1) First they claim to represent the 99%, bull shit. Tea Party admittedly Represented themselves and their preferences. They never claimed to speak for anyone but themselves.
2) The cops never arrested a single tea party protestor. Special cleaning crews are being brought in to clean up after the trash messes left all over by the "99%" costing the city $$$. Tea party cleaned up after themselves.

You want a better paying job. What you think someone is going to hand it to you, what you don't think you have to fight for it.
You know what the difference between "99%" and successful people. Successful people got a job working at McDonalds. While working there they went looking for a higher paying job, a step up. Then while they found that step up job, they went looking for another step up job. They learned a skill or a trade which means $$, They didn't sit on there ass waiting for someone to hand them a higher paying job.

You think I never ate a $0.50 raman for lunch and dinner for a week. Oatmeal for breakfast. Screw you, and your self entitled bull shit.

Obama is the one bailing everybody out. Obama is the one that got sponsored by BP and did nothing during the oil spill but turn people trying to help away. Obama ran up a larger debt then Bush did. Not the fucking republican party.

Then your pissed that the jobs bill didn't pass... seriously. So now you want the government to be responsible for jobs... and yet your complaining that they are to involved in business and corporations.

You are like children asking there parents for money and living under their roof while getting pissed that you have to follow there rules.

^When replying to comments like this, I think it is useful to put my answer in context with my own experience.

My wife and I both recently finished our PhDs. We went to top ten institutions. As a graduate student, I received numerous awards, over 20 peer-reviewed publications, and outstanding letters of reference. I am telling you this to establish that I am a competitive candidate.

After graduation I had a temporary position, while working there I searched for a job. I applied to several jobs and fellowships, etc. Although I consistently made it to the final cut, I did not get an offer right away. Long story short, it took me a year to find a job.

My wife has been searching for a job for over a year. She applied to jobs at Safeway, Whole Foods, etc. to make ends meet. However, once they find out she has an advanced degree they toss out her application. Most industry positions require 2+ years industry experience. Hence, she can't get labor jobs because she is too educated, and she can't get industry jobs because she does not have industry experience.

Do you see the problem? And, I am sure we are not the only people who are struggling. In summary, I think reductive and simplistic rants like yours are naive at best and willfully ignorant at worst.

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made the best point at the end, "we're getting screwed and you're not helping". I don't bother watching regular news, or even TV anymore, if I want some news i'll get it online from places like RT, Democracy now and the RNN, if I want to be entertained i'll watch some sports or go outside.

@ptrcklgrs It's easier to have a stable ground if you've already been working on it for years. This economy is getting worse and for those of us who don't have the years invested either move back in with the parents or risk being on the street and homeless. Everything is getting more expensive. The job market is thinning. Financial agreements are riskier. It's not easy to have an apartment on some shitty restaurant job's pay.

As for the bitching from parents for rules not being followed. I believe that is a combination of many things. People are in worse moods, even if they have a stable ground the appearance of things going wrong are all around us. Breaking rules is beginning to feel like the intelligent "get a leg up" response to all this shit going on. Yes this will lead to many bad things but people are frustrated and do not have the "options" you're saying everyone does.

As for Tea party non-sense...it's so dated. No one really thinks it was anything more than a huge embarrassment. Get over it. Your friends are a bunch of inbred hill-billies.

Time for your meds? >> ^ptrcklgrs:

AAAAAaaaaaAAAAaaaAAAAaaAAaAaAAAAAaaaAAAA!!!!

>> ^Thumper:

@ptrcklgrs It's easier to have a stable ground if you've already been working on it for years. This economy is getting worse and for those of us who don't have the years invested either move back in with the parents or risk being on the street and homeless. Everything is getting more expensive. The job market is thinning. Financial agreements are riskier. It's not easy to have an apartment on some shitty restaurant job's pay.
As for the bitching from parents for rules not being followed. I believe that is a combination of many things. People are in worse moods, even if they have a stable ground the appearance of things going wrong are all around us. Breaking rules is beginning to feel like the intelligent "get a leg up" response to all this shit going on. Yes this will lead to many bad things but people are frustrated and do not have the "options" you're saying everyone does.
As for Tea party non-sense...it's so dated. No one really thinks it was anything more than a huge embarrassment. Get over it. Your friends are a bunch of inbred hill-billies.


yupyup, a more apt title for them would have been the the Koch brothers propaganda party

Soooo... Where's this guy's video they're talking about here? Never heard of this guy but he sounds like he's on coke or something.

>> ^ForgedReality:

Soooo... Where's this guy's video they're talking about here? Never heard of this guy but he sounds like he's on coke or something.


what does someone on coke or something sound like? i'm assuming you are drawing from experience here...

>> ^packo:

>> ^ForgedReality:
Soooo... Where's this guy's video they're talking about here? Never heard of this guy but he sounds like he's on coke or something.

what does someone on coke or something sound like? i'm assuming you are drawing from experience here...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2491LucLa1g

But yeah make a douchey response. You know full well I'm referring to his hyperactive speech tendencies. I'm not suggesting he does any drugs, it just sounds like he's hyped up on something. Maybe that's just the way he talks. It was just an observation, but thanks for the insults buddy!

So your options are:

1). Get rich or die trying.
3). Stay poor and it's your own damn fault.

I think you missed one.
>> ^ptrcklgrs:

stuff

Nah, that's just because you live under a rock. First rule of posting on Videosift: don't get into the conversation unless you know the full story.

>> ^ForgedReality:

Soooo... Where's this guy's video they're talking about here? Never heard of this guy but he sounds like he's on coke or something.

Uhh, i didn't mean to upvote that top guy's comment, because it's full of bollocks.

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Without #OWS we wouldn't have the entertainment of seeing them poop on NYC police cars or getting maced for storming the Smithsonian last weekend.

>> ^ptrcklgrs:
Obama is the one bailing everybody out.


Bush is the person who bailed out Wall Street. Or were you not watching the news that day? Obama just continued the bailouts. It's not really fair to blame a problem that was snowballing for so long on the person who became president right after it happened. Bush had eight years. Not only did he not do anything about the housing bubble, but he set us up to spend six-billion-dollars-a-month on the fruitless wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. Only to have Obama catch Bin Laden.

I'm willing to entertain the idea that the Democrats are responsible for our predicament as well. But focusing on the left-right controversies is exactly what the people in power want us to do. Because it prevents us from discussing the real issues. We can just sit around blaming each-other forever as far as they're concerned.

When my father graduated high-school, he learned the floor-covering trade. (carpet,vinyl,etc...) His first job paid him three dollars an hour and it was enough to support a family of four. Back in the sixties, three dollars would get you a six-pack of beer and a pack of cigarettes with a dollar left over. Now, three dollars won't even cover the gas I spend to get to work, not even one way.

And people can spin the numbers and facts any way that they want. Just as I've done here. But no matter how you spin it, the fact that there is a problem is glaringly obvious to most people. Even if we don't see it the same way. You obviously think there's a problem as well, but I just can't buy that we live in a society where working hard brings success, not anymore.

And you know what? If people keep protesting in numbers like this, they're going to make a change for better or worse. You don't need to be organized or even "right" to have an effect. The power lies in the numbers, not the message. It's the same for the Tea Party. Wouldn't it be great if we could come together and use those numbers for something positive?

>> ^ptrcklgrs:
Special cleaning crews are being brought in to clean up after the trash messes left all over by the "99%" costing the city $$$.


And one last thing: Who do you think was responsible for cleaning up Boston Harbor in 1773?

EPIC TEAPARTY BURN.

>> ^Ryjkyj:

And one last thing: Who do you think was responsible for cleaning up Boston Harbor in 1773?

>> ^ptrcklgrs:
Special cleaning crews are being brought in to clean up after the trash messes left all over by the "99%" costing the city $$$.

Watch him own foxnews here (foxnews didn't air the footage)

Video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6yrT-0Xbrn4

Transcript:
Transcript to above video

You (Or should I say Jon Stewart) trying to be funny by making a stupid reference to the 1773 Boston tea party, in a 2008-2011 Boston Tea Party VS "99%", is well, in a word stupid.

Yes Bush did bail out Wall Street. Which I didn't agree with. However He is no longer in office, and I'm sick of all these people blaming others. Under Obama:

Patriot Act was EXTENDED and added to.
NASSA was shut down.
He has run up a higher debt then Bush did.
Got us in another war.

Bush was not my favorite. But fuck wake up Obama. At least Bush was up front with his "crusade". Obama promised all these things and delivered the exact opposite. I mean come on, If I voted for him, I would be sooooo fucking furious at him.

Fun Fact: Bush is more loved in Africa then Obama. Bush created the largest oceanic preserve. Look into it.

>> ^hpqp:

EPIC TEAPARTY BURN.
>> ^Ryjkyj:

And one last thing: Who do you think was responsible for cleaning up Boston Harbor in 1773?

>> ^ptrcklgrs:
Special cleaning crews are being brought in to clean up after the trash messes left all over by the "99%" costing the city $$$.

So you are just not going to argue against or concede to any of the points I raised in my comment? Two thumbs up.
>> ^ptrcklgrs:

You (Or should I say Jon Stewart) trying to be funny by making a stupid reference ....

>> ^ptrcklgrs:

I don't understand analogies.
>> ^hpqp:
EPIC TEAPARTY BURN.
>> ^Ryjkyj:

And one last thing: Who do you think was responsible for cleaning up Boston Harbor in 1773?

>> ^ptrcklgrs:
Special cleaning crews are being brought in to clean up after the trash messes left all over by the "99%" costing the city $$$.



There are no stupid questions. Only stupid answers.

I'm sorry no where in my message do I say "i don't understand analogies" you just intentionally miss-quoted me.

I said I understand your attempt at an analogy between "99%" and the "Tea Party" of 1773. But this isn't between those two. It is between "99%" and Today's "Tea Party".

I'm sorry, you sounded coherent at first but I am no longer interested in talking to you. Get over you since of denial that in this case, this one case, you might be wrong. That doesn't mean everything the Democratic party has ever done is wrong. I'm just arguing with this case.

>> ^Ryjkyj:

>> ^ptrcklgrs:
I don't understand analogies.
>> ^hpqp:
EPIC TEAPARTY BURN.
>> ^Ryjkyj:

And one last thing: Who do you think was responsible for cleaning up Boston Harbor in 1773?

>> ^ptrcklgrs:
Special cleaning crews are being brought in to clean up after the trash messes left all over by the "99%" costing the city $$$.


There are no stupid questions. Only stupid answers.

Sorry I didn't respond. I got a few replys and missed yours.

My first question is what is your PHD in.

My comment on that is, I dropped out of college. I didn't see a use for it. College sadly has gotten to be a for profit education system.

IV league schools probably only 10% of the people who go there, got in on merit. The rest are because Mommy or Daddy is famous. George Bush Jr didn't diserve to go to Yale. He got in because of who his dad was.

I had a teacher in college who made us Buy his book and we had to buy it new. He would also sign the inside cover so people couldn't use the same book twice. If we didn't it would effect 5% of our grade. He was a greedy little shit.

Which is why Tenure is corrupting our Education system. I had great teachers and I had shitty teachers. I just want to be able to get rid of the shitty teachers to bring in more great teachers.

Florida got rid of tenure, and you can search and read the benefits it has had on the children.

If you use College as a Vocational (Trade) school it still works. But I have alot of friends who have degrees in Communication and Physical Education who are having a hard time finding jobs and don't understand why. And I feel bad for them.

Art History majors. We are simply graduating 100x the amount of art history majors then there are jobs in art history.

I undestand your issue with being over qualified and it sucks. If I were you or your wife, I would leave it off my resume and lie. If your dealing with Safeway or a big company, no one is getting hurt. I wouldn't do that to a Mom and Pop Shop.
>> ^MycroftHomlz:

^When replying to comments like this, I think it is useful to put my answer in context with my own experience.
My wife and I both recently finished our PhDs. We went to top ten institutions. As a graduate student, I received numerous awards, over 20 peer-reviewed publications, and outstanding letters of reference. I am telling you this to establish that I am a competitive candidate.
After graduation I had a temporary position, while working there I searched for a job. I applied to several jobs and fellowships, etc. Although I consistently made it to the final cut, I did not get an offer right away. Long story short, it took me a year to find a job.
My wife has been searching for a job for over a year. She applied to jobs at Safeway, Whole Foods, etc. to make ends meet. However, once they find out she has an advanced degree they toss out her application. Most industry positions require 2+ years industry experience. Hence, she can't get labor jobs because she is too educated, and she can't get industry jobs because she does not have industry experience.
Do you see the problem? And, I am sure we are not the only people who are struggling. In summary, I think reductive and simplistic rants like yours are naive at best and willfully ignorant at worst.

I am slightly frustrated (annoyed) that you missed my point, given that I think I made it very clear.

Not everyone who is having trouble finding a job is undereducated, not willing to explore labor jobs, educated in something that is not useful, or self-entitled.

In fact, quite the opposite. Most people I know who are having trouble finding work are unemployed because they lack industry experience, which they can't get because no one is hiring entry level positions. Thus, your reductive and simplistic rant is an naive interpretation of the current economic situation. As such, your blanket statements about people who can't find a job are simply false.

I gave a specific example that demonstrated empirically (a concrete example of) my point. To reiterate (repeat), highly educated people are unable to obtain labor jobs due to their credentials, because companies like Safeway, Wholes Foods, Walmart, etc fear these employees will not stay long enough to recoup any investment in training.

The fact that you persist in clinging on to your beliefs and cant say simply "You are right, and I was wrong. Good point, I should not have made a blanket statement" indicates to me that you are willfully ignorant (intentionally making an effort to not understand).

I look forward to your reply.

Here are the specific answers to your questions:
1) I am an experimental physicist and my wife is a biologist.

2) At research universities (Harvard, Stanford, etc), Professors hired based on research. Typically they are pioneers in their field and have numerous high profile publications.

3) My position is based on merit. As I said, I received numerous awards based on my academic and research performance.

4 & 5) non sequiturs (off topic).

6) You advice is to LIE! What is she supposed to say she has done for employment in the last 6 years? Are you kidding me?

>> ^ptrcklgrs:

1) My first question is what is your PHD in.

2) College sadly has gotten to be a for profit education system.

3) IV league schools probably only 10% of the people who go there, got in on merit.

4) I had a teacher in college who made us Buy his book... I had great teachers and I had shitty teachers.

5) I just want to be able to get rid of the shitty teachers to bring in more great teachers.

6) I undestand your issue with being over qualified and it sucks. If I were you or your wife, I would leave it off my resume and lie. If your dealing with Safeway or a big company, no one is getting hurt. I wouldn't do that to a Mom and Pop Shop.

>> ^ptrcklgrs:

I'm sorry no where in my message do I say "i don't understand analogies" you just intentionally miss-quoted me.
I said I understand your attempt at an analogy between "99%" and the "Tea Party" of 1773. But this isn't between those two. It is between "99%" and Today's "Tea Party".
I'm sorry, you sounded coherent at first but I am no longer interested in talking to you. Get over you since of denial that in this case, this one case, you might be wrong. That doesn't mean everything the Democratic party has ever done is wrong. I'm just arguing with this case.



Nothing gets by you huh?

So OK, if what you're saying is that today's Tea Party has absolutely nothing to do, in any way whatsoever, with the 1773 Tea Party, well it seems a little harsh but I guess I can agree with that. You're completely right.

I'm really glad you brought up the subject of coherence because I'm having a little trouble understanding what you mean by, "Get over you since of denial". I don't want to just assume that I know what you were trying to say, but I can't shake the feeling that I do. So, in the interest of making my own self clear, I'm going to quote the parts of my post (word for word) that I think you might have intentionally forgotten to read:


>> ^Ryjkyj:
...I'm willing to entertain the idea that the Democrats are responsible for our predicament as well. But focusing on the left-right controversies is exactly what the people in power want us to do. Because it prevents us from discussing the real issues. We can just sit around blaming each-other forever as far as they're concerned...
...And people can spin the numbers and facts any way that they want. Just as I've done here. But no matter how you spin it, the fact that there is a problem is glaringly obvious to most people. Even if we don't see it the same way. You obviously think there's a problem as well...
...The power lies in the numbers, not the message. It's the same for the Tea Party. Wouldn't it be great if we could come together and use those numbers for something positive?...


The thing that really cracks me up about your response is that it gives the impression that you are trying to recede to some moral or intelligent high ground. But the thing is, you can't recede to a place that you were never at to start with. So really what you're doing is just backtracking, when in fact, it was your first post that was filled with insults and a refusal to admit that the other side could ever be right about anything at all. If you're going to maintain that attitude, then why don't you just admit it instead of trying to project your intellectual short-comings onto others? Which by the way is in and of itself, a symptom of denial.

Also, I understand that you're talking about this on a case by case basis. But just because you're talking about two groups in the present, doesn't mean that the past has no bearing. And as far as Obama, there are plenty of people in "the 99%" who are complaining about him as well. I'm not sure why everyone needs to project that onto the crowd.

And WTF is with the, "Bush is more loved in Africa then(sic) Obama" bullshit? Why do people feel such a need to keep bringing it up? Obama is not African. He's American. My ancestors were from Scotland, but I don't give more of a shit about what Scottish people think of me than anyone else. And of course Africans favor Bush, the whole continent is predominantly Muslim.

Too bad you're not interested in talking anymore. I was really enjoying this.

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Gee, this guy has the same complaint as the Tea Party...debt!

Perhaps they have something in common. But all the progressives hated the Tea Party. Maybe we can all get along here on common ground.

but seriously folks, I don't care if you have ten Ph.Ds, you are not guaranteed a job. Where did you get that idea?

Do you seriously think the gov't can guarantee you a job? When they run out of good ones, you'll be left sweeping the streets, like they do in North Korea.

I am impressed that you missed my point after reading through the thread.

I never said a PhD should guarantee you a job.

I did say:
1) It is very hard, even for exceptional candidates, to find research/academic/industry jobs.
2) Labor jobs are not given to PhDs because companies believe they are not worth the investment in training.
3) Recent PhDs have a particularly hard time because most industry positions require 2+ industry experience.

Your final point is a non sequitur.
>> ^lantern53:
...I don't care if you have ten Ph.Ds, you are not guaranteed a job...

Sorry but I don't think I missed your point. Also I am not playing ignorant. I didn't think those points needed recognition.

I recognize unemployment is at an all time high.
I recognize a large percentage of those are college graduates.
I believe everything you said. I pretty much agreed with your idea, sorry if I'm misinterpreting is that, jobs are hard to get these days even for college students and there is a definite issue with over qualifications.

I don't understand what I said that would induce a statement from you encouraging a response from me in the terms "You are right, and I was wrong". I re-read what I wrote and don't think that there was any blanket statement made, let alone one that has an extreme contradiction to what you said. So sorry if I'm a little lost. If you could quote the statement I made that you clearly disagree with I would be happy to discuss.

One of my points I feel like you may of missed, is that College is graduating more people in fields then there are jobs for that field. Which isn't helpful because people end up "throwing away" their degrees and getting jobs in other fields and now have to pay off student loans making it hard to get by.

I do recognize the issue with Entry Level Jobs. In programming I see job offerings all the time that say "Entry Level Position" then on it "2-4 years experience" I already have a job so I every time I see that I've started e-mailing those companies "2-4 Years expierience" !== "Entry Level" (!== means not equal, nerd joke).

Also their is a difference between Lying and omission from a Resume. I guess I shouldn't of used "Lie". My bad. Their is nothing wrong with not putting in PHD and rather just putting in BA. You don't have to put everything on a resume, I mean I've seen some with people with Dog Watching on their resume. A lot of job consultants will tell you not to make one generic and use it for everyone. Tweak it to what's important to the company you are applying for. Not lying.

My issue with this whole "99%":
1) How is picketing Wall Street helping Jobs. These people don't have a game plan, they are just screaming. Wall Street guys are huge douche bags, but at the same time I still have money in the market and my portfolio is still doing well. It's growth has definitely slowed over the past few years but it is still more then 3 years ago. Mainly I diversified. All these people who lost all their money had all their eggs in one basket. Which there is a saying for that.
2) They keep blaming Fox News / Republicans. But a republican isn't president, and for a period Democrats held House and Senate and President. During these times They still blamed Fox News / Republicans for everything. Dems had all the power at a time and didn't do shit with it. I just want to know when they are going to start holding Obama accountable. Obama is a terrible president. The problem is when I say that people think I'm defending Bush or some crap. Fuck Bush. Fuck Obama. Give me another Option. I though Clinton did a fine job. So did Bush Sr.
3) I can't get behind these people because they have no Game Plan. If they had Action Items Examples "Fire This Person", "Pass This Bill", "something" I could possibly get behind their ideas and message. But they don't so I don't even know what they want. They just go "I don't like the economy and the job situation". Nobody does. Hell even Rich do, the higher employment is, the more money Ford, Chevy, Coca Cola, other big companies make. So they are not against jobs.

To quote Lewis Black "Republicans have Bad Ideas, Democrats have No Ideas".

>> ^MycroftHomlz:

I am slightly frustrated (annoyed) that you missed my point, given that I think I made it very clear.
Not everyone who is having trouble finding a job is undereducated, not willing to explore labor jobs, educated in something that is not useful, or self-entitled.
In fact, quite the opposite. Most people I know who are having trouble finding work are unemployed because they lack industry experience, which they can't get because no one is hiring entry level positions. Thus, your reductive and simplistic rant is an naive interpretation of the current economic situation. As such, your blanket statements about people who can't find a job are simply false.
I gave a specific example that demonstrated empirically (a concrete example of) my point. To reiterate (repeat), highly educated people are unable to obtain labor jobs due to their credentials, because companies like Safeway, Wholes Foods, Walmart, etc fear these employees will not stay long enough to recoup any investment in training.
The fact that you persist in clinging on to your beliefs and cant say simply "You are right, and I was wrong. Good point, I should not have made a blanket statement" indicates to me that you are willfully ignorant (intentionally making an effort to not understand).
I look forward to your reply.
Here are the specific answers to your questions:
1) I am an experimental physicist and my wife is a biologist.
2) At research universities (Harvard, Stanford, etc), Professors hired based on research. Typically they are pioneers in their field and have numerous high profile publications.
3) My position is based on merit. As I said, I received numerous awards based on my academic and research performance.
4 & 5) non sequiturs (off topic).
6) You advice is to LIE! What is she supposed to say she has done for employment in the last 6 years? Are you kidding me?
>> ^ptrcklgrs:
1) My first question is what is your PHD in.
2) College sadly has gotten to be a for profit education system.
3) IV league schools probably only 10% of the people who go there, got in on merit.
4) I had a teacher in college who made us Buy his book... I had great teachers and I had shitty teachers.
5) I just want to be able to get rid of the shitty teachers to bring in more great teachers.
6) I undestand your issue with being over qualified and it sucks. If I were you or your wife, I would leave it off my resume and lie. If your dealing with Safeway or a big company, no one is getting hurt. I wouldn't do that to a Mom and Pop Shop.

"You want a better paying job. What you think someone is going to hand it to you, what you don't think you have to fight for it. You know what the difference between "99%" and successful people. Successful people got a job working at McDonalds. While working there they went looking for a higher paying job, a step up. Then while they found that step up job, they went looking for another step up job. They learned a skill or a trade which means $$, They didn't sit on there ass waiting for someone to hand them a higher paying job. You think I never ate a $0.50 raman for lunch and dinner for a week. Oatmeal for breakfast. Screw you, and your self entitled bull shit."

>> ^ptrcklgrs:

Sorry but I don't think I missed your point....
>> ^MycroftHomlz:
Not everyone who is having trouble finding a job is undereducated, not willing to explore labor jobs, educated in something that is not useful, or self-entitled...
>> ^ptrcklgrs:
... I would leave it off my resume and lie. If your dealing with Safeway or a big company, no one is getting hurt...

So yeah. You are wrong.

TOTALLY!!! A bird shit on my Maserati this morning while I was having my breakfast at a cafe in La Jolla. I mean, really? I don't have time for this, I've got poor people to steal from...

I am going to *promote this again just because I think it is a good conversation.

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As Bugs bunny would say, "What a maroon!"

>> ^ptrcklgrs:

1) First they claim to represent the 99%, bull shit. Tea Party admittedly Represented themselves and their preferences. They never claimed to speak for anyone but themselves.
2) The cops never arrested a single tea party protestor. Special cleaning crews are being brought in to clean up after the trash messes left all over by the "99%" costing the city $$$. Tea party cleaned up after themselves.
You want a better paying job. What you think someone is going to hand it to you, what you don't think you have to fight for it.
You know what the difference between "99%" and successful people. Successful people got a job working at McDonalds. While working there they went looking for a higher paying job, a step up. Then while they found that step up job, they went looking for another step up job. They learned a skill or a trade which means $$, They didn't sit on there ass waiting for someone to hand them a higher paying job.
You think I never ate a $0.50 raman for lunch and dinner for a week. Oatmeal for breakfast. Screw you, and your self entitled bull shit.
Obama is the one bailing everybody out. Obama is the one that got sponsored by BP and did nothing during the oil spill but turn people trying to help away. Obama ran up a larger debt then Bush did. Not the fucking republican party.
Then your pissed that the jobs bill didn't pass... seriously. So now you want the government to be responsible for jobs... and yet your complaining that they are to involved in business and corporations.
You are like children asking there parents for money and living under their roof while getting pissed that you have to follow there rules.

Good call. This *quality thread is on point and quite witty to boot. >> ^MycroftHomlz:

I am going to promote this again just because I think it is a good conversation.

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"1) How is picketing Wall Street helping Jobs."

The point is there are a small group of people that have a large amount of welth and are using that wealth to control the political and legal system and have basicly hijacked the democracy. That is what the 99% ers are protesting.

until You remove control from people who have a compleat conflict of interest then you cannot address the core aspect of job creation.
If these protests have the desired effect , the knock on result would be that government and industry can rationally approach things in a way that might work and would in the end result in a better quality of life for more people and most likely more jobs.

"2) They keep blaming Fox News / Republicans. But a republican isn't president, "

They blame fox news because it is a media outlet owned by the small % of super rich people and a part of there method of using wealth to control the nation. fox news is also entirely disingenuous and presents its self as a news station and fair and balanced when in fact it solely exists to push the agenda of the very rich in society.

They blame republicans more so than democrats because republican policy benefits the super rich more so than the democrats policy , having said that I think most people don't even see this as a republican or democrats issue the fact is both governments are largely as bad as each other. Fact is if you have enough money you can simply lobby things into existence evan if they are a detriment to the society at large.

"3) I can't get behind these people because they have no Game Plan"

there game plan and what they want is ridiculously clear and simple they want wealth to be more evenly spread and for policy and laws to be made based on what is good for the majority of people in the country not a select few that happen to be super wealthy.

The reason why they are having to protest and kick up a fuss how they are is because democracy is so fundimentaly broken and tilted towards wealth deciding things that unless you are rich or in a high up cooperate position you cannot have any influence to gain traction.







>> ^ptrcklgrs:

Sorry but I don't think I missed your point. Also I am not playing ignorant. I didn't think those points needed recognition.
I recognize unemployment is at an all time high.
I recognize a large percentage of those are college graduates.
I believe everything you said. I pretty much agreed with your idea, sorry if I'm misinterpreting is that, jobs are hard to get these days even for college students and there is a definite issue with over qualifications.
I don't understand what I said that would induce a statement from you encouraging a response from me in the terms "You are right, and I was wrong". I re-read what I wrote and don't think that there was any blanket statement made, let alone one that has an extreme contradiction to what you said. So sorry if I'm a little lost. If you could quote the statement I made that you clearly disagree with I would be happy to discuss.
One of my points I feel like you may of missed, is that College is graduating more people in fields then there are jobs for that field. Which isn't helpful because people end up "throwing away" their degrees and getting jobs in other fields and now have to pay off student loans making it hard to get by.
I do recognize the issue with Entry Level Jobs. In programming I see job offerings all the time that say "Entry Level Position" then on it "2-4 years experience" I already have a job so I every time I see that I've started e-mailing those companies "2-4 Years expierience" !== "Entry Level" (!== means not equal, nerd joke).
Also their is a difference between Lying and omission from a Resume. I guess I shouldn't of used "Lie". My bad. Their is nothing wrong with not putting in PHD and rather just putting in BA. You don't have to put everything on a resume, I mean I've seen some with people with Dog Watching on their resume. A lot of job consultants will tell you not to make one generic and use it for everyone. Tweak it to what's important to the company you are applying for. Not lying.
My issue with this whole "99%":
1) How is picketing Wall Street helping Jobs. These people don't have a game plan, they are just screaming. Wall Street guys are huge douche bags, but at the same time I still have money in the market and my portfolio is still doing well. It's growth has definitely slowed over the past few years but it is still more then 3 years ago. Mainly I diversified. All these people who lost all their money had all their eggs in one basket. Which there is a saying for that.
2) They keep blaming Fox News / Republicans. But a republican isn't president, and for a period Democrats held House and Senate and President. During these times They still blamed Fox News / Republicans for everything. Dems had all the power at a time and didn't do shit with it. I just want to know when they are going to start holding Obama accountable. Obama is a terrible president. The problem is when I say that people think I'm defending Bush or some crap. Fuck Bush. Fuck Obama. Give me another Option. I though Clinton did a fine job. So did Bush Sr.
3) I can't get behind these people because they have no Game Plan. If they had Action Items Examples "Fire This Person", "Pass This Bill", "something" I could possibly get behind their ideas and message. But they don't so I don't even know what they want. They just go "I don't like the economy and the job situation". Nobody does. Hell even Rich do, the higher employment is, the more money Ford, Chevy, Coca Cola, other big companies make. So they are not against jobs.
To quote Lewis Black "Republicans have Bad Ideas, Democrats have No Ideas".
>> ^MycroftHomlz:
I am slightly frustrated (annoyed) that you missed my point, given that I think I made it very clear.
Not everyone who is having trouble finding a job is undereducated, not willing to explore labor jobs, educated in something that is not useful, or self-entitled.
In fact, quite the opposite. Most people I know who are having trouble finding work are unemployed because they lack industry experience, which they can't get because no one is hiring entry level positions. Thus, your reductive and simplistic rant is an naive interpretation of the current economic situation. As such, your blanket statements about people who can't find a job are simply false.
I gave a specific example that demonstrated empirically (a concrete example of) my point. To reiterate (repeat), highly educated people are unable to obtain labor jobs due to their credentials, because companies like Safeway, Wholes Foods, Walmart, etc fear these employees will not stay long enough to recoup any investment in training.
The fact that you persist in clinging on to your beliefs and cant say simply "You are right, and I was wrong. Good point, I should not have made a blanket statement" indicates to me that you are willfully ignorant (intentionally making an effort to not understand).
I look forward to your reply.
Here are the specific answers to your questions:
1) I am an experimental physicist and my wife is a biologist.
2) At research universities (Harvard, Stanford, etc), Professors hired based on research. Typically they are pioneers in their field and have numerous high profile publications.
3) My position is based on merit. As I said, I received numerous awards based on my academic and research performance.
4 & 5) non sequiturs (off topic).
6) You advice is to LIE! What is she supposed to say she has done for employment in the last 6 years? Are you kidding me?
>> ^ptrcklgrs:
1) My first question is what is your PHD in.
2) College sadly has gotten to be a for profit education system.
3) IV league schools probably only 10% of the people who go there, got in on merit.
4) I had a teacher in college who made us Buy his book... I had great teachers and I had shitty teachers.
5) I just want to be able to get rid of the shitty teachers to bring in more great teachers.
6) I undestand your issue with being over qualified and it sucks. If I were you or your wife, I would leave it off my resume and lie. If your dealing with Safeway or a big company, no one is getting hurt. I wouldn't do that to a Mom and Pop Shop.

Wow Westy. Well said.

>> ^Ryjkyj:

Wow Westy. Well said.


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totally spot-on Westy