Why ethics are bankrupt without science/reason:

1. What is the action?  You may need some knowledge of science to even understand what the various possiblities for action are.

2. What are the effects of the action?

3. How do those effects relate to the fulfillment/frustration of various value judgements?

4. How do various value judgements relate to each other?   Do they contradict one another in principle, as applied, or not at al?

Science and reason are necessary for all four of those questions.

GeeSussFreeK says...

I was thinking about something similar just the other day. I was considering what morality is, and what is needed for it. It got me thinking about how you even describe morality...what is it? Is morality about yourself, or is morality about yourself with other people, or is it just about other people? I came to a satisfactory definition of morality: The use of reason to influence behavior. In this definition, even animals have morals. For instance, cobra snakes do not bite each other when fighting for a mate. They are using knowledge of their toxicity versus the nature of their reproductive cycle and making a rule against it. And while I am sure that bites happen from time to time, the general moral principle is observable.

Though, I don't think science is part of that equation entirely. Science is a notion of trial and observation. I don't know if you need that for the development of moral principles and ethics. I like to think of science as a mod or reason, a rectangle to reasons square. Empirical inquiry, for instance, can't tell you what morals even are or should be. Empirical inquiry, in fact, is very very limited in the types of questions it can even answer. Very useful for many many things, but as far as ethics go, it doesn't have much to offer. You can get more help from pure logical, a priori modes of inquiring when talking about things of this nature, IMO.

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