id upvote, but i can hear my mom and my super buddy crying in the back of my head.... oh yeah, and sam harris is a pompous ass. all the demons in all of hell cant wait to ass rape him over hot coals for eternity.

Only if he believes in hell.

And Sam Harris is the well-tempered one..

Honestly, who can refute this take on Mormonism?

It's got the basic tenets of Christianity. check.
Plus, it has some *really* stupid ideas.

Yep, checks out.

A co-worker once told me that Mormons aren't Christians because they're a cult.

I told her the way she views Mormonism is the way the Jews and the Romans viewed Christianity.

She didn't understand the analogy.

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Mormonism is Christianity, because they believe that God sent his son to earth to die for our sins, and if we believe in him we will live eternally in heaven.

Then they add that those in the celestial level of heaven will be able to populate their own planet, as Adam and Eve did.

Basic Christianity + crazy shit = Mormonism.

And this makes Sam Harris correct.

Mormonism is Christianity, because they believe that God sent his son to earth to die for our sins, and if we believe in him we will live eternally in heaven.

By this standard, even the Devil is Christian.

I suppose you have to add, to be a christian, not only do you believe the schtick, but you also want to follow it's teachings...

I sure had a lot more empathy for Mormons before Prop 8.

>> ^ObsidianStorm:
I suppose you have to add, to be a christian, not only do you believe the schtick, but you also want to follow it's teachings...


Maybe if people could agree on what Christ's teachings actually are. Even looking at the same text people get wildly different ideas from it.

And if maybe we could agree on what the text actually says. There are thousands of different copies of the Bible with different text since it was copied by scribes for so long. Many of the differences are significant.

And maybe if the only knowledge we have of Jesus Christ wasn't just stories written down several decades after his death by people who he had never met.

And that's all assuming that being a Christian is something to be desired. The amount of evidence we have on Jesus Christ is so small that there exists a chance that he never actually existed.

Um...I don't see anyone trying to argue that evangelicals aren't christian. Some of their practices are just as different from other groups as the mormons.

>> ^StukaFox:
I sure had a lot more empathy for Mormons before Prop 8.


ok ok ok ok.. mormons and prop 8. they were all told by church leaders, and in their priesthood meetings all over the country that a constitutional amendment allowing gay marriage would mean that if they refused to allow homosexuals to marry in the temple, they would loose the legal authority to preform temple marriages period, which means to a mormon that they take away your right to be married to your spouse and sealed to your family for eternity. you can no longer have children born into a covenant, and your marriage ends at death. temple marriage is EXTREMELY important to these people. so, im not sure where they got this idea, i bought it myself for a little while and i was even upset about it. it turns out its slipery slope propaganda, but they were told by church leaders that this meant the iminent demise of their marriages. thats why you had overwhelming LDS support for prop 8. mormons all over the country gave their money to fight something they perceived would take their rights away. normally mormons sport a live and let live philosophy, they do not like to be in the spotlight, they have a righteous persecution complex, but they really really thought their rights were in danger. i dont know what to say of church leaders, im not sure where they got this idea, but i know it came from the top and spread like fire throughout the wards. now, i know they believe some really stupid shit. and i love me a good mormon joke. but i think sam harris is an arrogant pompous twit. south park did the BEST job of making fun of mormons and then following it up with a "yeah so they believe stupid shit, but theyre peaceful happy people with amazing family values and youre all fucked up so fuck you." ... oh i also realize that not all mormons are good to their families. mines a shining dysfunctional example of what happens when you mix religion with a giant heaping dose of mental illness.

>> ^flavioribeiro:
Mormonism is Christianity, because they believe that God sent his son to earth to die for our sins, and if we believe in him we will live eternally in heaven.
By this standard, even the Devil is Christian.

Lol, I guess what thinker247 intended to say is that the mormons also think of Jesus as their savior, they are , like Christians, "followers of Christ" .

The devil, in the Christian universe, would be as far from a "follower of christ" as humanly (or is it divinely?) possible.

As for the description "cult", well, as I see it, all religions are simply cults gone mainstream, the thing that sets cults like mormonism apart from the others is its size and the fact that its founder was such an obvious, deliberate fraud.

I'll field this one. They made it up. To keep their control of the masses.

I also don't see a huge difference in religion and mental illness, but I am an arrogant twit on that point as well, so there..

>> ^peggedbea:
>> ^StukaFox:
I sure had a lot more empathy for Mormons before Prop 8.

ok ok ok ok.. mormons and prop 8. they were all told by church leaders, and in their priesthood meetings all over the country that a constitutional amendment allowing gay marriage would mean that if they refused to allow homosexuals to marry in the temple, they would loose the legal authority to preform temple marriages period, which means to a mormon that they take away your right to be married to your spouse and sealed to your family for eternity. you can no longer have children born into a covenant, and your marriage ends at death. temple marriage is EXTREMELY important to these people. so, im not sure where they got this idea, i bought it myself for a little while and i was even upset about it. it turns out its slipery slope propaganda, but they were told by church leaders that this meant the iminent demise of their marriages. thats why you had overwhelming LDS support for prop 8. mormons all over the country gave their money to fight something they perceived would take their rights away. normally mormons sport a live and let live philosophy, they do not like to be in the spotlight, they have a righteous persecution complex, but they really really thought their rights were in danger. i dont know what to say of church leaders, im not sure where they got this idea, but i know it came from the top and spread like fire throughout the wards. now, i know they believe some really stupid shit. and i love me a good mormon joke. but i think sam harris is an arrogant pompous twit. south park did the BEST job of making fun of mormons and then following it up with a "yeah so they believe stupid shit, but theyre peaceful happy people with amazing family values and youre all fucked up so fuck you." ... oh i also realize that not all mormons are good to their families. mines a shining dysfunctional example of what happens when you mix religion with a giant heaping dose of mental illness.

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