The old mindless killing machine, inherently evil sort of vampire is incapable of being interesting as a character because they are 1 dimensional. They can be interesting as a challenge, threat, or plot complication in a story, but not as a character.

Furthermore, making that decision about the variety or motivations of vampires in a fictional story seems like a terrible waste of potentially interesting material. Vampires could be fascinating characters because they were at one time human, they have potentially lived a long time through intriguing history, and they generally are thought to have powers and abilities that would strongly tempt them to be "evil" and either lose their humanity or prey on humans.

Twilight doesn't enrich its vampire characters with a whole lot of that potential background, but it does do some. The series definitely isn't "high art" by literary standards, but I thought the books were OK.

Just my 28 year old dude opinion, though.

Huh? He only mentions the series True Blood.. which was a bloody good imho.

>> ^hertzollner:
Huh? He only mentions the series True Blood.. which was a bloody good imho.


I refer you to 1:10. "Vegetarian douchebags on Twilight."

>> ^MilkmanDan: The old mindless killing machine, inherently evil sort of vampire is incapable of being interesting as a character because they are 1 dimensional.

Craig was talking about evil vampires. Evil doesn't mean going around mindlessly killing things.

>> ^MilkmanDan: The series definitely isn't "high art" by literary standards, but I thought the books were OK.

Twilight is like porn, but for women. Where else can a creepy older male stalker watch a young girl sleep at night and she ends up liking it? Like porn, twilight is trashy fantasy wish fullfilment.

Here we have Bella, a plain girl with no talent, no strength of character, and no redeeming qualities whatsoever. There's nothing interesting about her at all. She moves to a new town and all of a sudden she's the hottest girl, the popular girl, and the most popular boy in class finds her irresistably attractive because of her smell. And this boy just happens to be a powerful 100 year old vampire who would stop at nothing to protect her. Pefect fantasy for any 14 year old girl who is obsessed about her social status and is sick of immature 14 year old boys.

All I am saying is:
-True Blood > Twilight
-Twilight < Shit
I like my vampires in lots of flavors, having played a lot of Vampire: The Masquerade in my day. (I know, I know, NERD.) I hate Twilight though. Twilight is a disgustingly successful capitalization on the feelings of worthlessness people have.

Brokeback Twilight.

>> ^mentality:
>> ^MilkmanDan: The old mindless killing machine, inherently evil sort of vampire is incapable of being interesting as a character because they are 1 dimensional. Craig was talking about evil vampires. Evil doesn't mean going around mindlessly killing things.
>> ^MilkmanDan: The series definitely isn't "high art" by literary standards, but I thought the books were OK. Twilight is like porn, but for women. Where else can a creepy older male stalker watch a young girl sleep at night and she ends up liking it? Like porn, twilight is trashy fantasy wish fullfilment.
Here we have Bella, a plain girl with no talent, no strength of character, and no redeeming qualities whatsoever. There's nothing interesting about her at all. She moves to a new town and all of a sudden she's the hottest girl, the popular girl, and the most popular boy in class finds her irresistably attractive because of her smell. And this boy just happens to be a powerful 100 year old vampire who would stop at nothing to protect her. Pefect fantasy for any 14 year old girl who is obsessed about her social status and is sick of immature 14 year old boys.

Wow.... That actually makes a whole lot of sense.

Give me Fright Night, Near Dark or Let the Right One In any day of the week over this dreck.

The only good monster is one on the receiving end of a chainsaw, wooden stake, or silver bullet.

Intreview with a Vampire had better characters then True Blood or twilight.

I watch True Blood. hated season 2 though.

Well, Twilight is a piece of shit, so it's completely reasonable. Teenage girls love it, but they're all idiots... obviously.

if you want good vamp fiction read Del Toro's new book Strain, it's what TweenLight wishes it were

Buffyverse > Twilight

Accept no substitutes.

>> ^videosiftbannedme:
Give me Fright Night, Near Dark or Let the Right One In any day of the week over this dreck.


I'd add 30 Days Of Night and Nightwatch to the list myself...

I was talking to a girl about Twilight. She said guys don't like it cause they are jelous of Edward. In all honestly...I think she was right

The thing is, Vampires and other mythological creatures are old, old, old and have well established characteristics, behaviours etc. Which allow SOME creative freedom but should NOT be pissed on and dramatically altered as they are by Twilight.

People used to think Vampires were REAL and TERRIFYING MOTHERFRIGGERS, you don't just take that and PISS ON IT. Even Rowling knew enough not to alter her creatures to far from respected lore but Meyer's has no shame in single handily turning Vampires in to trash.

I hate to say it but I really think even being 24 is frigging old these days, it's a wonder that I actually think the youth which are but a few years younger than me, are killing our beautiful literature and turning in to the most empty shit ever written, why are we confusing softcore teenage porn with literature! STOP IT ARGH!

im a pretty big vampire fan. Anne Rice is kick ass...(interview with a vampire, vampire lestat, queen of the dammed) beautiful Gothic Romantic novels they are (romantic in the sense of the Romantic arts, not romance)

i like the true blood series, she was heavily inspired by anne rice, the vamps n the tv show of that are a bit lame, and get better in season two i think. id call true blood a "guilty pleasure"

as for twilight....im sorry but a book written by a Mormon psycho intended to keep teens practicing abstinence, with a typical story and crap characters is puke worthy.

Try Daybreakers on for size if you want another take on Vampires:

http://www.videosift.com/video/Daybreakers-Trailer

http://www.apple.com/trailers/lions_gate/daybreakers/

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