Not pro-death, pro-ignorance.

They just want, like children. Doesn't matter what it is, or involve any thought, perspective, empathy, etc. It's funny because someone else is getting hit in the balls.

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Death penalty:

"The 775 killers who were executed between 1998 and 2008 had murdered at least 1591 people. That is an average of 2 victims per executed killer."

Liberals never quite get around to thinking about the victims of the convicted murderers on death row; not ONE of the latter has ever been proven innocent--posthumously or otherwise--since the 1950s.

"If we are to abolish the death penalty, I should like to see the first step taken by my friends the murderers."
-- Alphonse Karr (1808-1890)


Ron Paul Health Care: it was a loaded, piss-poor question and liberals know it. Why? Because there are two scenarios for the question. Is our theoretical 30-year-old living in "our" world where there is de facto socialist health care in the USA? I asked someone with a degree in Hospital Admin what would be his fate. Her answer: "If he has no insurance, his care is free."

OR is the scenario taking place in a libertarian free market health care world, which has NEVER been allowed to exist?

I gots no problems with liberal foolishness; it exists in abundance. What I despise is intellectual dishonesty and these crafted propagandist soundbites from the original source, not even the smarmy Liberalviewer, were just that.

>> ^quantumushroom:

Death penalty:
"The 775 killers who were executed between 1998 and 2008 had murdered at least 1591 people. That is an average of 2 victims per executed killer."
Liberals never quite get around to thinking about the victims of the convicted murderers on death row; not ONE of the latter has ever been proven innocent--posthumously or otherwise--since the 1950s.
"If we are to abolish the death penalty, I should like to see the first step taken by my friends the murderers."
-- Alphonse Karr (1808-1890)


Irrelevant (and also wrong, but anyway). Leaving aside the questionable morality of state-sponsored revenge killing, it fails both as a tool for law enforcement and as a fiscally conservative policy. It costs way more to execute someone than to incarcerate them for life.

>> ^quantumushroom:

Ron Paul Health Care: it was a loaded, piss-poor question and liberals know it. Why? Because there are two scenarios for the question. Is our theoretical 30-year-old living in "our" world where there is de facto socialist health care in the USA? I asked someone with a degree in Hospital Admin what would be his fate. Her answer: "If he has no insurance, his care is free."
OR is the scenario taking place in a libertarian free market health care world, which has NEVER been allowed to exist?
I gots no problems with liberal foolishness; it exists in abundance. What I despise is intellectual dishonesty and these crafted propagandist soundbites from the original source, not even the smarmy Liberalviewer, were just that.


It's a reasonable question. No, that world (thankfully) doesn't exist, but it's a world RP wants to create. We're entitled to know how his pie-in-the-sky bullshit would pan out in the real world.

And to hear a conservative complain about intellectual dishonesty and crafted soundbites is really the pot calling the kettle black.

Well, the Ron Paul right wingers I can't really explain. They are pro death for unborn babies and the uninsured, but pro-life for convicted serial killers.

A better number of right wingers though are pro-life for unborn babies, and pro-death for serial killers. That at least seems self consistent and not inherently and obviously evil or wrong.

Oh, and worst off, the clip where Ron Paul gets called out makes it look as though it's the moderator calling him out. The reality was it was another of his fellow candidates calling him out. Hiding that behind video editing just to make it seem like the candidate were all 'pro-death' is grossly dishonest. BOO!

Just because someone is liberally biased doesn’t mean they can read minds, so no one knows what the people were or weren’t cheering.  Even if there were some who are cheering for the reasons neolibs discuss, it is still impossible to ascribe that intent to even a tiny fraction of the total audience.  But compounding the prejudice, neolibs apply the caricature onto entire populations who weren’t even there.
 
Prejudice and hate cause human beings to believe stereotypes as a means to quickly poison the mind.  Such poison acts as a sedative to cloud reason, mercy, and understanding.  This dulling of human beneficence makes the prepared rabble
easily manipulated and susceptible to the ginning up of anger and hate.  And finally, it creates a mob that has no problem carrying out acts of violence.  Gobbels could only tip his hat in admiration at how successful the Democrats have been at suckering in so many ready, eager, and willing neolibs to be brownshirts. 
 
At this point it is quite impossible to keep track of all the myriad abominations that neolibs use as talking points to vilify anyone who has even the slightest deviation from their radical philosophies.  This is what we get for electing a Community Organizer I.E. Rabble Rouser.  If the left-wing blogosphere is any indicator, he’s certainly good at the only ‘job’ he’s ever held before.  This is going to be a messy election not because the GOP has a few people who inappropriately cheer the principle of justice at the wrong moment.  It’s going to be messy because the radical left is about 3 hairs and some air away from lynching anyone who looks at them cock-eyed.

Again QM,

Lies. There have been more than a few innocents killed on death row.




>> ^quantumushroom:

Death penalty:
Liberals never quite get around to thinking about the victims of the convicted murderers on death row; not ONE of the latter has ever been proven innocent--posthumously or otherwise--since the 1950s.

@quantumushroom

Straight out, yes or no answer, please.

Is it okay with you if people wrongfully convicted and placed on death row are executed by the state?

This isn't asking for a long essay.

Yes. Or no.

Is it okay with you if people wrongfully convicted and placed on death row are executed by the state?

Are you OK with the criminal justice system inprisoning people who are innocent? Yes or no.

My answer is that the question is idiotic. You can't answer complex societal questions with Yes/No answers. Boiling it down to that simplistic a level is ridiculous and childish.

Society is complex. There is no such thing as a perfect system, and certainly no such thing as a perfect system of justice. That by definition means that there are going to be instances when innocent people are wrongfully convicted of crimes for which they were not responsible. Does that mean society should just pack it in and not bother at all with the rule of law? Of course not. Does that means sometimes justice will horribly miscarry? Yes it does. But the overall benefit is outweighed by the cost. People in a civilized society need to know that there is some measure of justice to which they can appeal to with a relative degree of confidence. That is worthwhile.

Many people on the right say the Death Penalty is a deterrent. I have not seen conclusive evidence of that. However - I do not need it. Many people on the left say that since capital punishment is such a 'final' solution that it should not exist at all. I say that is total hogwash. Even the most dyed in the wool neolib will come to a certain point and say there are SOME people who deserve it - usually anyone who opposes their ideology...

My stance is that there are those in society who through their actions have abandoned the right to exist within society. Their crimes are so vile and despicable, that they have wilfully chosen to abrogate their right to continue in it. For such creatures, the death penalty is not revenge. It is not punishment. It is justice. That's all.

I think he hates actual debate even if that debate is a yes or no question. Is he trolling for "balance" or is he for real?

>> ^bareboards2:

@quantumushroom
Straight out, yes or no answer, please.
Is it okay with you if people wrongfully convicted and placed on death row are executed by the state?
This isn't asking for a long essay.
Yes. Or no.
Is it okay with you if people wrongfully convicted and placed on death row are executed by the state?

Yes, I am okay with innocent people being imprisoned. The world isn't perfect. Caca occurs.

I am NOT okay with the state taking an action that is permanent. I am NOT okay with the state executing an innocent person. There is no coming back from that.

So Winston Pennypacker.

I'll ask you, yes or no, since @quantumushroom neglected to answer the question.

Are you okay with an innocent person being executed by the state? It is a yes or no question because guess what, it is fuck all a yes or no question. It is the ultimate in yes or no questions.

If you don't have the balls to answer it, then you should just back out of this conversation.

Say it. Say yes you are okay with an innocent person getting executed. It is a helluva a lot easier to say it is okay than it is ACTUALLY KILL SOMEONE.

Say it. Which you did not in your essay. Say you are okay with an innocent person being killed.

>> ^Winstonfield_Pennypacker:

Are you OK with the criminal justice system inprisoning people who are innocent? Yes or no.

I've added winston to the conversation now. Let's see if he can say the words.

>> ^shagen454:

I think he hates actual debate even if that debate is a yes or no question. Is he trolling for "balance" or is he for real?
>> ^bareboards2:
@quantumushroom
Straight out, yes or no answer, please.
Is it okay with you if people wrongfully convicted and placed on death row are executed by the state?
This isn't asking for a long essay.
Yes. Or no.
Is it okay with you if people wrongfully convicted and placed on death row are executed by the state?