In this short video Vilayanur Ramachandran describes experiments with split brain patients, people who have had their corpus callosum cut. It is very interesting when he describes what happens when the question of belief in God is posed.
shinyblurrysays...

You can believe in God and still go to hell. You have to be saved. Often people are double minded about God and believe in Him one day and deny Him the next, so this isn't surprising. It's not an interesting theological question because the test isn't whether you believe in God, it is whether you are born again.

newtboysays...

THE test? Hardly. That's not even the only test for your small sect.
If you've been saved, "born again" then sin again, or question dogma or your own belief, you have to do it all over again....according to your particular group's belief...right? It's not a one and done thing, it's a constant subjugation and supplication, incessant adoration by the congregation, suffering degradation without protestation.

What happens when one side has been saved and doesn't change but the other side no longer believes after surgery?

shinyblurrysaid:

You can believe in God and still go to hell. You have to be saved. Often people are double minded about God and believe in Him one day and deny Him the next, so this isn't surprising. It's not an interesting theological question because the test isn't whether you believe in God, it is whether you are born again.

shinyblurrysays...

John 3:3

Jesus answered and said to him, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God

Since the time of Christ these things have been well understood. Doctrinally what I am saying has always been orthodox Christianity, not part of the interpretation of a particular sect or denomination.


The one and done theology you're talking about is true in this sense; the true believers will make it whereas the false converts will not. The false converts will always fall away and the true converts will always make it. That's the proof of who is true and who is false. This is why Jesus said let the wheat and tares grow together.

newtboysaid:

THE test? Hardly. That's not even the only test for your small sect.
If you've been saved, "born again" then sin again, or question dogma or your own belief, you have to do it all over again....according to your particular group's belief...right? It's not a one and done thing, it's a constant subjugation and supplication, incessant adoration by the congregation, suffering degradation without protestation.

What happens when one side has been saved and doesn't change but the other side no longer believes after surgery?

BSRsays...

The kingdom of God?

"You're soaking in it." -Madge

shinyblurrysaid:

John 3:3

Jesus answered and said to him, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God

BSRsays...

When you realize you have been sent to hell because you have loved and been loved, the only way to heaven is to continue to love with the knowledge that you will be sending the people you love to hell also. You must go through hell to get to heaven. You are born again when you realize you've been in heaven all along and never realized it.

"So, so you think you can tell
Heaven from Hell,
Blue skies from pain.
Can you tell a green field
From a cold steel rail?
A smile from a veil?
Do you think you can tell?" -Wish you were here. Pink Floyd

You are God. You are Satan. Enjoy the dance.

newtboysaid:

THE test? Hardly. That's not even the only test for your small sect.
If you've been saved, "born again" then sin again, or question dogma or your own belief, you have to do it all over again....according to your particular group's belief...right? It's not a one and done thing, it's a constant subjugation and supplication, incessant adoration by the congregation, suffering degradation without protestation.

What happens when one side has been saved and doesn't change but the other side no longer believes after surgery?

newtboysays...

So, we should treat all pious people as failed born agains because chances are 99.9999999 (repeating)% that's what they are. Humans are not capable of purely proper and pious behavior at all times, and strictly speaking even a moment's lapse in belief or a disparaging thought dams one to hell.

Also, you do understand that, in practice, it's used to excuse the inexcusable by allowing people to believe they can do anything they like as long as they let Jesus in their heart before the last moment of life and are good afterwards. That's why this theology is evil, it excuses the most vile and evil actions and requires nothing in the way of restitution or contrition. That is evil, not good.

shinyblurrysaid:

John 3:3

Jesus answered and said to him, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God

Since the time of Christ these things have been well understood. Doctrinally what I am saying has always been orthodox Christianity, not part of the interpretation of a particular sect or denomination.


The one and done theology you're talking about is true in this sense; the true believers will make it whereas the false converts will not. The false converts will always fall away and the true converts will always make it. That's the proof of who is true and who is false. This is why Jesus said let the wheat and tares grow together.

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