Star Trek: Worf on Religion

Paybacksays...

>> ^Deano:
Oh Worf. A millennium is 1,000 years. But he said "A millennia". Which is the plural. Should have dropped the A.
Anyway, I always thought whats-her-name there was very cute.


It's that bizzaro Klingon/CHiPs accent he has. Also, "what's her name" ended up marrying the doctor. When her character had Keiko's baby placed in her, it was to cover the fact she was having Bashir's kid.

quantumushroomsays...

Yeah, and because Worf is an atheist and therefore cherishes life more than those kooky religious: in First Contact he was ready to ram the Defiant into the Borg Cube, which wouldn't have damaged the cube in the slightest but sure would've killed everyone on board his ship.

gwiz665says...


>> ^quantumushroom:

Yeah, and because Worf is an atheist and therefore cherishes life more than those kooky religious: in First Contact he was ready to ram the Defiant into the Borg Cube, which wouldn't have damaged the cube in the slightest but sure would've killed everyone on board his ship.

Fusionautsays...

The TNG movies aren't canon! >> ^quantumushroom:

Yeah, and because Worf is an atheist and therefore cherishes life more than those kooky religious: in First Contact he was ready to ram the Defiant into the Borg Cube, which wouldn't have damaged the cube in the slightest but sure would've killed everyone on board his ship.

dystopianfuturetodaysays...

Check out the Kingon Marriage in the "up next" after the video. It's terrible. That's one of the goofiest trends in sci-fi, where they show an earth custom in a non-earth culture and just ad spacey elements. I'd like to think that extra-terrestrial culture would different beyond all imagination.

Fusionautsays...

Or better yet, upvote it on the sift!


Winstonfield_Pennypackersays...

Sigh - without stepping into the issue of theism/atheism in real life - labelling this clip as 'atheist' is moronic because Worf was actually a deeply religious person according to the Klingon belief system. He in fact chided the Federation a bit in a couple TNG & DS9 episodes because they lacked a spiritual aspect. Interpreting this as an "atheist" clip is quoting two words of a fundie preach who said, "Christ died" and calling him an atheist. Stupidly inaccurate.

gwiz665says...

I suppose it should really have been labeled anti-theist, since he's actively against the idea of gods in thie clip, not a "non-believer".

"Our Gods are dead. Ancient warriors killed them, because they were more trouble than they were worth". Seems pretty anti-god to me.

But yeah, Worf was more spiritual than the rest. Like Chakotay in Voyager... how I loathed him.

jwraysays...

>> ^Winstonfield_Pennypacker:

Sigh - without stepping into the issue of theism/atheism in real life - labelling this clip as 'atheist' is moronic because Worf was actually a deeply religious person according to the Klingon belief system. He in fact chided the Federation a bit in a couple TNG & DS9 episodes because they lacked a spiritual aspect. Interpreting this as an "atheist" clip is quoting two words of a fundie preach who said, "Christ died" and calling him an atheist. Stupidly inaccurate.


You forgot about the "they were more trouble than they were worth" part.

Theism/atheism and following ancient traditions are two completely separable things.

Winstonfield_Pennypackersays...

You forgot about

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klingon_culture#Afterlife

No I didn't. Klingon belief is that the first Klingons killed the Gods who created them and essentially took their place. Klingons believe in a heaven (Sto'Vo'Kor) and Hell (Gre'Thor) which is presided over by Khaless (God) and a devil (Fek'Ihr). They follow a moral system based on combat and honor which rewards proper behavior, and punishes what is considered negative behavior.

Were the ancient Greeks "Atheists"? Their belief system also involved the death of their primary origination God (Cronos). But just because that god died didn't mean the Greek theology was gone. It just took on a different aspect. Same with the Kingons who replaced their origination god with Kortar or Khaless or whatever. Worf is not an atheist. He has a very specific religion, which he believes in strongly.

Paybacksays...

>> ^blankfist:

I don't get what people see in Star Trek.


I don't get what people see in watching professional sports. I get playing sports. I get watching your friend/partner/child playing sports. I just don't understand the allure of watching professional athletes.

As for what people see in Star Trek? It's escapist wish fulfillment, like any fantasy. The idea that our (or our descendants) lives in the future, while still recognizable, will be better than they are now. That we can overcome the petty, backwards, theist-stained bullshit our lives are currently mired in. That was Roddenberry's dream. Everything before most of DS9, and ALL of Voyager, is his vision. A vision shared by thousands (maybe millions?) of people...

garmachisays...

>> ^Deano:
Oh Worf. A millennium is 1,000 years. But he said "A millennia". Which is the plural. Should have dropped the A.
Anyway, I always thought whats-her-name there was very cute.


English is his second language. I forgive him.

Deanosays...

>> ^garmachi:

>> ^Deano:
Oh Worf. A millennium is 1,000 years. But he said "A millennia". Which is the plural. Should have dropped the A.
Anyway, I always thought whats-her-name there was very cute.

English is his second language. I forgive him.


Does he speak English or is that the translator we here?

@blankfist I like Star Trek but yes a lot of it is bloody rubbish. Guilty pleasure for me but some eps I just want to fast forward.

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