EMTs charged with murder

A recent story of EMTs that misunderstood the term "emergency medical technicians". They are to ASSIST in emergencies: NOT create them.

Looks bad for them. Between the lady's 'bedside manner' and their lawyer's 'life's tough' defense; might be a long ride for them w/o much aid at the end.

Give it a peek.
newtboysays...

I think it’s not uncalled for to throw in hate crime enhancements and go for the death penalty. Let them prove their murderous callous behavior wasn’t racially driven.

Their training means they absolutely knew what they did would kill someone in his condition. No question. This wasn’t even depraved indifference, it was pure premeditated callous torturous murder. My absolute worst nightmare death.

The only truly just reward is to slowly suffocate them by compression…compassionately offering them a light sedative to speed things up slightly. A lot of tragic things happen in life, and I think they need a little tragedy in theirs.

What they’re going to get won’t come close to justice.

Just disgusting.

noimssays...

I was going to start off saying that the whole concept of a private ambulance company - an essential service run for profit that so obviously benefits the wealthy over the poor - is so alien to me that it feels wrong to my core.

Then I read your comment and thought that the training really is at the heart of this. Were they sufficiently trained and managed to know that this could/would kill?

This is not a rhetorical question.

If they were paid little and/or forced to work long shifts so they're facing this while tired enough not to think/care, then I blame the company and, by association, the system. If they were well trained and had no genuine excuse (rather than reason) for their behaviour then I blame them.

The reality probably isn't as cut-and-dried as I present it above, but there's definitely a spectrum of blame to be considered.

newtboysaid:

[...] Their training means they absolutely knew what they did would kill someone in his condition. No question. This wasn’t even depraved indifference, it was pure premeditated callous torturous murder.

newtboysays...

Full disclosure, I’m not an EMT, but I do know it takes SOME medical training to be one, and it takes absolutely none to know slamming a near unconscious person in full body physical distress with full force on their face then strapping them face down across the chest so hard it asphyxiates them is something a layman with zero medical training knows is not proper or acceptable or even safe treatment.
This wasn’t a case of being tired or inattentive, IMO….it was a case of, for whatever reason, them being put out and clearly enraged at having to help a black man in full blown alcohol withdrawals, and treating him as a sub human inconvenience rather than a distressed patient needing help.

It varies by state, but in California where I live…. California EMT programs are at least 160 hours and include at least 136 hours of didactic training and at least 24 hours of clinical training. The individual must have 10 patient contacts. An EMT who continues training at the AEMT level must meet additional prerequisites.

noimssaid:

I was going to start off saying that the whole concept of a private ambulance company - an essential service run for profit that so obviously benefits the wealthy over the poor - is so alien to me that it feels wrong to my core.

Then I read your comment and thought that the training really is at the heart of this. Were they sufficiently trained and managed to know that this could/would kill?

This is not a rhetorical question.

If they were paid little and/or forced to work long shifts so they're facing this while tired enough not to think/care, then I blame the company and, by association, the system. If they were well trained and had no genuine excuse (rather than reason) for their behaviour then I blame them.

The reality probably isn't as cut-and-dried as I present it above, but there's definitely a spectrum of blame to be considered.

robdotsays...

An emt ,and a paramedic ,are 2 totally different things. The headline says emt. But the newscaster says paramedic. There is a significant license and education level between those 2.

I don’t believe these 2 are paramedics. Often an ambulance would have one medic and one emt. Who really just drives the medic around and hands him stuff.

Neither of these 2 look like medics to me. So,there is a question as to why this squad has no medic on board.

robdotsays...

I’m a retired firefighter. It’s very common to have to remove people from areas where you can’t get the cot. They make collapsible chairs for example designed for that. For larger people they have a canvas thing with handles in the sides. Often people are upstairs, or downstairs. That’s just the job.

This guys not heavy , it’s just that she’s a small woman and he’s out of shape. And they don’t wanna do it. She knows him I think. She calls him by name. Like they have been there before and are tired of his shit. It’s also very common to go to the same places over and over.
But Yea, they are going to jail.

robdotsays...

Cities use private ambulances simply because it’s cheaper than using much higher paid professional firefighter medics.

And professional firefighter medics are not gonna work for private service wages, so, private services are getting the bottom of the barrel. Like you see here.

Cities all over America are slowly getting rid of private services. And accepting the fact that they have to pay professionals. Often it takes something to happen though. Like this.

robdotsays...

It would also be s.o.p. To bring a bag in with you. To take pulse, bp, and oxygen level. And administer oxygen. But I don’t see she even has such bag. Her partner stays outside. And I still don’t see any bag. Which is odd.
Normally, the 2 would enter together with a basic care bag. Take basic stats, give oxygen and determine what care is needed. Then remove him. Together. But the man stayed outside. That is all going to look very bad if there is a trial. Other professional medics are going to destroy these 2. If this goes to trial.

It would be possible and common that he is having a blood sugar reaction. It can look just like that. If they are medics ,which I doubt , that can be very easily and quickly fixed with a paste they put in their mouth. People recover very quickly. I have seen it many times. But they bring no bag that I see.

robdotsays...

I think what happened here is this. They have been here before. Many times. They know he doesn’t have insurance or money and no one’s going to get paid. They are annoyed and have intention of giving any care.

I have never seen anyone placed facedown on a cot for any reason. He does that out of spite because he’s tired of this guy.

It may also be they think he’s faking,and drug seeking. Which is also very common.

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