Jordan Peterson talks about the problem with undifferentiated empathy. He discusses the idea that we all vote based upon our innate personality traits (more than we think), genetic aspects of politically correct people, and why we shouldn't help people with things they can do for themselves.

This clip is from Professor Peterson's: "Strategy (1): 12 principles for a 21st century conservatism"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nyw4r...
eric3579says...

This may be true sometimes but peoples lack of empathy (which is growing in the US imo) is a FAR greater problem for us than the few places empathy and pc culture has run amuck. Also this is such a huge topic and very nuanced. Most all things in life turned up to 11 become problematic. I surely don't think empathy is anywhere near that point overall. Matter of fact i see countries with more empathetic polices towards it's people have happier healthier better lives than us here in the good ol USA. Im probably rambling now. Too big a subject for a comment thread. Makes my head race out of control.

Harzzachsays...

Jordan Peterson is a good salesman. His products are well known, simple and basic educational rules. Teach the child to help itself, to find own solutions and support it, when it makes mistakes along the way. Help the child to grow up and help it learn from experiences. And he sells them as GROUNDBREAKING NEW DISCOVERIES!

And then comes some right-wing conservative and takes this "product" to rationalize his own lack of empathy and his hatred of whiny liberuls.

BSRsays...

Neil deGrasse Tyson said it best when he said let your kids bang on the pots and pans and let them jump in the puddles.

Harzzachsaid:

Jordan Peterson is a good salesman. His products are well known, simple and basic educational rules. Teach the child to help itself, to find own solutions and support it, when it makes mistakes along the way. Help the child to grow up and help it learn from experiences. And he sells them as GROUNDBREAKING NEW DISCOVERIES!

And then comes some right-wing conservative and takes this "product" to rationalize his own lack of empathy and his hatred of whiny liberuls.

glyphssays...

A clearly sensationalist title that I think shows this guy is just trying to make a name for himself rather than add to the conversation of "empathy is good, we need more of it, here is how we could do that." Provocateur, etc.

Seriously, "the problem with too much empathy", it's like, what's the opposite of a phrase like this? "The solution for reducing empathising so that its effect is not negative to me"? Empathising is an act of self-expressive courage man! You do it because feelings are a fundamental part of the human experience and how we RELATE to EACH OTHER. And you can do that TOO MUCH?!?!

I believe empathy is a sense, not a rule dude. Just because other people are starving doesn't mean that because of "the rule of empathy" then I should act. I think empathy is rather a sense where when something happens with someone, I experience, I observe, then I feel, and it is that feeling which is part of both my capacity for empathy, and my actual empathy.

PS - I don't look at or try to look the world objectively, DON'T PUT WORDS IN MY MOUTH! Everything is subjective! The only truth is what we share together. I do not share this dude's opinions about what the word "empathy" means.

GOSHDARNIT this guy describes how people interpret the world through their personalities and then immediately goes on to clarify nothing about what he said, he says people need to talk about what they each believe because people have different perspectives, BUT then he immediately says "I'm not saying that facts don't exist or that they're not relativistic or anything like that" THEN WELL WHAT ARE YOU SAYING?!?!?! DO YOU BELIEVE ANYTHING?!?!? DO PEOPLE HAVE TO TALK OR NOT TO MAKE SENSE OF THINGS!?!??! AAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I want to believe he's trying to be helpful to humanity somehow but I don't see it.

Fairbssays...

he's very good at making his arguments sound plausible, but I don't think we should let someone starve to death so that they can learn a lesson; there's also bottoms that you can't climb back out of... severe mental health issues, can't get a job when you're homeless because you can't present yourself well, can't get a job because you have a record

enochsays...

@Fairbs
i agree with everything you just said,but i didn't see him make that argument.

how i hear him is that while empathy and compassion have their place,you shouldn't engage in radical empathy where it blocks out any sense of rational reason.

to a normal person who watches a hawk swoop down and brutalize a baby rabbit,we may respond with revulsion and even pity for the baby rabbit but we certainly do not view the hawk as "evil".

a person with radical empathy views all dynamics in a power structure where everyone on the bottom is the victim and everyone on top is the victimizer.

and there is danger in that because most dynamics are far more complicated and nuanced.

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