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So it seems that versatility is valued. The guy who'll only be on top is viewed as having issues and the guy who's always on the bottom, is just too gay, even for gays. If the same attitudes were transferred to heterosexual relationships, it would mean that guys willing to be penetrated by their partners, were seen as more well-rounded.

I suppose the difference is that aside from the pleasure that comes from giving pleasure, penetrating a man does not give the same physical pleasure to a woman, so many probably don't bother doing it, especially if he might seem uncomfortable with the idea.

I think versatility keeps sex alive.

I wonder if lesbian couples/culture has similar role associations. I assume less so, but I'm hardly informed.

I'm way hetero, voting on a gay video doesn't mean I'm a bottom. I voted laughing about the very idea of the guy on the right discussing degrees of masculinity. What is it about being gay like the guy on the right that just dissolves the edges of manhood and turns up the pansy factor to such a high degree?

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The guy on the left would have to tell me he was gay. The guy on the right could just open his mouth and I think I would have a pretty good idea. Why is there such a spectrum in gayness? Honestly curious. (not bi-curious).

^ You could probably identify macho/masculine or other personality traits on any sliding scale, and the more extrovert the persons character is, the more quickly you could make the assessment, and the more pronounced it would seem. The guy on the right is a lot more extrovert in expressing himself, where as the guy on the left is more subdued/reserved. As such, inherently less expressive. To be expressive about ones feelings is often seen as an effeminate trait, and something often avoided by what our culture regards as hetero masculine behavior. The guy on the right expresses his feelings freely in his extrovert style, and hence, this behavior which is non conformist to our "hetero masculine cultural norms" and is immediately apparent. From that, first opinion assessments about sexuality arent really surprising.

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Surely one could be gay and extroverted, and not overtly feminine? I think there must be something deeper involved. Some part of the brain that switches to model female behavior instead of male.

There's all that classic child psychology stuff about a son modeling his mother instead of the father - if the father is really dysfunctional/non-present. I'm not sure I buy that, but it could contribute.

Yeah, i'm sure theres more to it too, social and cultural conditioning and self identifying to behaviors etc, and yes, a person who is extrovert but not overtly feminine could certainly be gay too, as im sure all such personality traits are possible in conjunction with any sexuality, even if their are identified biasess which have enabled stereotyping. That said, i merely think his extrovertness+expressive feelings is what allows his sexuality to be presumed (correctly) within moments of his speaking, and its the contrasting personality of the other guy that makes it less quick to deduce (and i too would probably have to be told to know). So more of a case of considering this 1 instance, rather than getting deep into stereotyped (accurately or otherwise) behavior that we are attuned too and use to assign sexuality.

Wasn't there a vid on here that looked into this? how quick can we guess correctly someones sexuality just form a silhouette of them sitting down? sure there was...

Yeah, here it is, that part being at around -2.50

I don't care if you are gay or straight or Britney's little sis. Can we beat anyone into a coma for using the term "blog buddies"

^ no, but you can make a note to avoid ever watching another of their vids. if you like

105 views, 9 comments, but only 8 votes.... Come on, only 2 more votes, blog buddies and it's outa the closet/queue.

Funny you should mention "closet." The guy on the right often blogs solo. He did a video blog entitled "the day I got trapped behind my closet."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XOZUn-N85LY

> Can we beat anyone into
> a coma for using the term "blog buddies"

Motion seconded and passed. JoeDirt will now please distribute the billy clubs.

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billy club - a giant wooden substitute penis.

Holy crap I HATE people who use terms like WTF when talking... dear god that's annoying.

Still, other than that and the 'blog buddies', this was kinda interesting, although MUCH less so once they started talking about how they met, how very boring that was.

But yeah, I can see that those who are only a top could indeed have either control issues, or yeah, sexuality issues. Surely in a relationship where you both have the same equipment, it would be most healthy (relationship wise) to both do both sides of it all.