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Good man...Where's the media on this?

Manning is not only held under maximum custody, he is held under Prevention of Injury (POI) watch. He's checked upon by guards every five minutes and has to be responsive. At night, they check up on him every fifteen minutes and if they can't see him properly, they wake him up. No pillows, no sheets, no personal items, no phyiscal exercise. One hour a day outside his cell in shackles, no interaction with any other detainees.

PFC Manning has been held under POI watch since his arrival at the brig, except for a few days of even stricter suicide watch. The attending forensic psychiatrist has recommended to take him off maximum custody and off POI watch at the end of August -- and everytime since --, yet Manning's condition remains unchanged.

Again, Glenn Greenwald wrote about the conditions of Manning's -- and others' -- detention over and over again

Examples:
-- The inhumane conditions of Bradley Manning's detention
-- U.N. to investigate treatment of Bradley Manning
-- America's treatment of detainees

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Tags for this video have been changed from 'Bradley Manning, WikiLeaks, Julian Assange, human rights' to 'Bradley Manning, WikiLeaks, Julian Assange, human rights, dennis kucinich' - edited by blankfist

Kucinich is one of the good ones.

Good thing he's not in Russia. If he had been RT would of never said a damn thing and he never would of been heard from again. As for his treatment, sorry he is a traitor to his country. He is not a hero, He is not an activist. He was a solder who took an oath that he betrayed. He should be spending the rest of his life behind bars. He has put people at great risk that may even get someone killed. It does not matter if names were removed. With enough information people can connect the dots and figure out who or what happened.

>> ^skinnydaddy1:

Good thing he's not in Russia. If he had been RT would of never said a damn thing and he never would of been heard from again. As for his treatment, sorry he is a traitor to his country. He is not a hero, He is not an activist. He was a solder who took an oath that he betrayed. He should be spending the rest of his life behind bars. He has put people at great risk that may even get someone killed. It does not matter if names were removed. With enough information people can connect the dots and figure out who or what happened.


Allegedly.

>> ^skinnydaddy1:

Good thing he's not in Russia. If he had been RT would of never said a damn thing and he never would of been heard from again. As for his treatment, sorry he is a traitor to his country. He is not a hero, He is not an activist. He was a solder who took an oath that he betrayed. He should be spending the rest of his life behind bars. He has put people at great risk that may even get someone killed. It does not matter if names were removed. With enough information people can connect the dots and figure out who or what happened.


You know he hasn't even had a trial yet. For all your patriotic rhetoric, do you believe in the presumption of innocence? Or do you think we should just assume that the accused are always guilty so we don't waste any time in moving on to cruel and unusual punishment?

>> ^entr0py:

>> ^skinnydaddy1:
Good thing he's not in Russia. If he had been RT would of never said a damn thing and he never would of been heard from again. As for his treatment, sorry he is a traitor to his country. He is not a hero, He is not an activist. He was a solder who took an oath that he betrayed. He should be spending the rest of his life behind bars. He has put people at great risk that may even get someone killed. It does not matter if names were removed. With enough information people can connect the dots and figure out who or what happened.

You know he hasn't even had a trial yet. For all your patriotic rhetoric, do you believe in the presumption of innocence? Or do you think we should just assume that the accused are always guilty so we don't waste any time in moving on to cruel and unusual punishment?


Oh right, If its Egypt or France or Israel or Serbia it ok, but if its the U.S. It patriotic rhetoric. Sorry, He had already said how he did it. He was bragging about it. But When he was charged he entered a plea of not guilty. SO we will give him a fair trial, We will give him representation. We will give him a chance. And it will be a fair chance. That is something I very well doubt he would get in Russia or Mexico or in hundred other countries.
I'm sick and tired of people expecting me to be ashamed of my country. How its alright to spy or hand over classified documents as long as its the U.S its being done to. Any other country and this would not be an Issue but since its the U.S. lets make a big deal about it.
So he gets his fair trial, He gets to say why he did it and when he is found guilty I honestly hope he dies in prison of old age.

Did he brag about it to you? Or do you just have such faith in Adrian Lamo and army investigators that it's a forgone conclusion? Can you imagine young idiot hackers ever bragging about high-profile hacks they didn't commit? This is my point, so far we've only heard from his accusers; we've heard nothing in his defense. With anyone accused of a crime, if you listen exclusively to his accusers, he'll sound pretty damn guilty. This is why we have trials, so both sides have the opportunity to be heard out. He hasn't plead not-guilty, they're not that far along in the process.

And of course I'm not saying that patriotism is a vice. But just that I would expect someone who is patriotic to appreciate the protections granted to prisoners and the accused under the bill of rights. Even if he is found guilty, this sort of unnecessarily cruel and seemingly vindictive punishment would be a violation of American principles.

I'm definitely not asking you to be ashamed of your country, or to see the release of those documents as whistle blowing rather than an intelligence leak. I'm only asking you not to pre-judge someone who hasn't spoken in his own defense. And not to support the mistreatment of prisoners awaiting trial.

Nobody said you have to be ashamed of your country. You just have to respect the Constitution, which gives certain rights if you are awaiting trial or not, and most of those rights don't go away if you are guilty, the privileges yes, the rights no. How is asking him to be treated with the respect the Constitution demands being unpatriotic? If anything, it is the very definition of patriotic, sticking up for the Constitution even when others think it should be ignored. All people are asking for here is that the government be transparent about their treatment of him to be sure his rights granted by the Constitution and International law are being protected.
It is those here who call for Julian Assange to be sent here for trail that could be called unpatriotic. He did the job the media is supposed to do, and is the very reason the freedom of the press clause exists in the 1st Amendment: to act as a check and balance against government corruption and violation of international laws and treaties.
And when the public knows about such treatment in other countries, then people here complain as well. Perhaps not the people you listen to, or the major media outlets, but the Real News, Democracy Now and other independent non-corporate, pro-humanitarian media do.
If he is guilty then yes, he should spend his life in jail, nobody would argue that, but he should be treated humanely with his full Constitutional and International rights before and after said convection.

>> ^skinnydaddy1:
Good thing he's not in Russia. If he had been RT would of never said a damn thing and he never would of been heard from again. As for his treatment, sorry he is a traitor to his country. He is not a hero, He is not an activist. He was a solder who took an oath that he betrayed. He should be spending the rest of his life behind bars. He has put people at great risk that may even get someone killed. It does not matter if names were removed. With enough information people can connect the dots and figure out who or what happened.


I won't argue the point of traitor versus not, or the arguments others have made about 'innocent until proven guilty.' That argument falls short with my bullshit radar, just like yours--***BUT, technically, many dumbass conservative voters, and liberal voters, and elected officals betray America every day by assulating and ignoring the constitution. Take the War Powers act? Wtf? Gitmo? Since when the fuck did the Founding Fathers write that the constitution applies only to citizens? Did the fathers put that in there? Fuck no. And did it exclude actions across the seas? Fuck no again. And because the constitution is a form of law for government, if something is not written, it does not apply.

So, the constitution applies to everyone. I assume so, since the Fathers were not retards and just forgot...

Futher--Manning will go to jail for life. Question is if you think this General who is okaying cruel and unusal treatment should join him? And if you argue it is not cruel and unusal, I would like your proof. I assume YOU would have spent years confined inside a box, all alone and naked for years... That would be proof, not speculation, because you can say, "I didn't mind it one bit." Somehow, I doubt you would volunteer though...

The prison itself is violating America's sacred document, and all who accept responsibility over Manning is a traitor... So what is your opinion on this matter? Do you support the constitution--or the rhetoric? Are you pro-freedom? Or pro-hypocrite?

I assume you are pro-freedom. So while you and I think Manning should be in jail for breaking legitament laws within constitutional authority, there are a lot of traitors in this. Of course Asange is protected, among others. Because we can't be cherry picking laws that forged our country's backbone, can we? Am I right?

You will have to excuse my very strong opinion on the matter. I can not change my feeling on it and for that reason you can damn well expect me never to be on a jury for this type of crime. I grew up in a military family. I have friends and family overseas that will have deal with the direct fallout of this and I do expect it to not only make their job more difficult but has even put them at even more risk. I do not expect them to pick and choose what laws to follow and what not to. On the other hand I do not believe he is being treated differently then anyone else in the prison. With the amount of press that is on this case I do not believe that he is being treated wrongly and that most of what has been said is bullshit in an attempt at sympathy.
I also find it insulting that a Russian Propaganda group is being treated as news. A year ago I had never even heard of Russian Times but now when ever I do its some BS negative story on the U.S. or the EU. Everyone is giving the U.S. Crap in treating of one person but Not one thing is ever said about the thousands in prison in Russia, China, Argentina, Turkey, Syria, Yemen, Uzbekistan, Myanmar, Laos, Malaysia, the list goes on and on and on. People keep saying Innocent until proven guilty for Manning but condemn the U.S. on Hearsay.
Sorry the BS meter is off the scale on this.



>> ^Lawdeedaw:

>> ^skinnydaddy1:
Good thing he's not in Russia. If he had been RT would of never said a damn thing and he never would of been heard from again. As for his treatment, sorry he is a traitor to his country. He is not a hero, He is not an activist. He was a solder who took an oath that he betrayed. He should be spending the rest of his life behind bars. He has put people at great risk that may even get someone killed. It does not matter if names were removed. With enough information people can connect the dots and figure out who or what happened.

I won't argue the point of traitor versus not, or the arguments others have made about 'innocent until proven guilty.' That argument falls short with my bullshit radar, just like yours-- BUT, technically, many dumbass conservative voters, and liberal voters, and elected officals betray America every day by assulating and ignoring the constitution. Take the War Powers act? Wtf? Gitmo? Since when the fuck did the Founding Fathers write that the constitution applies only to citizens? Did the fathers put that in there? Fuck no. And did it exclude actions across the seas? Fuck no again. And because the constitution is a form of law for government, if something is not written, it does not apply.
So, the constitution applies to everyone. I assume so, since the Fathers were not retards and just forgot...
Futher--Manning will go to jail for life. Question is if you think this General who is okaying cruel and unusal treatment should join him? And if you argue it is not cruel and unusal, I would like your proof. I assume YOU would have spent years confined inside a box, all alone and naked for years... That would be proof, not speculation, because you can say, "I didn't mind it one bit." Somehow, I doubt you would volunteer though...
The prison itself is violating America's sacred document, and all who accept responsibility over Manning is a traitor... So what is your opinion on this matter? Do you support the constitution--or the rhetoric? Are you pro-freedom? Or pro-hypocrite?
I assume you are pro-freedom. So while you and I think Manning should be in jail for breaking legitament laws within constitutional authority, there are a lot of traitors in this. Of course Asange is protected, among others. Because we can't be cherry picking laws that forged our country's backbone, can we? Am I right?

Psshh... liberals! If he was accused of a crime then obviously he did it!
Didn't you guys see the documentary 'Minority Report'? With Tom Cruise?




... ahhh, but seriously this is really sad...
(goes back to watching kitten in slow motion)

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RT follows the FOX strategy of extreme bias + visceral indignation, I find it totally off putting.

I have not seen any evidence of RT pushing falsehoods as facts, but thats probably just because of reality's liberal bias.

Thank you for speaking politely and to the point skinnydaddy. As someone who both fought for this country and knows directly how prisoners are treated, please let me explain my observations.

Manning is being treated vastly different than every other prisoner. High profile inmates, those with no violent issues or issues of self-harm, are taken to a single celled unit (Usually called a lockdown unit, or in the past, called "the hole.") However, those inmates can use the phone, sleep with pillows and blankets, set up video-visitation with family, etc. In fact, they must be given these opportunities (Example, Manning, Parris Hilton, or the POS who smashed a baby's head into the shower and would otherwise die in regular population.)

Now, suicidal inmates are different but the law covers them too. Otherwise, every inmate a Correctional Officer or military officer did not like would be deemed "suicidal." The inmate is usually placed on observation by a Supervisor or certified Medical Staff. Unless obvious signs exist (Trying to slash his wrists for example) the inmate must be regularly evaluated and every reasonable attempt to correct his self-harming behavior must be given. This includes prescribed medications. Notes must be constantly maintained as to why this inmate is where he is. This helps free up 1-Lawsuits, and 2-Man power. Each inmate on Observation takes more resources than, I estimate, 20 regular inmates.


Unfortunately, I would like to agree with you--so this issue could become a non-issue. Sadly, I cannot. Manning means nothing to me--but the bigger picture does. At first Gitmo was spoken about as being fine because it did not apply to citizens. Then people say Manning, a citizen, is fine because he is military. When you embolden to Government to take from its people, or others, you embolden them to take from everyone!

After Manning, it will be some new "classification" of people the government seeks to punish... It is a slippery slope.

"The online payment provider PayPal has frozen the account of Courage to Resist, which in collaboration with the Bradley Manning Support Network is currently raising funds in support of US Army Pfc. Bradley Manning. 'We've been in discussions with PayPal for weeks, and by their own admission there's no legal obligation for them to close down our account,' noted Loraine Reitman of the Bradley Manning Support Network (Support Network). 'This was an internal policy decision by PayPal. ... They said they would not unrestrict our account unless we authorized PayPal to withdraw funds from our organization's checking account by default. While there may be no legal obligation to provide services, there is an ethical obligation. By shutting out legitimate nonprofit activity, PayPal shows itself to be morally bankrupt.'"

http://www.couragetoresist.org/x/content/view/891/1