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Gotta love the admission of waiting until the soldier is at his/her weakest, and that is the right time to pounce. Strong, intelligent, capable, educated and self-supported individuals often need no religion. And the parasite churches know it.

The rise of the middle class has meant a decline in church attendance, and this is one of the many ways the parasites are fighting it.

But now the middle class is in decline. Anyone else think religion is playing an active role in this?

Sure, arm a bunch of kids with a modicum of training and high powered weaponry..keep tossing them into combat zones where they are under constant, crippling stress, and they see their buddies killed and peoples heads blown off on a regular basis..keep redeploying them, over and over, with no time to rest until their heads are so messed up that if they don't commit suicide, they never fit into society again..but hey, we can't let any religion in there. That is very disturbing. The peace and strength they get from Jesus in those insane, brutal and emotionally devastating situations is something we as a nation just can't tolerate.

So, I thank you HQPQ for calling attention to this. Until now, we as a nation had honestly collectively abandoned the soldiers and their families. After all, there are only so many news reports you can watch about the war before it all becomes very boring and just yesterdays news. But you've breathed new life into the issue..we can finally care again. Let's all go to that website and make sure none of our treasured sons and daughters will ever hear anything that could bring them relief as we callously send them forth to murder our enemies in the name of freedom and forget that they ever existed.

Do Chaplains carry guns?

Shinyblury - consistently abusing the part of his brain that is used for logic and reasoning.

I didn't know Jesus was a fan of sarcasm, this actually explains a lot. If all those nonsensical passages of scripture were actually misinterpreted sarcasm, the bible would make a lot more sense.

Imagine how many stonings could have been avoided if only other Christians had your sense of sarcasm. Also that passage about plucking out your eye if it offends... that MUST have been sarcasm.

Shinyblurry, thank you so much for opening the word of god to all us heathens, so we can see just how much bullshit it really is.>> ^shinyblurry:

Sure, arm a bunch of kids with a modicum of training and high powered weaponry..keep tossing them into combat zones where they are under constant, crippling stress, and they see their buddies killed and peoples heads blown off on a regular basis..keep redeploying them, over and over, with no time to rest until their heads are so messed up that if they don't commit suicide, they never fit into society again..but hey, we can't let any religion in there. That is very disturbing. The peace and strength they get from Jesus in those insane, brutal and emotionally devastating situations is something we as a nation just can't tolerate.
So, I thank you HQPQ for calling attention to this. Until now, we as a nation had honestly collectively abandoned the soldiers and their families. After all, there are only so many news reports you can watch about the war before it all becomes very boring and just yesterdays news. But you've breathed new life into the issue..we can finally care again. Let's all go to that website and make sure none of our treasured sons and daughters will ever hear anything that could bring them relief as we callously send them forth to murder our enemies in the name of freedom and forget that they ever existed.

oh fuck you @shinyblurry.
your post is pure troll.
there is no defense to "get em while they are weak".
and your sarcasm is just vulgar and disgusting.
or maybe you were intentionally insinuating that jesus wishes for an army to maim,murder and torture.
is that it shiny?
the thought of an army of god killing in the name of jesus make you sweaty and in need of a wee bit of "alone time"?

i bet you didnt serve one day in the military.
people like you never do.
too weak and cowardly to put your own life on the line.

jesus would never approve of such tactics as this,but people like you sure would.
why?
weak and cowardly.

To answer Doogle's question, no, chaplains do not carry guns.

Chaplains exist because most service members are already religious and want to attend worship services and be able to speak about their experiences with a pastor of their faith, even though they may be deployed. So yes, to meet the needs of these servicemen, chaplains exist, but there certainly isn't discrimination. There are Christian chaplains, as well as Muslim, Jewish, and many other religious groups.

>> ^KnivesOut:

I didn't know Jesus was a fan of sarcasm, this actually explains a lot. If all those nonsensical passages of scripture were actually misinterpreted sarcasm, the bible would make a lot more sense.
Imagine how many stonings could have been avoided if only other Christians had your sense of sarcasm. Also that passage about plucking out your eye if it offends... that MUST have been sarcasm.
Shinyblurry, thank you so much for opening the word of god to all us heathens, so we can see just how much bullshit it really is.>> ^shinyblurry:
Sure, arm a bunch of kids with a modicum of training and high powered weaponry..keep tossing them into combat zones where they are under constant, crippling stress, and they see their buddies killed and peoples heads blown off on a regular basis..keep redeploying them, over and over, with no time to rest until their heads are so messed up that if they don't commit suicide, they never fit into society again..but hey, we can't let any religion in there. That is very disturbing. The peace and strength they get from Jesus in those insane, brutal and emotionally devastating situations is something we as a nation just can't tolerate.
So, I thank you HQPQ for calling attention to this. Until now, we as a nation had honestly collectively abandoned the soldiers and their families. After all, there are only so many news reports you can watch about the war before it all becomes very boring and just yesterdays news. But you've breathed new life into the issue..we can finally care again. Let's all go to that website and make sure none of our treasured sons and daughters will ever hear anything that could bring them relief as we callously send them forth to murder our enemies in the name of freedom and forget that they ever existed.




Actually, Jesus did use sarcasm:

Luke 13:31

The same day there came certain of the Pharisees, saying unto him, Get thee out, and depart hence: for Herod will kill thee.

And he said unto them, Go ye, and tell that fox, Behold, I cast out devils, and I do cures to day and to morrow, and the third day I shall be perfected.

Nevertheless I must walk to day, and to morrow, and the day following: for it cannot be that a prophet perish out of Jerusalem.

Jesus was saying that He had to keep working so He could get to Jerusalem, because it wouldn't be fitting for a prophet to die outside of it (since they were prone to murder all of the prophets God sent to them)

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oh fuck you @shinyblurry.
your post is pure troll.
there is no defense to "get em while they are weak".
and your sarcasm is just vulgar and disgusting.
or maybe you were intentionally insinuating that jesus wishes for an army to maim,murder and torture.
is that it shiny?
the thought of an army of god killing in the name of jesus make you sweaty and in need of a wee bit of "alone time"?
i bet you didnt serve one day in the military.
people like you never do.
too weak and cowardly to put your own life on the line.
jesus would never approve of such tactics as this,but people like you sure would.
why?
weak and cowardly.


You missed my point, entirely. HPQP had the audacity to call people using the military to spread the gospel "very disturbing", emphasizing that people should get together and stop this "outrage", as if this is what we should be concerned about regarding our soldiers. It's just another pet issue for atheists, who are actually advocating that we take away what helps soldiers endure and overcome the horrors that they are ordered to carry out on a daily basis. I think that is completely callous, wrong-headed, and in the context of the real problems with the miltary, ludicrously out of touch with reality.

@shinyblurry

i totally get the point.
your comment was a passive aggressive jab at hpqp.

@hpqp has a valid point in regards to taking advantage of a persons weakened emotional and mental state to spread the word.
using this video we are shown an almost glee from the hand-full of evangelicals represented here in exploiting these weakened (and therefore malleable) and i find it disgusting,reprehensible and yes..outrageous.
the glee is something that has me particularly enraged.how DARE they pervert the word in order to promote their own twisted understanding.
they should feel shame,not glee.

now the second part of your comment directed towards me actually has a different tone and one i am not against,and i would assume most are not either.when we consider the unjust wars being fought and the number of innocents being slaughtered,are we really surprised at the rising suicide count in the military?
well..we shouldnt be.
warriors sent to war but stripped of honor can only lead to an ocean of guilt,shame and regret.
so i would agree with you that finding solace in christ in the form of forgiveness and absolution can be a great healing process.

but that is not what this video is about.
this video is about exploiting youth,extremely stressed to the point of breaking at boot camp.not some war ravaged outpost where the men are clinging to sanity.this is exploitation.

maybe you could have focused your comment content on those points on the latter part of your comment towards me.they were valid if not totally relevant to the video.there was no reason to take a swipe at hpqp.

hpqp is an atheist.
he/she makes no bones about that.
just like you are an evangelical and also make no bones.
this is not a bad but rather a very good thing for you both know where you stand.
and just because these military chaplains are evangelical does not mean they represent all evangelicals.
what they are doing in the name of christ is wrong and just because hpqp is an atheist does not mean he/she does not have the right to call them on their bullshit.
and you should not be defending them but rather siding with hpqp.

@shinyblurry (and @Morganth), you might be surprised to hear this from me, but I am all for having chaplains (of all faiths) in the military that soldiers of faith can go to. I don't think they provide the same help professional psychiatrists could but it's probably better than nothing. The way the US abandons its troops to the psychological trauma they face is truly outrageous; so far we seem to be in agreement.

But as @enoch pointed out, the point of this video is to call out the sly, cowardly tactics of evangelical missionaries in the army who take advantage of the traumatizing nature of war to bully people into belief when they are at their most vulnerable. It's a bit like stuffing fearful stories about eternal torture into the heads of small children (oh wait...).

I've never thought about how religion plays a role in the erosion of the middle class. Care to expand? I know this wasn't your comment originally, but I'm assuming you quoted it because you agree with it.>> ^hpqp:

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But now the middle class is in decline. Anyone else think religion is playing an active role in this?

@shinyblurry good job googling "jesus sarcasm" and posting the first result. However, where jesus seems like he's just kind of exasperated and using sarcasm as a way to lighten up the mood of his followers, you just come off as a passive-aggressive prick.

>> ^hpqp:

@shinyblurry (and @Morganth), you might be surprised to hear this from me, but I am all for having chaplains (of all faiths) in the military that soldiers of faith can go to. I don't think they provide the same help professional psychiatrists could but it's probably better than nothing. The way the US abandons its troops to the psychological trauma they face is truly outrageous; so far we seem to be in agreement.
But as @enoch pointed out, the point of this video is to call out the sly, cowardly tactics of evangelical missionaries in the army who take advantage of the traumatizing nature of war to bully people into belief when they are at their most vulnerable. It's a bit like stuffing fearful stories about eternal torture into the heads of small children (oh wait...).


I agree on the point that no one should use psychological manipulation to try to bring someone to Christ. It will only result in a false conversion, save the Lords grace. They believe they are doing a good thing, but the goal isn't numbers. We preach the gospel, but God is the one who changes the heart. Without a change of heart, there is no real change of mind. That said, it is the truth that man is a stubborn creature who, when things are going well, thinks nothing about God. It's only when things take a turn that he realizes his need for God. Man is naturally rebellious against God, and that is just the reality of his nature. Many people need to hit rock bottom before they will change, and God will bring them there if He has to.

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@shinyblurry good job googling "jesus sarcasm" and posting the first result. However, where jesus seems like he's just kind of exasperated and using sarcasm as a way to lighten up the mood of his followers, you just come off as a passive-aggressive prick.


That was off of the top of my head. You're here calling me names when the only reason you're in this thread is to take the opportunity to give me a hard time because I (gasp) made a sarcastic comment. How ridiculous, considering the things people say to me around here. Where is your outrage for that? I made a valid point, but admittedly it was based on a misunderstanding of HPQPs views.

>> ^KnivesOut:

Your entire schtick is to lead us to the lord by your example. Carry on, you're doing a great job.>> ^shinyblurry:
>> ^KnivesOut:
@shinyblurry good job googling "jesus sarcasm" and posting the first result. However, where jesus seems like he's just kind of exasperated and using sarcasm as a way to lighten up the mood of his followers, you just come off as a passive-aggressive prick.

That was off of the top of my head. You're here calling me names when the only reason you're in this thread is to take the opportunity to give me a hard time because I (gasp) made a sarcastic comment. How ridiculous, considering the things people say to me around here. Where is your outrage for that? I made a valid point, but admittedly it was based on a misunderstanding of HPQPs views.



The Lord has some better examples for you. I agree with you, that participating in controversial topics with sarcasm probably isn't going to lead to anything good for the Lord. I was just slightly incensed based on a misunderstanding I had about hpqps viewpoint. I can admit I made a mistake, and you're welcome to continue trying to capitalize on it, but it isn't going to have a very long shelf-life

A decision made in a moment of weakness and desperation has little to no moral meaning whatsoever. It's a grasping at a straw, a grab at whatever idea happens to come to mind or gets put in front of us and latching on to it because we can see no other option. This is not a true choice. Using tactics like this doesn't mean you genuinely recruited someone for Christianity or any other religion, it simply means you happen to be the snake oil salesman most readily on hand when the desperately sick person happened to walk by. Anyone would do, you just got lucky. It means nothing from a moral standpoint whatsoever. In fact it's a moral negative if anything. All this says about your religion is that you are perfectly happy recruiting the weak and broken, not because you want the weak and broken, but because they are easier prey than the strong and upright. This is the EXACT same tactic used by cults everywhere. The only difference is that Christianity happens to have more people.

Tbh, I quoted it for the first half. I have no idea what the person meant about the middle class; perhaps the effect on education?
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I've never thought about how religion plays a role in the erosion of the middle class. Care to expand? I know this wasn't your comment originally, but I'm assuming you quoted it because you agree with it.>> ^hpqp:
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But now the middle class is in decline. Anyone else think religion is playing an active role in this?