To even get into the effed up club of the EU a country has to stop the barbaric practice of the death penalty.

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I think the Onion needs to do a piece about news anchors who flip pages of text during a report but never even glance at them once.

>> ^petpeeved:

I think the Onion needs to do a piece about news anchors who flip pages of text during a report but never even glance at them once.


By all means, let an inconsequential detail let the substance of what was said be rendered meaningless to you.

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>> ^NetRunner:

>> ^petpeeved:
I think the Onion needs to do a piece about news anchors who flip pages of text during a report but never even glance at them once.

By all means, let an inconsequential detail let the substance of what was said be rendered meaningless to you.


Not that I feel like I should explain myself to someone who presumes to understand how I feel about something based on a single observation but in this one case I'll make an exception in the hope that you think twice before getting on a high horse and gratifying what appears to me to be an unhealthy superiority complex.

Simply put: you have no idea if that "inconsequential detail" made the substance of what was said meaningless to me. In fact, I spent many hours tuned into Democracy Now's live coverage of Troy Davis's brief hold on execution praying (in a secular way) that he'd be pardoned. I just found this particular anchor's mindless page turning to be incredibly distracting for the obvious prop that it was.

@petpeeved apologies. I misread the meaning of your post.

I'm also just now noticing that you edited out the "Turned this piece into performance art for me" line between when you posted and when I replied. That's what raised my hackles and set me off on my rant.

I'm glad I was wrong!

A bit repetitive, but definitely right. The government should not be in the business of killing people, period. Besides, what's so bad about the death penalty? Instead of paying with their life (which doesn't seem to be very dear to some of them) I would much prefer to see criminals productively paying their debt to society, in the form of (very very) hard labour for example.

>> ^hpqp:

A bit repetitive, but definitely right. The government should not be in the business of killing people, period. Besides, what's so bad about the death penalty? Instead of paying with their life (which doesn't seem to be very dear to some of them) I would much prefer to see criminals productively paying their debt to society, in the form of (very very) hard labour for example.


The problem with forced labour is that you can get a inhumane competetive economy like in the US prison-system going. http://www.workers.org/2011/us/pentagon_0609/

Yes, but that's not what I meant. I meant labour that profits society, not a private run prison system. For example, they could sift through the city's trash (that from public spaces) and separate the recyclables. It's unpleasant but useful.

>> ^DerHasisttot:

>> ^hpqp:
A bit repetitive, but definitely right. The government should not be in the business of killing people, period. Besides, what's so bad about the death penalty? Instead of paying with their life (which doesn't seem to be very dear to some of them) I would much prefer to see criminals productively paying their debt to society, in the form of (very very) hard labour for example.

The problem with forced labour is that you can get a inhumane competetive economy like in the US prison-system going. http://www.workers.org/2011/us/pentagon_0609/

>> ^hpqp:

Yes, but that's not what I meant. I meant labour that profits society, not a private run prison system. For example, they could sift through the city's trash (that from public spaces) and separate the recyclables. It's unpleasant but useful.
>> ^DerHasisttot:
>> ^hpqp:
A bit repetitive, but definitely right. The government should not be in the business of killing people, period. Besides, what's so bad about the death penalty? Instead of paying with their life (which doesn't seem to be very dear to some of them) I would much prefer to see criminals productively paying their debt to society, in the form of (very very) hard labour for example.

The problem with forced labour is that you can get a inhumane competetive economy like in the US prison-system going. http://www.workers.org/2011/us/pentagon_0609/



But there are non-criminal people employed in that line of work, in the recycling factories.

I don't know how it works in Germany, but here the garbage from public trash cans is simply dumped in landfills or burned. Besides, there could also be non-criminals making license plates, etc. The point is not to take someone else's job from them, but to make serving a prison sentence productive yet unpleasant, so people don't want to go back. Right now (in CH at least) if you get sent to jail (extremely rare; most offenders are let off with a fine, often paid for them by the state, i.e. the taxpayer) it's practically a hotel. No wonder so many people are being drawn in by the rightwing xenophobic propaganda.

<sub>This discussion is kind of derailing from the video's subject. Feel free to pm me

>> ^DerHasisttot:

>> ^hpqp:
Yes, but that's not what I meant. I meant labour that profits society, not a private run prison system. For example, they could sift through the city's trash (that from public spaces) and separate the recyclables. It's unpleasant but useful.
>> ^DerHasisttot:
>> ^hpqp:
A bit repetitive, but definitely right. The government should not be in the business of killing people, period. Besides, what's so bad about the death penalty? Instead of paying with their life (which doesn't seem to be very dear to some of them) I would much prefer to see criminals productively paying their debt to society, in the form of (very very) hard labour for example.

The problem with forced labour is that you can get a inhumane competetive economy like in the US prison-system going. http://www.workers.org/2011/us/pentagon_0609/


But there are non-criminal people employed in that line of work, in the recycling factories.</sub>

>> ^petpeeved:

>> ^NetRunner:
>> ^petpeeved:
I think the Onion needs to do a piece about news anchors who flip pages of text during a report but never even glance at them once.

By all means, let an inconsequential detail let the substance of what was said be rendered meaningless to you.

Not that I feel like I should explain myself to someone who presumes to understand how I feel about something based on a single observation but in this one case I'll make an exception in the hope that you think twice before getting on a high horse and gratifying what appears to me to be an unhealthy superiority complex.
Simply put: you have no idea if that "inconsequential detail" made the substance of what was said meaningless to me. In fact, I spent many hours tuned into Democracy Now's live coverage of Troy Davis's brief hold on execution praying (in a secular way) that he'd be pardoned. I just found this particular anchor's mindless page turning to be incredibly distracting for the obvious prop that it was.


Well your name is "petpeeved" so already you're a whiny alternative fuck who doesn't know anything about the world and should just stay put in your little apartment with your cat named Barthalomew. Also your name is Kenneth and you work at Subway.

>> ^hpqp:

I don't know how it works in Germany, but here the garbage from public trash cans is simply dumped in landfills or burned. Besides, there could also be non-criminals making license plates, etc. The point is not to take someone else's job from them, but to make serving a prison sentence productive yet unpleasant, so people don't want to go back. Right now (in CH at least) if you get sent to jail (extremely rare; most offenders are let off with a fine, often paid for them by the state, i.e. the taxpayer) it's practically a hotel. No wonder so many people are being drawn in by the rightwing xenophobic propaganda.
<sub>This discussion is kind of derailing from the video's subject. Feel free to pm me
>> ^DerHasisttot:
>> ^hpqp:
Yes, but that's not what I meant. I meant labour that profits society, not a private run prison system. For example, they could sift through the city's trash (that from public spaces) and separate the recyclables. It's unpleasant but useful.
>> ^DerHasisttot:
>> ^hpqp:
A bit repetitive, but definitely right. The government should not be in the business of killing people, period. Besides, what's so bad about the death penalty? Instead of paying with their life (which doesn't seem to be very dear to some of them) I would much prefer to see criminals productively paying their debt to society, in the form of (very very) hard labour for example.

The problem with forced labour is that you can get a inhumane competetive economy like in the US prison-system going. http://www.workers.org/2011/us/pentagon_0609/


But there are non-criminal people employed in that line of work, in the recycling factories.</sub>



I can't remember in which country it was, but in some socialist commie utopia in Europe the criminals are basically in a high-security school, having to do school half their day 5 days a week, and this I really like. "Oh you can't get out? How about you read 3 books and do a test?" It's mild torture, they get an education, and have shit to do.

The application of the death penalty should be massively increased. The prison population should be massively reduced, by freeing the people who don't belong in it and by killing the creatures who don't belong outside it. Indefinite and long-term sentences should be abolished.

Kill the useless, free the innocent, and give the remainder a genuine second chance where they are well treated as first class citizens and have access to all the help and tools they need to regenerate themselves into whole people.

Everyone who leaves prison, which should always be after a few years at most, should do so with a high standard of education and training, cash in their pocket, a career lined up if that's what they want, an investment in their society, someone they can call for help if they need it, plus their dignity and a pride in what they've become. A very few do this now, usually thanks to the help of mostly religious charities, and it works.

Rehabilitative efforts are worthless unless they're targeted on those who can benefit from them. We don't have infinite resources to throw at mostly hopeless cases in the belief that some of them will get better. Prison is either somewhere to dump criminals indiscriminately or it's somewhere that makes them better, a real social endeavour - it can't be both. So if you want it to be the latter you should be campaigning not to abolish the death penalty, but for a thousandfold increase in executions.

We have the potential to build a mechanism by which defective, low-performance, harmful individuals are turned into exceptional, high-performance, beneficial ones. The death penalty isn't what's wrong with the modern justice system; it's just one of the more clumsily applied elements of one big clumsy, failing monstrosity, which needs to be completely re-engineered.

For those who guilt is cut and dry I say add more chairs and execute. In fact add an express lanes and clear the jails.
May be that would make one think twice about shooting some one in the face or dragging a body behind a truck.