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dotdudesays...I think this is a snippet from a longer video. The description says:
This video focus is particularly on the collapse of WTC 7 which was not hit by a plane and had only a few small fires. The reason for the collapse of this building is officially unexplained to this day. Unofficially, the video and the associated evidence indicate that the collapse was most likely the result of explosives planted in the building ahead of time.
theo47says...Ed Begley, Jr. is a conspiracy nut, too?
yerwelcomesays...Ed Begley, Jr. I used to know this idiot and he was really nice guy but he was anti-American then and he cooks up these stupid stories now...where in the Hell do they get this shit?
SnakePlisskensays...-
duckfatsays...Anyone want to go in on a tin-foil hat business with me? This crap never goes away so there must be a good market.
dagsays...Comment hidden because you are ignoring dag.(show it anyway)
It does seem weird that this building would have collapsed just because of a fire on some its floors. What's the "official" explanation for this?
deathcowsays...I like the line about the government NEVER providing a reason for the extensive damage or fire in building 5.
I'm no expert but I'm going to think it had something to do with the multiple > 1000 ft tall buildings that collapsed about a football field away...
SnakePlisskensays...-
dagsays...Comment hidden because you are ignoring dag.(show it anyway)
I don't know Snake, but the subway ran under those buildings, so I'm wondering if the structure underneath in that area was damaged to the point that it could no longer support the building.
deathcowsays...Lets put a time-bomb inside Snake and send him into the tunnels to find out.
SnakePlisskensays...-
deathcowsays...I wasn't insulting you, just jesting around your chosen name. Why would I insult you? Certainly not over this clip or your viewpoints! I'm curious about the same things you mention.
As for the load bearing supports all giving at the same time, the fall of the building looked like the fall of either tower to me, a progression of failures and down it came when the moment was right.
I agree it looks and sounds fishy but it's being presented in the most insinuating manner possible in this video.
westysays...Ok if the owner of a boulding seas thay demolished a bulding and then it falls down then thair is no real question as to weather that boulding was deliberatly brought down. so it stands to good resion that boulding 7 was demolished.
aditionaly it would stand to good resion that u wudent want a tall boulding to fall on its side so why not have a method of controle detonating large bouldings? maby u could save alot of lives. with sep 11th it dose seem strange that the planes were left to hit the bouldings and like the london underground bombings simulated tests were been run at the same time it all happend. evan if u dont belive anny of the theries people have come up with and i like to remain sceptical thair are alot of facts that make the events of sep11th and london bombings quite bizar.
barraphernaliasays...It does look very fishy indeed. The fact that towers 1 & 2 collapsed perfectly is very fishy. Although, every time I see one of these things I have to remind myself to objectively consider the source. It is obvious that the purpose of this clip is to convince the viewer that building 7 was taken down with explosives. So my next two questions are: Who made this video? Was this a conclusion that was reached through an objective process or did the creator set out to find evidence that supported his predetermined conclusion.
I bought the moon conspiracy hook-line-and-sinker when I first saw it. Then someone showed me some very rational explanations to some (not all) of the conspiracy's points. So now I just don't know. I would love to see the counter points to this.
James Roesays...the "moon conspiracy" ?!?!?
Raytracesays...that's right. there is no moon.
SnakePlisskensays...-
dotdudesays...I did watch this longer video that is now in the queue, "Loose Change 9/11 Conspiracy Theories". The clip above is not part of it, but the subject of building 7 does come up. There is also mention of who worked in building 7. The video suggests who stood to gain from the destruction of the buildings.
http://www.videosift.com/story.php?id=6149
deathcowsays...> I genuinely wish I could be as apathetic and
> disinterested as most other people seem to be
> when confronted with these facts.
Facts? Lay them out. You mean all that conjecture?
SnakePlisskensays...-
garshsays..."Speed of gravity"? Where did you come up with that phrase?
Fire doesn't normally destroy steel buildings because the fires are usually put out before they get hot enough to melt steel. In this case, the fire department was a little preoccupied with other matters. I'm guessing the sprinkler system failed due to water lines in the area being damaged by the fall of the other two buildings (ref: http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110261.PDF)
How does a steel-framed building fall uniformly? Did you watch how the two large towers crumbled? All it takes is for the fire to stay intense on a single floor long enough to weeken the steel supports at that floor. When some of the supports fail, it causes more weight to be supported by the remaining supports, causing them to fail as well. Then the weight of the upper levels causes them to fail. Gravity pulls them straight down.
SnakePlisskensays...-
Kruposays...The line in the vid where they go on about "pull" amazed me because I immediately thought "right, pull out" from the operation; funny that moments later they came up with the alternate explanation.
More on pulling:
http://911myths.com/html/wtc7_pulled.html
Also refer to Chief Hayden's comments, which show that this line in the video is absolute B.S. (down-vote for this fragment alone)
Fire much larger than this video suggests:
http://911myths.com/html/wtc7_fire.html
No water pressure:
http://911myths.com/html/wtc7_water_supply.html
Not a profitable venture, as described by some:
http://911myths.com/html/windfall.html
(v. interesting first-hand account) http://www.firehouse.com/terrorist/911/magazine/gz/norman.html
"You couldn�t really see from where we were on the west face of the building, but at the edge of the south face you could see that it was very heavily damaged."
We have guys trying to make their way up into the pile, and they�re telling us that 7 is going to fall down � and that was one of the directions from the command post, to make sure we clear the collapse zone from 7 and this is a 600-foot-tall building, so we had to clear a 600-foot radius from that building. Guys are looking at me when I�m telling them to move away, we�re over by the north tower and we got to get out of here."
If you read on, you hit the really sad story about how he found the original firefighters' command post...
http://www.firehouse.com/terrorist/911/magazine/gz/hayden.html
Chief Hayden (who escaped just barely the second tower's collapse):
"By now, this is going on into the afternoon, and we were concerned about additional collapse, not only of the Marriott, because there was a good portion of the Marriott still standing, but also we were pretty sure that 7 World Trade Center would collapse. Early on, we saw a bulge in the southwest corner between floors 10 and 13, and we had put a transit on that and we were pretty sure she was going to collapse. You actually could see there was a visible bulge, it ran up about three floors. It came down about 5 o�clock in the afternoon, but by about 2 o�clock in the afternoon we realized this thing was going to collapse."
Firehouse: Was there heavy fire in there right away?
Hayden: No, not right away, and that�s probably why it stood for so long because it took a while for that fire to develop. It was a heavy body of fire in there and then we didn�t make any attempt to fight it. That was just one of those wars we were just going to lose. We were concerned about the collapse of a 47-story building there. We were worried about additional collapse there of what was remaining standing of the towers and the Marriott, so we started pulling the people back after a couple of hours of surface removal and searches along the surface of the debris. We started to pull guys back because we were concerned for their safety."
Firehouse: Chief Nigro said they made a collapse zone and wanted everybody away from number 7� did you have to get all of those people out?
Hayden: Yeah, we had to pull everybody back. It was very difficult. We had to be very forceful in getting the guys out. They didn�t want to come out. There were guys going into areas that I wasn�t even really comfortable with, because of the possibility of secondary collapses. We didn�t know how stable any of this area was. We pulled everybody back probably by 3 or 3:30 in the afternoon. We said, this building is going to come down, get back. It came down about 5 o�clock or so, but we had everybody backed away by then."
NordlichReitersays...I don't know about this controlled demolition stuff, but a military demo team can demolish a building easy in a matter of hours. Even less, they do it all the time in controlled exercises. and this stuff about it needing to be controlled? Two very large buildings have fallen, and some more around it have been destroyed, an explosion to implode another building is something that wouldn't really matter.
But i have to say that this whole situation is a SNAFU, FUBAR, and Clusterf*ck. There are to many lies and not enough truth, so what ever is true we will never really know. So if there is a conspiracy then it is extremely well covered over by lot of other conspiracies. So i dont see a reason to worry about it any more, its the past we should worry about here and now. The future.
johnald128says...i'm always undecided. these kinds of things dont happen often so there's a lot we dont understand about what would cause the collapse of the buildings.
that said noam chomsky recently signed this petition for release of classified info relating to 9/11. he's denied conspiracies relating to it in the past (see youtube) and is one of the worlds greatest intellectuals, so does seem there's something the government doesnt want us to know about what happened. saying all this - i havent even watched this video, i mean who is this guy!?!
Constitutional_Patriotsays...*dead
siftbotsays...This published video has been declared non-functional; embed code must be fixed within 2 days or it will be sent to the dead pool - declared dead by Constitutional_Patriot.
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