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Ayn Rand's chilling 1959 interview on 21st century ills

In part 2/3 of her 1959 interview with Mike Wallace, Ayn Rand discusses the bounds of majority rule, separation of state and economics, the one party system, and the coming economic disaster. Half a century later, her concerns remain strikingly relevant to modern politics.
rougysays...

You crack me up, stellar.

Your precious "free market capitalism" is defunct and will crumble from greed every time unless it is properly regulated--the evidence is right in front of your nose--yet you keep posting these "free market" icons of yours as if nothing's wrong.

13185says...

>> ^rougy:
You crack me up, stellar.
Your precious "free market capitalism" is defunct and will crumble from greed every time unless it is properly regulated--the evidence is right in front of your nose--yet you keep posting these "free market" icons of yours as if nothing's wrong.


Rougy, I'm sure this has been stated in plenty of other posts as well, but the point here is that we have not had pure free market capitalism AT ALL. So you can't really be blaming it for what is going on at the moment. What you are seeing is the market trying to correct the easy money bubble built up over all these years with caused by artificially low interest rates, fiat money, goverment meddling, corporatism and all such ills. Ayn Rands version of the world might or might not be viable, but PLEASE, dont just blame free-market capitalism.

asynchronicesays...

I think all you need to know is read Rand's description of sex scenes in 'Atlas Shrugged' and you can immediately know 'this person has a very fuzzy grip on reality'. Creative, yes, interesting, sometimes....accurate ? Please. It sounds nice on paper, but don't go thinking this is really a useful philosophy. It's a provoking ficiton, is all.

She writes about the sex the way I thought about sex when I was 13. I have an excuse, what's hers?

vermeulensays...

>> ^rougy:
You crack me up, stellar.
Your precious "free market capitalism" is defunct and will crumble from greed every time unless it is properly regulated--the evidence is right in front of your nose--yet you keep posting these "free market" icons of yours as if nothing's wrong.


Yep. The free market/libertarian viewpoint is simple and appealing, but things are not that simple.
Ayn Rand and her objectivism reminds me of scientology. Where you have a shitty writer, tricking people into thinking their work is brilliant, then wrapping it all in some neat little marketable philosophical package with a name meant to sound scientific/rational. Getting people to join in and intellectually jack off each other in a fucking cult.

rougysays...

>> ^vermeulen:
Yep. The free market/libertarian viewpoint is simple and appealing, but things are not that simple. Ayn Rand and her objectivism reminds me of scientology. Where you have a shitty writer, tricking people into thinking their work is brilliant, then wrapping it all in some neat little marketable philosophical package with a name meant to sound scientific/rational. Getting people to join in and intellectually jack off each other in a fucking cult.


I second that.

>> ^BisH0p69:
Rougy, I'm sure this has been stated in plenty of other posts as well, but the point here is that we have not had pure free market capitalism AT ALL. So you can't really be blaming it for what is going on at the moment. What you are seeing is the market trying to correct the easy money bubble built up over all these years with caused by artificially low interest rates, fiat money, goverment meddling, corporatism and all such ills. Ayn Rands version of the world might or might not be viable, but PLEASE, dont just blame free-market capitalism.


"Government meddling" in what way? That had the least to do with our current crisis, if it had anything to do with it at all.

My problem is with people who have given the idea of a "free market" a religious stature. It's as if they think that nothing in the world will ever get done without it, as if life wasn't worth living without it, as if all you had to do was introduce a "free market" into any situation and the situation would be magically solved.

That's flat-out delusional.

There are a lot of things that simply will not get done if left to the free market. For example: affordable health care, cleaner energy, renewable energy, cleaner environments, job creation and security, safer retirement packages, better education, and a long list of other things that are vital to the welfare of a society.

Enzobluesays...

I don't care if her eyes dart around, she throws clear and coherent answers right back at Wallace without hesitation. Our pols could take a lesson.

Edit: Happiness to me is a sales pitch. I've never wanted to be happy really, just more complete. I take happiness and pain with equal measure and count both as tantamount to my overall education - never giving too much weight to either one. I guess that's where I broke from Rand's philosophy as I don't feel my ultimate goal is pursuit of my own happiness. I also can't feel happiness when others around me suffer, so I'm somewhat altruistic at base and have been since I was a toddler, (so my mother says), and I find it a hard pill to swallow when she tells me I should defy that instinct.

MINKsays...

pretty much all the philosophers i have seen are just publicly rationalising their own faults. the selfish ones say we are fundamentally selfish, the hedonistic ones say we are fundamentally hedonistic, the miserable ones say the world is all shit, the scared ones say the world is an illusion etc etc.

8727says...

>> ^MINK:
pretty much all the philosophers i have seen are just publicly rationalising their own faults. the selfish ones say we are fundamentally selfish, the hedonistic ones say we are fundamentally hedonistic, the miserable ones say the world is all shit, the scared ones say the world is an illusion etc etc.


I notice people often do this too, seems obvious why -but they don't seem to realise they're doing it. Same goes for a lot of what people say.
I was wondering what her idea of an ideal world would be, there's no point criticizing unless you can explain what would make things better and why.

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