Umm... yeah...

I don't know how else to take that...

Translation anyone? Please??

This is an old clip from Paul de Leeuw, a well-known Dutch TV/radio show host and singer, that recently appeared online with a misplaced "creepy paedophile" tag (so I would advice to remove it). The boy is Keesje Groenteman, family of Hanneke Groenteman - a befriended journalist.

Fucking hell, what in christs name was this ever okayed for the viewing public. Yeah right so the father of the kid is friends with this creep. Probably in it together. Ok even if he isn't a paedo, this is inappropriate on every single level. Really fucking dark. Gah

i can't do this but it needs a dark tag immediately

>> ^Eklek:
This is an old clip from Paul de Leeuw, a well-known Dutch TV/radio show host and singer, that recently appeared online with a misplaced "creepy paedophile" tag (so I would advice to remove it). The boy is Keesje Groenteman, family of Hanneke Groenteman - a befriended journalist.


Ok, i've had to come back to this again, i'm seriously disturbed as to how you can defend this? This is not ok, and to suggest removing the paedo tag? Even if this is acceptable within the family to be so overtly sexual with the child, it's irresponsible to the extreme to air it on television. What message do you think it sends out? Imagine the paedophiles watching it. Ugh

In the rush to judgement I think everyone is missing the big picture here- this kid is a terrible singer. How did he ever make it onto national TV?

I wouldn't say I "defend" this clip. The intention of my comment was to give necessary context to this controversial (ambiguous) performance, which indeed has not much to do with music. The qualification of Paul de Leeuw as "creepy paedophile" does obscure this context and pushes the discussion into one direction.
>> ^alien_concept:
>> ^Eklek:
This is an old clip from Paul de Leeuw, a well-known Dutch TV/radio show host and singer, that recently appeared online with a misplaced "creepy paedophile" tag (so I would advice to remove it). The boy is Keesje Groenteman, family of Hanneke Groenteman - a befriended journalist.

Ok, i've had to come back to this again, i'm seriously disturbed as to how you can defend this? This is not ok, and to suggest removing the paedo tag? Even if this is acceptable within the family to be so overtly sexual with the child, it's irresponsible to the extreme to air it on television. What message do you think it sends out? Imagine the paedophiles watching it. Ugh

I think there is only one direction to push it, i'm certainly not one for being over dramatic. I see your point, but at the end of the day, the title of the video is relevant. No-one is saying he is a paedophile. But he is certainly making himself look like he could be, I don't think anyone could argue with that.

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Well, there's good and bad in everything.
I agree the title in relevant in reflecting a point of view that to some degree is valid. I would also argue the clip is referring to paedophilia, no question about it.

This discussion also reminds me of
Eminem (Without me)

Now this looks like a job for me
So everybody just follow me
Cuz we need a little controversy,
Cuz it feels so empty without me

Yet, indeed, sometimes controversy can be too big..

>> ^alien_concept:
I think there is only one direction to push it, i'm certainly not one for being over dramatic. I see your point, but at the end of the day, the title of the video is relevant. No-one is saying he is a paedophile. But he is certainly making himself look like he could be, I don't think anyone could argue with that.

Well i'd love you to point out the good thing about this vid, cos clearly i'm missing something here >> ^Eklek:
Well, there's good and bad in everything.
I agree the title in relevant in reflecting a point of view that to some degree is valid. I would also argue the clip is referring to paedophilia, no question about it.
This discussion also reminds me of
Eminem (Without me)
Now this looks like a job for me
So everybody just follow me
Cuz we need a little controversy,
Cuz it feels so empty without me
Yet, indeed, sometimes controversy can be too big..

^Well, imagine a world without people looking for controversy or being controversial..that would be rather "empty", as Eminem said.

Looking for controversy? He's literally feeling up a little boy in public... on public fucking television nonetheless. alien_concept is not being a drama queen, so step off your high horse. This video is outright despicable and the guy should have his balls cut off.

Anyway you slice it ,it is just wrong.

@evil_disco_man
Thanks for your comment, appreciate it.
I also said "being controversial" (not only looking for).
We don't live in a clear cut world, but an ambiguous one. I'm not as heavily opiniated on this clip but I can say if I would have been the TV station programmer I would not have aired this (e.g. I didn't vote for/against this clip, but the discussion about it is interesting so I think I would've aired it in context of a debate on paedophilia, a practice I condemn as does the law but this doesn't mean there shouldn't be a debate about the issue). But as there's a countless variety of channels these days, there a big chance such a clip is being broadcasted, especially in a more liberal media landscape - which I think is filling up the "emptiness" that would result from a non-controversial world: people seem to have an innate need for controversy, but what kind of controversy is variable, as what is too or not controversial/liberal is different for everyone. One can not please everybody's opinion.
Excuse me if I sound like I'm on a high horse but I think it's important to write out the complexity of this case..
Regarding Paul de Leeuw's balls, I'm against corporal punishment, especially without a fair trial.

Well eklek, what would you like me to say? You want a comment, ok. You've come back to this with a fresh opinion, that's fine. You don't think it warrants people being angry about it, also your call. But this sort of thing genuinely affects peoples lives, it happens every day to children on every street, so I think anyone is well within their rights to have an opinion on it without being accused of being controversial or "needing controversy" in their lives. Your opinion on this is as valid as anyone elses, but I stress that something like this, whether there is proof that he is a paedophile or not, can be upsetting and touch nerves for others. It's all very well playing devils advocate, but I honestly don't think you know where you're going with all of your comments. You have one thing going for you, you stick to your guns. You carry on with that and so shall I. Thanks for your time

Hi alien_concept, thanks for your comment! To some degree I also don't know where I'm going with my comments, but (in)certainty is what drives us:)

I'm not just playing devil's advocate - I also wrote down I personally would consider this clip too controversial (& not air it) as I also think this is touching the nerves of people, especially victims. This is to some degree an angry/emotional response too.

I'd rather not be steering towards an entrenched debate, but instead have a discussion that reflects both rational and emotional responses to this clip.

BTW
Have you seen this case in Ghana that I posted?
http://www.videosift.com/video/Trokosi-women-talking-about-their-sex-slave-experiences

strangest video i've seen lately

This is worth keeping for posterity. *beg'er up.

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I'm downvoting to protect my fellow sifters.

In fact, I think I deserve a star point for the personal sacrifice I've just made.

Japanese WTF has been outWTFed by the Dutch WTF.

*terrible! * Horrorshow

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ok, so I thought to myself that maybe I was missing something, that they could have been joking around. Then I immediately thought, hmmmm... is it socially acceptable in Holland to joke around sexually with a child? I have to say that even if it was, and even if the person was trying to cause controversy, I am not okay with it and I don't think it should be saved for posterity either. Normally I would, but not with something like this. It's as no no as a snuff to me, baby...

Are you all stupid??? OMG, this was from a tv show, when Paul told the audience, that Kees(je) and he had so much fun doing a brilliant joke in one of his earlyer shows!!! That was so brilliant, even Gordon (a Dutch singer) had no idea what was going on.... (watch the 1st show, surch for Paul, Gordon and Keesje) People who think that Paul is doing bad things with children, are not thinking right! Paul would never do that!!! He is a comedian, nr 1 in the Netherlands:-)

He should be killed.

seriously....'he should be killed' 'his balls cut off'

the kid knew what was going on all along. its called acting. the guy has 2 (adopted) kids and is just a silly person on tv (quite famous, and yes sometimes a bit controversial) this vid has gone all around the globe a hundred times because its considered paedophilia but it just isn't. all out of context, it was all ok, we dutchies don't endorse paedophilia and neither does paul de leeuw.

Yes, this guy is a Dutch comedian and he is playing in character a sketch with a boy. The boy and parents knew what the act was and agreed to play along with it. His shows can be quite controversial and funny sometimes.

*scarely hostile comments here. I've watched his show a few times and I'm not really a fan, but if this had came along I would been like "wtf, this is going a little far" for a bit and then laugh, the show would go on.

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*shudders*

Oh whatever. Anyone who defneds this vid, then that's your call. But even if this guy hasn't got a boner for the kid, it's still portraying some kind of sexuality in his humour, or why would anyone be questioning it? And you can bet your life that any kiddyfiddler watching this is gonna have their cock in their hand. If that's cool with you, kiss my arse

Ohhhh he was just joking. How could I not see that before? Hahaha, making out with little kids is so funny. What a silly man.

Not to mean that paedos are exclusively male, but I think you catch my drift...

*promote for the horrifying nightmares this will spread.

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kon ik maar eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeven bij je zijn
ik moet nog hoooooooooooveeeeeeeel aan je vragen

It's a joke? Suuure. If it had been my kid, it's anyone's guess as to whether or not this guy would wake up the next morning.

Oh come on, alien_concept. From your perspective one could argue that every diaper ad and commercials for similar products, in which semi-naked kids occasionally tend to be pictured is also porn for pedos.

Hell, while we're at it, why don't we *discuss and discard http://www.videosift.com/video/Oozinator-Disturbing-Super-Soaker-Commercial then, too - clearly, it's comprised solely of kids getting ejaculated on.


>> ^alien_concept:
Oh whatever. Anyone who defneds this vid, then that's your call. But even if this guy hasn't got a boner for the kid, it's still portraying some kind of sexuality in his humour, or why would anyone be questioning it? And you can bet your life that any kiddyfiddler watching this is gonna have their cock in their hand. If that's cool with you, kiss my arse

"There's only two things I hate in this world. People who are intolerant of other people's cultures...

...and the -Dutch-."

>> ^EDD:
Oh come on, alien_concept. From your perspective one could argue that every diaper ad and commercials for similar products, in which semi-naked kids occasionally tend to be pictured is also porn for pedos.
Hell, while we're at it, why don't we discuss and discard http://www.videosift.com/video/Oozinator-Disturbing-Super-Soaker-Commercial then, too - clearly, it's comprised solely of kids getting ejaculated on.
>> ^alien_concept:
Oh whatever. Anyone who defneds this vid, then that's your call. But even if this guy hasn't got a boner for the kid, it's still portraying some kind of sexuality in his humour, or why would anyone be questioning it? And you can bet your life that any kiddyfiddler watching this is gonna have their cock in their hand. If that's cool with you, kiss my arse



Pfft was waiting for that. Show me a diaper advert where adults are touching and rubbing a baby in this manner and you might have a point. And I hadn't seen that other vid before, so yeah discuss? Let's

*controversy

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Wow, this is the very definition of crossing the line. Bad taste in every respect. I'd like to hear what the intention was with this performance - I suspect with hindsight it would be bloody hard to defend.

Maybe there was an element of innocent fun here and it was deemed acceptable for whatever year this was - yet no one objected to the rather obvious invasive and inappropriate physical contact.

What's the joke?
I'd like to understand. I'm withholding my vote.

Also, I personally don't see the harm if paedos are getting off to this.
At least they're not out touching kids IRL, right? Is that naive?

Hmm.. Alec Baldwin and Canteen Boy sketch?

I scrolled through each comment.. i was thinking, the only way this would be acceptable is under super clear circumstances... apparently those were met for the viewing audience and i can't interpret it the same way, since it is foreign to me.

it's just creepy. wierd to me... there's obviously an explanation that makes it acceptable somewhere... mix of culture and context?

good it made everyone angry; not a bad reaction... unless maybe you were actually in charge of judging this guy... why the fuck am i even watching this

*Sexuality

Invocations (sexuality) cannot be called by yourhydra because yourhydra is not privileged - sorry.

even as a joke I disprove. making a joke a about molestation and rape that prolonged and literal is a bit much, and most would say joking about those things is a no no to begin with. And as the Micheal Jackson comparison has already been made, i think its an appropriate one because personally i don't think him or this guy raped anyone at all, but sleeping in the same bed with other peoples' kids and putting out comedy sketches like this its pretty dumb, and inappropriate.

>> ^HenningKO:
What's the joke?
I'd like to understand. I'm withholding my vote.
Also, I personally don't see the harm if paedos are getting off to this.
At least they're not out touching kids IRL, right? Is that naive?


Hmm yeah, but what about the ones who are watching this AND doing it in real life. I don't think this is going to be a deterrent..

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