"Troof movement?"

Asshole.

>> ^rougy:
"Troof movement?"


Yes, Troof movement.

It's what intertubes snarksters call the 9/11 conspiracy theorists.

The rest of us just call them "stupid shit crapped out by retards".

So he knew about the first attack before he reached the school, and did nothing. This is news to me, though it shouldn't have been. It seems that even with everything I have seen about Bush, and as much as I already despise the man, there is always a new bit of data that causes me to hate him more.

Dare i say i am almost impressed with his composure. /Ducks

Was there any effort to equip helicopters with the means to rescue the victims who were being forced to jump to their deaths? It probably would have been... you know... worth the effort.

>> ^chilaxe:
Was there any effort to equip helicopters with the means to rescue the victims who were being forced to jump to their deaths? It probably would have been... you know... worth the effort.


Wasnt possible.
The doors to the roof were all locked, and any attempted rescue off the side of the building was too dangerous due to the smoke.

Saw a 60 mins peice on that where they were interviewing the firefighters, and the news crews in the choppers on the scene at the time, their pilots wanted to go in with fire fighters but they couldnt get close enough to see any where to land.

His beliefs and actions non-withstanding he was simply beyond his league as a President for this kind of crisis. I'm sure, a lot of people would have been paralysed upon receiving the kind of news, but he shouldn't have.

>> ^StukaFox:
The rest of us just call them "stupid shit crapped out by retards".


So you can look at all the "coincidences" that occurred on 9/11, the war games, building 7, etc., and not have the least bit of doubt in the "official report"?

For fks sake, from 1993 to 2001 we had a dickhead in the Oval Orifice who dismantled the nation's defense and intelligence capabilities for no greater purpose than masking his and his wife's numerous crimes. Red Chinese spies ran amok, perfecting their missile guidance systems with stolen American missile tech. I don't remember a single left-winger anywhere complaining about it.

If you could place all the undeserved hype and praise for the Obamessiah on a scale, it would about counterweigh all the unfair and despicable lie-beral horsesh-t against Bush. And PRESIDENT Bush deserves plenty of criticism, most of it in 3 areas: spending taxpayer money like an amateur liberal, being a fake conservative and not standing up for himself.

I'd like to hear from any of the armchair tacticians what Bush should've done with that spare 5 minutes, other than don blue tights and a red cape and fly to NYC or nuke the mountains of Afghanistan flatter than an ironing board.

Straight on the phone to the joint chiefs, set up a conference call, order the military to defcon 2, order all airports shut down and any planes not responding to be declared possible enemy and have fighter escort with authority to shoot down if deemed necessary.

More than sit on his ASS for 10 min and then run around thinking about what his fucking PRESS release would say.

"The 2nd tower has been hit, the US is under attack"

THE US IS UNDER ATTACK.....and he asks his advisers what he is gonna say at his press meeting...for fuck sake man, hes the HEAD of the defence force, he could of done several key things to give the army / airforce / navy / marines the power to lock the country down and secure anyone from entering / leaving until the situation had been under control and assessed where the threat was coming from, and how best to deal with it.

You don't sit in a fucking kindergarten classroom continuing to read a book with a bunch of brats when you are told that your country is under attack.

>> ^charliem:
...any planes not responding to be declared possible enemy and have fighter escort with authority to shoot down if deemed necessary.

That has been standard procedure for the last ~30 years, the only time it has not happened, was 9/11.

When a commercial plane goes off it's flight plan by more than a few degrees, it is contacted by air traffic control, if it doesn't respond properly, ATC contacts the military, who scrambles two fighters, those fighters time on target is usually less than 8 minutes from the time of course deviation.

the failure to scramble fighters to shoot down the passenger jets is the one thing that still bugs me after all the "troof" discussions over the years.

As for QM's "bush was better than clinton" defence... lolololol. Good one. Way to set the benchmark real high.

>> ^HollywoodBob:

That has been standard procedure for the last ~30 years, the only time it has not happened, was 9/11.

Can you name one time where a commercial airliner in domestic airspace filled with passengers was shot down by US military?