduct

205 Alabama Republican Party Executive Committee and former Cullman County Commission Chairman James Graves, 73, 1st-degree sex abuse of 17 year-old-girl

206 Tennessee Republican judicial candidate Chuck Hunter - enticement 14-year-old teen

207 Dr Don Boys is a rape apologist. According to him, it’s not rape unless she screams and there are TWO witnesses. This is a man desperately in need of a ball gag.

208 Wasilla Republican Sen. David Wilson was disciplined for retaliation against a staffer who complained he upskirted her. Investigation ruled that while he did put his phone down by her skirt hem, he failed to get close enough. So attempted upskirting is ok? Explains Kavanaugh

209 Former GOP state house candidate Schaeffer Cox - Domestic Abuse, also soliciting murder, terrorism

210 Sheriff Joe Arpaio ignored 400 sexual assault and abuse cases, allowing rapists and molesters to continue unbothered by anything so troublesome as an investigation

211 Ron Williams II - Trump’s Kobach Voter Fraud commission staffer, also worked on claim Obama DOJ discriminated against white voters - child pornography

212 GOP Fundraiser Michael Centanni - child pornography https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/GOP-Fundraiser-Michael-Centanni-Pleads-Guilty-to-Child-Pornography-287555231.html

213 James City GOP Chair Charles K Young - child pornography

214 Republican Mayor Bill W Nelson of Stillwater NY, - child pornography - LONG history of it.

215 GOP Stockton mayor Anthony Silva - alcohol to minors, playing strip poker - he’s got a big felony trial in Nov for embezzlement, money laundering

216 CA Deputy AG Raymond Liddy, son of G. Gordon Liddy, child pornography. Some RW site call him a Dem because they call all nonpartisans Dems, but here’s over a decade of campaign giving

217 OK GOP State Sen Bryce Marlatt - sexual battery

218 OK GOP state Rep Dan Kirby - sexual harassment

219 Missouri GOP Speaker of the House Rod Jettons - pled guilty to assault, injuring a woman during “rough sex”

220 MT GOP state Rep Jason Priest - domestic violence

221 SC GOP state Rep Nelson Hardwick - accused of assault, pled guilty to sexual harassment

222 SC GOP state Rep Thad Viers, stalking and harassing ex-girlfriend - pled guilty now sentenced for money laundering

223 WI state Rep Bill Kramer - sexual assault

224 Illinois GOP Senate candidate Jack Ryan accused of coercing wife to have sex in front of people at sex clubs - the coercion is the issue. I don’t care about kinks

225 NC Baptist Minister, state Rep and County Commissioner Coy C. Privette - so soliciting prostitutes which would not be a thing, except he paid them by check, then reported the checks as stolen, the louse.

Yes you are.
A convicted rapist, repeatedly convicted fraud, and admitted child abuser worshiper. You drank the flavorade years ago and it caused brain death. You are in the child sex cult, buddy, not me.
I guess you need more evidence.

126 KY GOP state legislator Dan Johnson accused of sexual assault of 17-year-old. Killed himself

127 OR GOP state senator, Jeff Kruse, subjected two women senators to unwanted sexual touching

128 Pennsylvania Republican state rep Nick Miccarelli - domestic violence

129 Republican CO state senator Randy Baumgardner - sexual harassment,

130 OH state representative, Republican Wes Goodman — inappropriate behavior

He was also accused of fondling an underage boy

131 MN state rep Tony Cornish - sexual harassment

132 AZ state rep Don Shooter - sexual harassment

133 FL state senator Jack Latvala - sexual harassment, assault

134 KY state rep Jeff Hoover — sexual harassment

135 Idaho GOP state rep Brandon Hixon - child molestation, committed suicide

136 Republican Ohio state senator Cliff Hite — sexual harassment

137 Cumberland County Commissioner Bruce Barclay is not included because he hired male and female prostitutes every week. He’s included because he taped them without their knowledge.

138 GOP Congressional candidate Derek Walker - broke into ex’s house to tape her having sex

139 Franklin Graham, partisan religious leader, uses his family name & father’s credibility to protect child molesters and sexual predators, including Trump, Roy Moore, and Kavanaugh

140 Republican Judge Alex Kozinski, Brett Kavanaugh’s mentor: sexual harassment

141 Trump Deputy Chief of Staff for Communication Bill Shine - an expert at protecting and covering up sexual harassment and abuse.

142 How did I forget GOP Sen. Bob Packwood - serial sexual misconduct

143 Republican Columbus Mayor Dana Rinehart was never indicted for molesting 13-year-old babysitter, but years later it was discovered cop spied on her and family and worked to protect him from an indictment

144 Samuel Barstow Kent Republican Judge - sexual assault. By the way, he thinks prison is unfair

145 MO Gov Eric Greitens - consensual affair, BUT he took nude photos and threatened to publicize them. Yes, charges dropped, but only because the prosecutor was also a witness which is not allowed. Also, stealing from charity Additionally, His ex-wife accuses him of domestic violence toward her and their son

146 Montgomery Co GOP Chair Robert Kerns - rape pled to indecent sexual assault

147 Edison Misla Aldarondo, Republican Speaker of the House in Puerto Rico, rape of 17-year-old girl, molesting stepdaughter, plus corruption

148 Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas - sexual harassment. He lied to the Senate. Senate Judiciary did not allow other accusers to testify.

149 GOP Candidate for ME House, James
indicted for rape in Rhode Island, stayed in the race, won the primary, lost general, pled no contest and got probation.

150 Alabama RW religious leader - Ralph Lee Aaron - child molesting Consecutive life

Republican Tim Nolan, chairman of Donald Trump’s presidential campaign in Kentucky & Former Campbell County Judge, Served as a judge, school board member and city solicitor, forced 19 victims to perform sex acts, including seven who were minors under 16. Pled guilty on February 11, 2018 and was sentenced to serve 20 years in prison. https://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/2018/05/03/former-judge-tim-nolan-could-sentenced-today-more-drama-could-get-way/577947002/

Republican George Nader, Trump Foreign Policy Adviser, sentenced to 10 years in prison for possession of child pornography and transporting a minor into the United States for sex. https://www.courthousenews.com/child-sex-trafficker-from-trump-tower-meeting-gets-10-year-sentence/

Republican Ralph Shortey, a former Oklahoma state senator & Trump’s Oklahoma campaign chair, was indicted on four counts of human trafficking and child pornography. Pled guilty to a federal charge of child sex trafficking after hiring a 17-year-old boy for sex. Sentenced to 15 years in prison, in addition to ten years of supervised release and ordered to pay $125,000 in restitution. https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-out/trump-s-oklahoma-campaign-chair-plead-guilt-child-sex-trafficking-n822461

Republican Dennis Hastert, Speaker of the US House of Representatives, Illinois Congressman and one of the highest-ranking U.S. politicians to ever go to prison, molested at least four boys as young as 14 years of age when he coached wrestling at an Illinois High School. He was sentenced to 15 months in prison, two years' supervised release, and a $250,000 fine. A civil case was due back in court for a status hearing on Jan. 8, 2021 at the courthouse to further address the jury trial. https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/ex-u-s-house-speaker-dennis-hastert-starts-prison-term

Republican Minnesota State Representative Jim Knoblach Drops Out Of Race After Daughter Says He Molested Her For More Than Ten Years 22 Sep 2018 https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2018/09/22/lawmaker-quits-race-after-daughter-says-he-molested-her-more-than-decade/?utm_term=.8ac8527c7f43

Republican congressman and anti-gay activist Robert Bauman was charged with having sex with a 16-year-old boy he picked up at a gay bar. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Bauman

Republican Committee Chairman Jeffrey Patti was arrested for distributing a video clip of a 5-year-old girl being raped. http://www.njherald.com/article/20060510/ARTICLE/305109971

Republican Joseph Dendy, Cobb County GA Republican Party Chairman & Sunday School Teacher,was sentenced to life in prison after being convicted on four counts of child molestation, four counts of first-degree cruelty to children, three counts of enticing a child for indecent purposes, and one count each of aggravated sexual battery and aggravated child molestation. https://www.fox5atlanta.com/news/former-gop-chairman-arrested-on-child-molestation-charges

Republican anti-abortion activist Howard Scott Heldreth is a convicted child rapist in Florida. https://offender.fdle.state.fl.us/offender/sops/flyer.jsf?personId=28587

Republican director of the “Young Republican Federation” Nicholas Elizondo molested his 6-year old daughter and was sentenced to six years in prison. https://bakersfieldnow.com/news/local/registered-sex-offender-keeps-custody-of-daughter

Republican Kentucky state Representative & pastor Dan Johnson, committed suicide after an exposé revealed his serial lies, suspected arson, criminal church, racism, accused rape of a teen and more. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_Johnson_%28Kentucky_politician%29

Republican County Commissioner David Swartz pleaded guilty to molesting two girls under the age of 11 and was sentenced to 8 years in prison. http://www.lanternproject.org.uk/library/child-abuse-arrests-and-court-cases/child-abuse-arrests-trials-and-proceedings/ex-county-commissioner-admits-
sexual-abuse-of-girl/

Republican judge Mark Pazuhanich pleaded no contest to fondling a 10-year old girl and was sentenced to 10 years probation. http://www.poconorecord.com/article/20120426/NEWS90/204260334

Republican legislator Edison Misla Aldarondo was sentenced to 10 years in prison for raping his daughter between the ages of 9 and 17. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edison_Misla_Aldarondo

Republican Mayor Philip Giordano is serving a 37-year sentence in federal prison for sexually abusing 8 and 10-year old girls. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_Giordano

Republican activist and Christian Coalition leader Beverly Russell admitted to an incestuous relationship with his step daughter. https://www.nytimes.com/1995/08/02/opinion/journal-beverly-russell-s-prayers.html

Republican activist Marty Glickman (a.k.a. “Republican Marty”), was taken into custody by Florida police on four counts of unlawful sexual activity with an underage girl https://www.arktimes.com/TheHoglawyer/archives/2007/08/28/the-latest-republican-sex-scandals-plural---more-of-the-same

Republican Senate candidate John Hathaway was accused of having sex with his 12-year old baby sitter and withdrew his candidacy after the allegations were reported in the media. https://www.nytimes.com/1996/06/06/us/politics-the-senate-maine-candidate-again-faces-1990-child-sex-accusation.html

Republican preacher Stephen White, who demanded "a return to traditional values", was sentenced to jail after offering $20 to a 14-year-old boy for permission to perform oral sex on him. http://www.thedp.com/article/2004/01/brother_stephen_convicted_of_soliciting_sex

Republican Party leader Paul Ingram pleaded guilty to six counts of raping his daughters and served 14 years in federal prison. https://culteducation.com/group/1255-false-memories/6514-man-in-notorious-sex-case-finishes-term.html

Republican election board official Kevin Coan was sentenced to two years probation for soliciting sex over the internet from a 14-year old girl. https://www.semissourian.com/story/57773.html

Republican politician Andrew Buhr was charged with two counts of first degree sodomy with a 13-year old boy. https://www.arktimes.com/TheHoglawyer/archives/2007/08/28/the-latest-republican-sex-scandals-plural---more-of-the-same

Republican politician Keith Westmoreland was arrested on seven felony counts of lewd and lascivious exhibition to girls under the age of 16 (i.e. exposing himself to children). http://www.chattanoogan.com/2002/6/21/23202/Tennessee-Legislator-Commits-Suicide.aspx

Republican County Councilman Keola Childs pleaded guilty to molesting a male child. http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/2007/Oct/08/ln/hawaii710080338.html

Republican candidate Richard Gardner admitted to molesting his two daughters. https://lasvegassun.com/news/2002/oct/14/assembly-candidate-gardner-ruled-ineligible-due-to/

Republican City Councilman Fred C. Smeltzer, Jr. pleaded no contest to raping a 15 year-old girl and served 6-months in prison. https://www.wgal.com/article/council-accepts-resignation-of-member-imprisoned-for-rape/6189408

Republican activist Parker J. Bena pleaded guilty to possession of child pornography on his home computer and was sentenced to 30 months in prison http://www.salem-news.com/articles/october172007/repubscandals101707.php

Republican strategist and Citadel Military College graduate Robin Vanderwall was convicted in Virginia on five counts of soliciting sex from boys and girls over the internet. https://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Robin_Vanderwall

Republican city councilman Mark Harris, described as a “good military man / church goer,” was convicted of repeatedly having sex with an 11-year-old girl and sentenced to 12 years in prison.

Republican Brandon Hixon, Idaho State Representative, resigned while under criminal investigation for molesting two girls, including a young female relative for more than 10 years, then killed himself three months later, shortly before his ex-wife and two others were to testify before a grand jury. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/brandon-hixon-former-idaho-lawmaker-facing-sex-abuse-inquiry-kills-himself/

Republican Tony Yocham, Hamilton, TX Chief of Police, was arrested by Texas Rangers on charges of continuous sexual abuse of a child. https://www.kxxv.com/news/local-news/hamilton-county-chief-of-police-arrested-for-continuous-abuse-of-a-child

Republican Nathan Larson of the Virginia House of Delegates is a self-confessed pedophile and white supremacist. Was arrested on felony charges for kidnapping, child abduction, soliciting child pornography from a minor and meeting a child for the intention of sex. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/alleged-pedophile-white-supremacist-arrested-kidnapping-12-yr-old-girl-n1251832

I got over 1,000 more repubs @bobknight33 if you realllllly wanna play. But for now lets see you do a list of Democrats LOLOLOL

Eh, it's debatable still

Here's the WI state code as that would apply here
https://docs.legis.wisconsin.gov/statutes/statutes/939/iii/48

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Some likely applicable law from that link
From SUBCHAPTER III
DEFENSES TO CRIMINAL LIABILITY
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A person is privileged to threaten or intentionally use force against another for the purpose of preventing or terminating what the person reasonably believes to be an unlawful interference with his or her person by such other person. The actor may intentionally use only such force or threat thereof as the actor reasonably believes is necessary to prevent or terminate the interference. The actor may not intentionally use force which is intended or likely to cause death or great bodily harm unless the actor reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself.
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> It's not up to the witnesses to determine if the actions were reasonable or not, that's a question for the jury.

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"engage in unlawful conduct likely to provoke others to attack"

"Provocation affects the privilege of self-defense as follows:
(a) A person who engages in unlawful conduct of a type likely to provoke others to attack him or her and thereby does provoke an attack is not entitled to claim the privilege of self-defense against such attack, except when the attack which ensues is of a type causing the person engaging in the unlawful conduct to reasonably believe that he or she is in imminent danger of death or great bodily harm. In such a case, the person engaging in the unlawful conduct is privileged to act in self-defense, but the person is not privileged to resort to the use of force intended or likely to cause death to the person's assailant unless the person reasonably believes he or she has exhausted every other reasonable means to escape from or otherwise avoid death or great bodily harm at the hands of his or her assailant.
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>excerpted/emphasized (tldnr)
>"engages in unlawful conduct of a type likely to provoke others to attack...is NOT entitled to claim the privilege of self-defense...person is NOT privileged to resort to the use of force intended or likely to cause death to the person's assailant UNLESS the person reasonably believes he or she has exhausted every other reasonable means to escape

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He was able to run away... And while someone shot into the air they didn't shoot at HIM or point a gun at him. And the person who shot into the air isn't the one who lunged at him.

Seriously, what kind of world do you want to live in @bobknight33 ?? You want MF 17 year olds to be able to walk around with assault rifles and if you stutter-step at the wrong moment they can vigilante justice your ass ? And if that happens well they can just say

He illegally owned a gun, and was doing some vigilante justice (also illegal), and was out as a 17 year old in Wisconsin past curfew

"No minor under the age of seventeen years shall be or remain in or upon any of the streets, alleys, other public places, or any private place held open to the public in the county between twelve o'clock midnight and five a.m., unless accompanied by a parent"

Then he killed several people by shooting them with an assault rifle.

You shoulda been there w me today when I helped shoulder an otherwise healthy 17 year old into a wheelchair because "i can...tbreee... breaathe..."


I can't say anything about his medical conditions if he had any, but if there were any - i didn't have any warning of them. And we keep very accurate records of stuff like that for situations just like this.


I can say i didn't have any warning on my list for any asthma, allergy, etc. typically, that means they are not present.


GOOD THING KIDS ARE BASICALLY IMMUNE TO THIS VIRUS OR I WOULD BE WORRIED!!!

Nonsense. Utter nonsense.
"Steal whatever you want and it's no longer a crime." "Stealing is now allowed." Utter bullshit. Stealing a steak is no longer a felony, it's still a crime. Repeat offenders can be charged with felonies for petty theft. Groups can be individually charged with the entire amount the group steals. Going back repeatedly to steal more doesn't reset the amount stolen. Just so much hyper exaggeration and outright *lies in this anti-California hit piece. What this stopped was 17 year olds being charged with felonies and as adults for stealing one $1 taco, like my friend was in the 80's.

Hilarious they denounce this as causing "violence in America" when the reason it passed was non violent petty criminals were filling the prisons, causing violent criminals to get reduced or no sentences. It was passed to combat violence in America. It does not effect the penalty for any crime involving violence, and frees up space to incarcerate violent criminals.

They lied so many times in this video, in so many ways. Is there a problem, yes. Is prop 47 the main cause? Absolutely not. Is theft not a crime in California?
No, it's absolutely a crime still today.

Poverty in high cost of living areas are the main cause. Lax policing, only wanting to go after felonies because it helps their careers is another. Prison overcrowding is another. Little security in stores with expensive easily resellable small items in bad/impoverished neighborhoods is another. This is not just a California or Bay Area issue, these group store invasions have been a regular occurrence nation wide for years if not decades.

Odd how these people love to bemoan all the anti business laws in California, but don't want to recognize that California is the biggest, most robust economy in America, the fifth largest in the world if it were a country, with the second largest growth in the world if it were a country, only beaten by China in growth. Also hilarious that, when compared with TOTAL taxation, average residents of Texas ($60-$80k per year) pay MORE in taxes than the same earning level in California.
Also hilarious that, while many if not most states are sliding deeper in debt, California has a $70-$80BILLION dollar surplus. ...but by all means, right wingers, move out, it's a failed state. 🤦‍♂️

"Truth" is an idea in the mind of a crazy person. You don't need to know the truth to not lie.

"I thought I easily won the election fraud, if it wasn't for the fax checkers debunking it all...but I believe it's real." Wtf, lady. If real FACT checkers debunked it, with proof, then it's not real. She's like a 17 year old who, even though she's actually helped her parents play Santa for her little sister and seen first hand that no fat guy came down the chimney or flew off behind a bunch of giant flying deer, still believes Santa is real. How did so many Americans become so incredibly delusional that they trust convicted con men and anonymous internet trolls spreading bat shit crazy convoluted conspiracy theories that require impossibly perfect secrecy from millions of people about outrageous things like eating live babies and a cadre of space lasers over professional fact checkers with verifiable proof and sanity?

*promote for @bobknight33, you are this woman in most everyone's eyes....but far less honest, you would never admit you were wrong and definitely wouldn't pay your lost bet.

I think "strange times" are just about 17 years old when the testosterone kicks in.

Looters and arsonists and wannabe super heroes are naturally attracted to each other. It's an invitation. It's in the game. It's their party.

A good person or idea cannot go unnoticed for long. In the end, "Cream rises to the top."

Not really Strange Times. Same as it ever was.

You think that's maybe because it's the 17 year old who murdered two people and injured one shooting into a crowd?

Could it be because protesters are fighting for racial equality and an end to police murdering unarmed citizens because they're afraid of black people, and the militias are fighting against that and for the preservation of monuments to racism and racial superiority?

You think it might be because Trump and his cult are condoning and encouraging his vigilante murders as a one boy posse, jury, and executioner, but authorities have universally condemned rioting and arson?

You think it might be because Trump believers have been itching for an excuse to shoot some liberals for years, they haven't been quiet about it either, and it's clear they see the crumbling law and order under Trump as their chance to spark a culture/race/civil war, and are targeting antiracism protesters openly now, repeatedly and nation wide?

What do you think is the reason?

Lot of worry about a 17 year old trying to fend off looters and arsonists. And seemingly no worry about the looters and arsonists. Strange times we live in.

-scheherazade

Except, this time the armed public seems to be joining the tyrannical government as it turns away from the constitution.

So now any 17 year old with patriot fantasies and enough allowance money to buy a weapon becomes a constitutional scholar who can decide what's best for the country? I'd rather rely on our constitutional checks and balances. Even though current events are revealing flaws that can be exploited by a determined political faction, it's better than an angry, propagandized, armed mob.

Likely not.

Wait.
You're saying there's video of him being chased from his gun toting friends by one guy with a pistol? For blocks? And none of his friends helped him at all? That might change my mind completely....but only if they essentially dragged him away, not if he followed along arguing, and if they physically forced him away from his friends, why didn't his friends try to help?

Again, I'll need some evidence of the pepper spray to believe it, because the videos of him running he wasn't acting like a person who had been pepper sprayed, not that it would excuse killing someone else, and I'm assuming the spray came after the first homicide.

(Edit: if the pepper spraying happened, and happened before he shot, then he has zero excuses for any of them. He couldn't see, so had no idea what was happening around him, who threw what, what was thrown, or who he was shooting. You can't see after being pepper sprayed. That makes every shot fired attempted murder of any random person in the area, not self defense. To be self defense, you must know who and what you're defending yourself from. If he was sprayed, he couldn't possibly know, nor could he properly aim.)

A plastic bag mistaken for a Molotov? Not by any American kid, all boys over 7 know what a Molotov looks like from movies and video games, they don't resemble empty plastic bags.

I think you're being biased. I may be too. I'm not excusing any threatening acts by protesters before he killed one, but do excuse any acts committed trying to apprehend him afterwards. (Edit: anything they did at that point would be real self defense, not just in their own minds.)

I can't find any way to excuse him, from going armed looking for trouble to leaving his group where he felt safe to mistaking a harmless object for a deadly one and killing someone out of fear to running away armed to shooting at his pursuers to not reporting it, every act indicates intentional murder and an attempt to escape. He might have had a reason, he may have even feared for his life, but he had no real reason, put himself in the situation that scared him, and opened fire for no GOOD reason.
Children often do things for bad reasons, that's one reason they shouldn't be let loose with firearms unaccompanied, especially not in high stress events like this.
It's not that he had no reason, it's that his reasoning was flawed on all points. He had no legitimate reason, and no legitimate excuse.

Btw, in case you don't recall, I'm not anti gun at all. I am anti armed groups traveling the country intent on killing unarmed people they disagree with, even if those people are being mean and scary, even if they're stealing. If they're committing arson, well maybe, that can be mass murder.

If you find a still live version of him being chased by armed protesters away from his friends, or threatened, I would be interested in seeing them. I find it impossible to envision. It's not that I'm not open to new info, it's only that I've seen none that excuse his killings.

(Edit: I'm looking at it like this....If a 17 year old kid wants to do extreme mountain climbing with little to no training, gets on the mountain and gets panicked and, thinking it will make him safer to have two ropes disconnects his partner's harness and they die, he had a reason, but not a legitimate reason, and not an excuse. This kid wanted to do extreme policing totally untrained, he panicked, people died because of his panicked actions. It's really that simple to me.)

I didn't buy anything. There are multiple videos that aren't being shown on most news sites.

Youtube is banning them as fast as they get posted.

Here is one: https://youtu.be/NSU9ZvnudFE

This is from Newsweek(https://www.newsweek.com/kyle-rittenhouse-sef-defense-murder-protests-1528301) who had access to the videos:

How the Kenosha shootings unfolded
In the wake of the shootings, several videos appeared on social media showing the moments before, during and after the first shooting took place.

In one video, Rittenhouse is seen being chased into a parking lot by several people while still armed with his gun.

One man then fires a gun into the air from several feet away from the 17-year-old before several others shots are fired.

In another clip from a different angle, one man seen chasing Rittenhouse appears to lunge at the 17-year-old before the suspect fires at least four times.

A body, later identified as Rosenbaum, is then seen on the ground and is assisted by another male. Rittenhouse appears to make a call on a cellphone before fleeing.

It is unclear why the 17-year-old was being chased in the first place. The parking lot is reportedly around several blocks away from the area he previously claimed to be protecting with the other armed men.

Later on, Rittenhouse is filmed being chased by more people down a residential street. He is seen stumbling and falling to the ground.

One person appears to stomp on him on the ground, before the 17-year-old fires twice, hitting Huber in the stomach and another man, Gaige Grosskreutz, who was carrying a handgun, in the arm.

According to the criminal complaint, an eyewitness video shows Rosenbaum chasing Rittenhouse and throwing what was ultimately determined to be a plastic bag at the suspect, not an incendiary device.

"Rosenbaum appears to be unarmed for the duration of this video," the document adds.

In response to Parkinson's tweet, New York Times columnist Jamelle Bosuie noted: "I have been seeing this everywhere on here. It is an explicit argument that if someone is trying to stop you after you killed someone, you can continue shooting and killing in 'self-defense.'

Parkinson added: "Why leave out during the 2nd shooting, after Rittenhouse trips, he was jumped by several men, including another armed protester, attacked by a skateboard—prior to firing more shots?"

The man holding the skateboard was Rittenberg's alleged second victim Huber, who died after being shot in the chest.

***You'll notice that even some of their videos were removed/banned***

I'm not saying the kid was in the right 100%. He definitely committed the crime of being under aged with a firearm. He shouldn't have listened to right wing calls to go defend property in a different state.

What we have is a kid who heard people shooting, got scared, a 'protester' threw what he thought was an incendiary device at him and he shot that person. He then tried to flee to the police line and you can read what else happened.

Here is the tweet that shows the survivor wishes he had just mag dumped his glock into the teen: https://twitter.com/mrandyngo/status/1299086141329563648

Gaige Grosskreutz, 26. Hes a member of the People’s Revolution Movement. He has numerous encounters with the police but I couldn't find a felony. This was his biggest charge: Go Armed with Firearm While Intoxicated, a class A misdemeanor, Wisconsin Statutes 941.20(1)(b).

Anthony Huber. https://wcca.wicourts.gov/caseSearchResults.html (for some reason it wont link, you can type his name in to see all, but here is one specific one https://wcca.wicourts.gov/caseDetail.html?caseNo=2014CF000057&countyNo=39&index=0)
Online arrest records show Huber was arrested several times on battery, drugs and other charges. He also had a case from 2012 where he was convicted of domestic abuse strangulation and suffocation and false imprisonment with a dangerous weapon, both felonies. Other charges – for second-degree recklessly endangering safety, battery, and disorderly conduct – were dismissed but read in.

Joseph Rosenbaum. https://twitter.com/musicandwhiskey/status/1298861484752035840/photo/1
https://www.rt.com/usa/499205-kenosha-shooting-victim-id/
https://www.bailbondshq.com/arizona/azdoc-inmate-JOSEPH/172556
https://inmatedatasearch.azcorrections.gov/PrintInmate.aspx?ID=172556
Rosenbaum had an open criminal case on battery, disorderly conduct and domestic abuse charges, according to the Wisconsin Circuit Court website. (https://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/ny-kenosha-victims-identified-as-anthony-huber-joseph-rosenbaum-20200827-zvrsv7fpqfftlmjyrtjrmg5wwa-story.html
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As far as right wing people showing up and pretending to be Antifa, I suppose anything is possible. But most of all these looting and rioting things have been going on since all this shit broke loose months ago. I doubt very much that all of these 'peaceful protestors' are RW loonies. Clearly the 3 that were shot in Kenosha weren't and they were all part of the groups rioting...I mean 'protesting.

There are more videos if you want to find them. Shoot me, N Rosenbaum is seen attacking and throwing something at Kyle. You can see a gun fired as well by someone else. Videos show them chasing a fleeing person, who at that point is being attacked by them. Skater boi was beating him prone with a skateboard. 'Medic' Grosskreutz was carrying a fully fucking loaded Glock 17 and grabbing Kyle's rifle.

You know I don't make up shit like Bob does. But I do look in multiple places to find out what I can before I say something. Like I said, the kid fucked up, but I 100% believe in his mind he was defending himself and trying to reach the police for help.