White Party - A Lesson in Cultural Appropriation

"WATCH a group of POCs (and their one white friend) throw a 'White Party' to demonstrate how crappy cultural appropriation is.
...
Cultural appropriation and racism sucks, so before you throw a party that throws us all under the bus, stop and think how it will make other people feel. This is the ending 'Dear White People' should have had. It should also be noted that none of the White people in the beginning wanted to wear that stereotypical shit, because they're not racist garbage cans..."
newtboysays...

So wait...am I racist because I had a Hawaii themed party last year? Am I sexist because I and other men there wore flower pattern skirts and coconut bras? We played native Hawaiian music, but no one tried to Hula...I was afraid we'd get it wrong and anger the volcano.
I also threw a 'white trash' party last year, and built an outhouse and still in my front yard for it. Am I a self hating honkey?

The 'white twitter' thing is weird, because there IS a 'black twitter', isn't there? I hear it reported about all the time.

JustSayingsays...

OK, here's a thing: colored people suck at racism.
There, I said it. I'm not even trolling here. Honestly, as wrong as racism is, white people are just better at it. Just take racial slurs, there are no good ones for white people. Cracker? Seriously? They're fucking delicious. Put cream cheese on me and I get even better.
Wanna be specific and call me a Kraut. I love Sauerkraut.
I'm a fat guy, you can not offend me by giving me food related names. Try harder next time. Actually, can anyone do better than this?
Even the argument about theme parties is crap, we're better at this than colored people are. The RNC, Nuremberg Rallies or even random Ku Klux Klan gatherings are far more offensive than anything black people could do. We, white people, out-racist (yes, that's a word now) everybody else without even trying. If there's one thing where white people are far more superiour than anybody else, it's having a feeling of superiority.
I'm not a racist, I believe we're all equally cruel, stupid and worthless. Humans aren't worth the flesh they're printed on. However, from time to time, you'll find out that there are some things a certain group of people is statistically better than others. Sometimes it's in the genes, sometimes it's in the culture but one thing I'm sure of, the actual worth of a human being is decided by its actions.
The truly interesting question is, why are white people so willing and able to take action against reason and empathy and favour fear and ignorance? The actual issue here is not the racism itself, it's the question why it comes so easily and thoughtlessly. Without effort.

newtboysays...

There is "white trash". When I grew up in Texas, that was an insult considered more derogatory than most racial slurs (by white people, mostly overreacting about being called anything derogatory). I agree, not quite the stinging slur other 'races' contend with, but worse than "cracker" (which, from what I've been told, stems from white cowboys typically cracking whips, so I'm not sure how it's supposed to be derogatory, only that it is intended that way).
There's also 'peckerwood'....but I never could figure out what that's supposed to mean at all, just that it's intended to be insulting.

I love your point, that the only way 'whites' are really superior is in our ability to feel superior to others for no reason. Bravo, sir.

Now, suspending reason in favor of fear and ignorance is not just a white thing, it's a human thing, IMO. We whites may be somewhat more practiced at it, though, at least recently.

JustSayingsays...

You know what? Indiana Jones is a white man cracking his whip.
He's awesome. I wanna be that guy.
Go ahead, call me 'cracker'!

'Peckerwood'? That's like 'Hardonrockhard'. That's totally me.

'White trash'? That's the white people less awesome than me, Tasty-Jones Rockcock. I take them out and put them in tiny plastic bags.

Fairbssays...

I read that poor white trash was a term used by slaves in reference to I believe it was white sharecroppers. Basically non well to do whites that didn't own plantations.

Throwing another point out there... I believe everyone's a racist along a continuum from full on to not much at all. I grew up in a very racist part of the U.S. How could I not be at least a little racist?

newtboysaid:

There is "white trash". When I grew up in Texas, that was an insult considered more derogatory than most racial slurs (by white people, mostly overreacting about being called anything derogatory).

Now, suspending reason in favor of fear and ignorance is not just a white thing, it's a human thing, IMO. We whites may be somewhat more practiced at it, though, at least recently.

HenningKOsays...

These put-yourself-in-their-shoes videos never quite work because the reverse-racism just rolls off our privileged backs. How would I feel about a white party where people of color purposely danced badly to Lawrence Welk or some shit? Meh. Knock yourself out!

JustSayingsays...

I would probably have a great time and think everybody danced really well.

HenningKOsaid:

These put-yourself-in-their-shoes videos never quite work because the reverse-racism just rolls off our privileged backs. How would I feel about a white party where people of color purposely danced badly to Lawrence Welk or some shit? Meh. Knock yourself out!

EMPIREsays...

She keeps asking how I would feel, as a white person... Quite honestly, I wouldn't give a flying fuck, because I'm not part of the "sensitive precious flower"/P.C. Police club. Dressing up as a particular group or race or nationality is only seen as offensive in countries such as the US (and others of course) where this sense of professional-victimhood/offended is becoming way too common.

Stop projecting malfeasance onto the actions of others.

Also... gentrification is a socio-economic problem, not a racial one. Poor white families are also affected by it. The emphasis is on POOR, not white or black or whatever.

ulysses1904says...

Call me old school but the material is always so weak in most of these socio-ethnic commentary videos, for lack of a better term. They get an HD camera and some troupe and it all looks slick but rarely does anyone have a talent for writing something better than a college freshman could have produced. It usually ends up being a premise in search of a writer.

GenjiKilpatricksays...

Holy FUCK this comment is ridiculously racist.
You should understand that, right?

In a Rational world, nowhere on the face of the planet..

would anyone contradict themselves in the same sentence, message, or idea..

..then immediately assert that they're "totally-not-that-thing"..

while continuing to do or be that very thing that "they're-totally-not"..


That angsty "ALL humans are scumbags" & flowery bit at the end DOES NOT magically make you not "impossibly-not-that-at-all-because-i-don't-FEEL-i'm-that-way" because still..

You are effectively gloating about your white privilege, then sayin'
"let's not make it about race or anything tho".


And all rest of you upvoters..

should feel like thickheaded, numbskulls for endorsing and/or essentially gloating & chuckling along with.

Seriously, re-read this quote here..

If you heard a coworker speaking like this.. would you not be uncomfortable? No?

JustSayingsaid:

There, I said it. I'm not even trolling here.

Honestly, ..white people are just better at [racism].

The RNC, Nuremberg Rallies or even random Ku Klux Klan gatherings are far more offensive than anything black people could do.

If there's one thing where white people are far more superiour [sic] than anybody else, it's having a feeling of superiority.

I'm not a racist,

However, ..there are some things a certain group of people is statistically better than others.
Sometimes it's in the genes, sometimes it's in the culture ..

GenjiKilpatricksays...

But seriously, @JustSaying

If that's how you feel, all you needed to express was that idea in the very last paragraph.

That's an insightful and helpful topic of discussion. Nice, one.

The rest - unfortunately- was you explicitly saying..

"While White Shame stretches as far from.. mundane everyday political buffoonery.. to harrowing tales of holocausts & lynchings..

..point-blank, there is literally NOTHING you colored folks could say to hurt my feelings/make me feel any true embarrassment, outrage or remorse..

(including the most terrible heinous things my heritage & daily life present)

..because at the end of the day, this world was LITERALLY made for me

(besides. i'm not even culpable for any of that abhorrent stuff
that "happened such a long time ago".

So what's wrong/why shouldn't I still benefit from it today also)

so.. hah. whatevs"

A point folks like @lantern53 ACTIVELY REFUSE to admit is THE #1 problem in American race-relations.

GenjiKilpatricksays...

So yeah, thanks for asking "why are white people seemingly MORE willing to be terrible shits to 'others'?"

[Just gonna leave this here: Research has shown that the brain has a very strong racial bias in response to seeing others in pain or suffering.

[Sidenote, this common "there is no white privilege, cause I don't FEEL like there's white privilege" problem is why i tagged @newtboy in a past tirade @lantern53]

But fer fuck sake white dudes, it's STILL racist or sexist.. even if you mean it ironically or sarcastically

Own that shit.
Without gloating or still somewhat mostly denying it.

Just say "Okay, so i'm gonna be extremely racist for a little bit, but i have an objectively valid point based on facts & data"


Seriously, white people can't comprehend and consistently deny how great they have it.. just for being white..

Yet somehow unintentionally & flagrantly gloat about how simple shit should be/is for the rest of us?!

As my hispanic mother would say "I dun bell'eeb"

GenjiKilpatricksays...

See, another example of some "i-can't-possibly-racial-insensitive-whatsoever-because-THIS-guy-agrees-with-completely-sheltered-rose-tinted-worldview" - *deep breath* - Bullshit!

[phew, these polite euphemisms for "racist" are getting out of hand now]

Unfortunately, the term "culture appropriation" is a misnomer.

The term coined should be Cultural MISappropriation and refers to shit like Blackface.

Something this was trendy, open mockery. Also, fairly lucrative.

This White Party video is a highly significant point of discussion and is important satire for all white folks to think about & discuss because..

THIS IS EXACTLY HOW MOST COLORED PEOPLE FEEL.
[I would know, cause this is exactly how i feel]

So yeah..

Tactless, suggestively snarky comments, with a Token to parrot and espouse believes that confirm your bias.. -_-

Is simply "mild" racism in action.
It's Denialism. It's Victim-blaming.

"Stop complaining. We're all equal see. Can't we all just learn spanish & twerk our butts, as one."

And let Americans sweep all that other extremely racist shit under the rug for another 150 years?!

Fuck no.

ChaosEnginesaid:

A much better video on the same topic.

GenjiKilpatricksays...

Aw really, Empire?

You're the factual gamer. ..but apparently that's where the facts end.

You didn't look up and facts about poverty disproportionally affects black americans?

Besides, you're Portuguese. No?

I wouldn't consider that "white" exactly.

European, sure.
White.. not so much.

I feel like you'd be treated like an " exotic foreigner" in polite white america.

You'd definitely be considered Latino or "Mexican" in more ignorant places here.

Tho if you're some how totally WASPy looking, I could understand why you're on the denialism boat.

EMPIREsaid:

She keeps asking how I would feel, as a white person... Quite honestly, I wouldn't give a flying fuck, because I'm not part of the "sensitive precious flower"/P.C. Police club. Dressing up as a particular group or race or nationality is only seen as offensive in countries such as the US (and others of course) where this sense of professional-victimhood/offended is becoming way too common.

Stop projecting malfeasance onto the actions of others.

Also... gentrification is a socio-economic problem, not a racial one. Poor white families are also affected by it. The emphasis is on POOR, not white or black or whatever.

ChaosEnginesays...

And the point goes sailing over your head....

Yes, there is racism. Yes, there is white privilege, yes, there can be cultural misappropriation.

This video, much like your comment, adds nothing to the discussion.

No one (apart from Bob or lantern) is suggesting we ignore history. If you watched my video you would see that.

You can enjoy stuff from other cultures without appropriating it, and you don't have an indefinite claim to anything simply because it originated in your culture.

GenjiKilpatricksaid:

See, another example of some "i-can't-possibly-racial-insensitive-whatsoever-because-THIS-guy-agrees-with-completely-sheltered-rose-tinted-worldview" - *deep breath* - Bullshit!

[phew, these polite euphemisms for "racist" are getting out of hand now]

Unfortunately, the term "culture appropriation" is a misnomer.

The term coined should be Cultural MISappropriation and refers to shit like Blackface.

Something this was trendy, open mockery. Also, fairly lucrative.

This White Party video is a highly significant point of discussion and is important satire for all white folks to think about & discuss because..

THIS IS EXACTLY HOW MOST COLORED PEOPLE FEEL.
[I would know, cause this is exactly how i feel]

So yeah..

Tactless, suggestively snarky comments, with a Token to parrot and espouse believes that confirm your bias.. -_-

Is simply "mild" racism in action.
It's Denialism. It's Victim-blaming.

"Stop complaining. We're all equal see. Can't we all just learn spanish & twerk our butts, as one."

And let Americans sweep all that other extremely racist shit under the rug for another 150 years?!

Fuck no.

EMPIREsays...

I never said poverty doesn't disproportionately affect black americans. I KNOW it does. And so does harsher prison sentences.
There's, without a doubt, historical baggage that still affects black americans to this day (not to mention outright racism on a daily basis).

What I said is, gentrification is not a race issue directly, but a socio-economic issue. They are not being pushed out because they are black. They are being pushed out because they are poor. There's a big difference. Gentrification still happens in communities that are poor, even if there isn't a single black person (or any other minority) in it.

Of course you could then argue that they are poor BECAUSE they are black, which is true, but they are not being specifically targeted in gentrification for being black. If they were black and had money they probably wouldn't feel the need or want to move away. Unless living in the middle of white people (who are still the majority, so it's statistically probable to have a bigger percentage of them around) is now just by itself a horrible thing (by itself! I'm not saying there couldn't be issues from being a minority living in the middle of the majority).

Also it really doesn't matter what your opinion (or any other american) of how white the average portuguese person is. In my neck of the woods I'm pretty white, and that's what counts.

I'm fully aware of the usual "Isn't Portugal in Spain?" crap

edit: Also... REALLY not cool calling me out on the Factual Gamer thing, as it has absolutely zero to do with this issue.

GenjiKilpatricksaid:

Aw really, Empire?

You're the factual gamer. ..but apparently that's where the facts end.

You didn't look up and facts about poverty disproportionally affects black americans?

Besides, you're Portuguese. No?

I wouldn't consider that "white" exactly.

European, sure.
White.. not so much.

I feel like you'd be treated like an " exotic foreigner" in polite white america.

You'd definitely be considered Latino or "Mexican" in more ignorant places here.

Tho if you're some how totally WASPy looking, I could understand why you're on the denialism boat.

ChaosEnginejokingly says...

Also @GenjiKilpatrick forgot to say earlier..

If you think POC have a monopoly on being oppressed, read a history book or two and then try being Irish for a while. Aside from the Jews, we're the OG oppressed people. The Jews just didn't turn to drink, music and poetry quite like we did.

GenjiKilpatricksays...

http://mic.com/articles/112240/12-incidents-that-prove-fraternity-and-sorority-racism-isn-t-just-an-oklahoma-problem

It's like you folks can't even fathom that actual racism looks like.

Stop denying that problems exist, it's disparaging of all victims everywhere of those problems.

ChaosEnginesaid:

Also @GenjiKilpatrick forgot to say earlier..

If you think POC have a monopoly on being oppressed, read a history book or two and then try being Irish for a while. Aside from the Jews, we're the OG oppressed people. The Jews just didn't turn to drink, music and poetry quite like we did.

GenjiKilpatrickjokingly says...

Also

Fuck the Irish and Jews, they don't get murdered at rate of 1 every 28 hours.

If i were to break all four of your limbs, then tell you:
"Stop crying, some people have it much worse you know."

You would look at me EVEN CRAZIER and probably wonder:

"WTF does that have to do with me?!
I'm suffering MAJORLY right now, right here! Help me!
Oh god please, help me."

But when you or any other "mildly racist" white asshole say it..
It's like some Zen Buddha shit.

"we all suffer. we all are one."

Get the FUCK outta here with that bullshit!

Go read my fuckin' sift talk already.
Then come back and tell me if you'd ever say to a women:

"Well, you know. LOTS of women get Raped, hun. Even men too. They don't seem to complain about it a lot."

No.. you won't.. crazy assholes.

GenjiKilpatricksays...

Look, @EMPIRE all I'm saying is..

I appreciate your work there, but when it comes to these topics.. you're off the mark.

In America, if you're poor.. you're likely black.
You can't separate the two.

So if you discuss one, you're being disingenuous to leave out the other.

As a white, european man.. You're naive of this, clearly.

You're too gullible if you going to suggest that "gentrification isn't about race".

It's called "white-flight" for a reason.
My highschool girlfriend's father moved his family to the country to avoid black people (me).

So just like you say not American should comment on the "whiteness" of Portugal.

Euro-zoners shouldn't comment on whether is divided by "class" rather than race.

JustSayingsays...

Ok, first things first. If you quote me and you decide to mark pieces of what I wrote somehow, don't do it out of fucking context. The part you turned into bold lettering is only a part of a sentence and does not communicatre the actual meaning of what I wrote at all.
I know you're not a troll but what you did there is suspiciously close to trolling. I know you're better than this. However, that is not ok. I do take issue with that especially because I know you and I are not on opposing teams here. You're not one the racist trolls here, neither am I, you know who I mean without using names.

Second, read my statement carefully. It's pretty much akin to the concept of the self-fullfilling prophecy. The statement I made validifies itself be me stating it.
Here's what I said phrased differently:
White people are better at being racist than everybody else because we don't suffer its consequences. White privilege, lack of empathy and inability to consider another point of view on the issue allows us to disregard the impact of it. That means we can be more clueless and uncaring in our behaviour as we don't feel the historical gravity, more or less immediate consequences or emotional toll of it as long as we can surpress whatever empathy for other humans we have.
Let me re-quote myself without your bullshit bold lettering:
'If there's one thing where white people are far more superiour than anybody else, it's having a feeling of superiority.'
Read that again!
And again!
You call that gloating? Really? A guy saying 'look at me, I'm best at being a shitty person!' is gloating in your opinion?
By stating this, I prove myself to be true, I validify my point by mentioning it. My point is not a good thing. Being arrogant is not a good thing.

Third, I get you are angry. You're a black guy living in the US, right? You should be pissed. There is this stereotype of the 'angry black man'. I never thought about it until Obama became President and political realities cause him to be wary of it.
If you are not white and a US citizen you have every right in the world to be pissed. Racism exists everywhere but one country where it still remains a huge, huge, superfuckinghuge problem is yours.
Pretty much everything encompassing domestic issues in the US has a racial component. My own country has serious problems with racism. Go, ask as german dude with turkish roots about his expirience. Every 'Achmed' has a story about it. Racism is like herpes, even if you don't have it, you're always at risk to be affected anyways.
Don't be mad at me, you're barking up the wrong tree . I may be an insesitive asshole and I won't deny the benefits of being white myself but I'm simply not your problem. People who want to keep you down because they don't like your pigmentation are.

GenjiKilpatricksaid:

Holy FUCK this comment is ridiculously racist.
You should understand that, right?

In a Rational world, nowhere on the face of the planet..

would anyone contradict themselves in the same sentence, message, or idea..

..then immediately assert that they're "totally-not-that-thing"..

while continuing to do or be that very thing that "they're-totally-not"..


That angsty "ALL humans are scumbags" & flowery bit at the end DOES NOT magically make you not "impossibly-not-that-at-all-because-i-don't-FEEL-i'm-that-way" because still..

You are effectively gloating about your white privilege, then sayin'
"let's not make it about race or anything tho".


And all rest of you upvoters..

should feel like thickheaded, numbskulls for endorsing and/or essentially gloating & chuckling along with.

Seriously, re-read this quote here..

If you heard a coworker speaking like this.. would you not be uncomfortable? No?

JustSayingsays...

I'll quote you again for emphasis:
'Fuck the Irish and Jews, they don't get murdered at rate of 1 every 28 hours.'

Dude, fuck you for that statement. I'm german, most of my life I've been told to feel sorry for the fucking holocaust. It ain't my fault.
I take issue with parts of the jewish community that keeps complaining about their history and ignoring all the other, smaller holocausts, the ethnic cleansings and whatever else you want to call the genocides happening after WW2 but I will not accept you taking a dump on it.
You have it bad, no doubt, and black people in the US always had to endure unimaginable suffering. I have absolutely no clue how horrible the shit you and your ancestors had to go through is.
But...
My great-grandfather and his peers build fucking corpse factories. My ancestors shipped people in train cars to a place to literally destroy them, to murder them. They called it 'Endloesung'.
My ancestors industrialised genocide. The Shoah claimed at least 6 million lives.
As justified your rage and your hurt is, as much unimaginable suffering your ancestors and those like them had to endure, you don't get to tell those that survived and their families it to fuck themselves.
I wouldn't dare to do that to you or your ancestors.

There's a lot of terrible shit going on around the world and it's part of why I'm not fond of my own species. We both wish the world would be different and I like to think I understand, or at least have a vague idea, why you're so angry. But how could I? I never suffered that awful shit. I'm sorry but that's just what I was born into. Nobody ever asked me what I thought about it.
However, maybe I'm wrong but telling a group like the jews, a group of people whose history of being treated horribly as long or even longer than your own people, to go fuck themselves...
you're just loosing me here. I have no other choice than calling you out on that. You're dead wrong on that. How can you do that? Don't you have any decency, haven't you seen the mountain of corpses?

They murdered them. All of them. Blacks and jews. It doesn't matter. They're all lost. We lost them.

GenjiKilpatricksaid:

Also

Fuck the Irish and Jews, they don't get murdered at rate of 1 every 28 hours.

If i were to break all four of your limbs, then tell you:
"Stop crying, some people have it much worse you know."

You would look at me EVEN CRAZIER and probably wonder:

"WTF does that have to do with me?!
I'm suffering MAJORLY right now, right here! Help me!
Oh god please, help me."

But when you or any other "mildly racist" white asshole say it..
It's like some Zen Buddha shit.

"we all suffer. we all are one."

Get the FUCK outta here with that bullshit!

Go read my fuckin' sift talk already.
Then come back and tell me if you'd ever say to a women:

"Well, you know. LOTS of women get Raped, hun. Even men too. They don't seem to complain about it a lot."

No.. you won't.. crazy assholes.

ChaosEnginesays...

Jesus fucking Christ...

NOONE IS DENYING RACISM EXISTS.

The problem under discussion is CULTURAL APPROPRIATION, which is not actually a racial issue, but a cultural one. Yes, there's a difference, even though they frequently overlap.

Ugh, at this point, it feels you're just wilfully misunderstanding. @JustSaying thinks you're better than that and not a troll. I used to agree with him, but it's getting more difficult.

GenjiKilpatricksaid:

http://mic.com/articles/112240/12-incidents-that-prove-fraternity-and-sorority-racism-isn-t-just-an-oklahoma-problem

It's like you folks can't even fathom that actual racism looks like.

Stop denying that problems exist, it's disparaging of all victims everywhere of those problems.

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