New research from West Virginia University sociologists suggests this face-to-face interaction, coupled with a distrust in preventative medicine, led to “excess deaths” among the Amish population in 2020.

The death rate for that year soared above the baseline average from 2015 to 2019, with the largest spike – 125% - occurring in November..

Inbred religious nutbags who spent the last 2 years killing each other because god told them to. You know, like republicans.

This is a very common right wing taking point. Amish and homeless people don’t get covid, because it’s all a lie.

Herd immunity is a myth with Covid because Covid immunity is not permanent, it’s very short lived, as little as 2 months. You can get Covid over and over and over until it kills you.
The same is true with vaccination, it’s not 100% effective nor does it last, but it seems to be better than natural immunity with the added benefit of not requiring you to get full blown covid to be protected.

Also, temporary immunity against one strain does not necessarily make you immune to other strains at all.

Growing up I lived with an amish family for 2 summers. As a city kid it was one of the first times I experience culture shock. They have their own way. Time and time again they have demonstrated they are willing to die in order to keep doing things their way.

Nobody in this video says anything remotely like that. The Amish guy says "we all got covid". Nor does he say that fewer Amish died than English, or that they didn't get as sick. What he does say is that some things are more important to them than trying to never get sick, or to live as long as humanly possible.

That does not seem to be entirely true. It is true that immunity declines, whether from vaccination or infection. It's not true that vaccination gives better or longer lasting protection than vaccination.

From https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.12.04.21267114v1

RESULTS Confirmed infection rates increased according to time elapsed since the last immunity-conferring event in all cohorts. For unvaccinated previously infected individuals they increased from 10.5 per 100,000 risk-days for those previously infected 4-6 months ago to 30.2 for those previously infected over a year ago. For individuals receiving a single dose following prior infection they increased from 3.7 per 100,000 person days among those vaccinated in the past two months to 11.6 for those vaccinated over 6 months ago. For vaccinated previously uninfected individuals the rate per 100,000 person days increased from 21.1 for persons vaccinated within the first two months to 88.9 for those vaccinated more than 6 months ago.

CONCLUSIONS Protection from reinfection decreases with time since previous infection, but is, nevertheless, higher than that conferred by vaccination with two doses at a similar time since the last immunity-con

You might notice they compare apples to oranges…
Different time periods, different shot levels, grouping mixtures, no clue which vaccine or which strain of covid they looked at, they all vary widely…I would prefer more standardized methods if I’m to make sense out of their data.

I’ve read studies that had similar results, and those with completely contradictory results. Some say natural immunity is better, longer lasting, some say the exact opposite. You can prove anything with statistics….forfty percent of all people know that.

It’s better off the bat because you don’t have to get the disease for the immunity…better again because with boosters it’s better than without them, double boostered likely being better than natural immunity in the same timeframes, or if not, close….also better because you KNOW you got the shots and have a widely accepted record of them, unless you get repeatedly tested you don’t KNOW you had covid…false positives happen…and you don’t get a record to show (for travel, etc).

The science isn’t clear, but it is clear that no immunity is permanent and none is total protection. Because all immunity fades rapidly, herd immunity is a myth.

The problem with that approach is that vaccines have potential side effects, some of them severe, like myocarditis. For old farts like myself it probably makes sense to get the vaccine, but for young people and especially children the upside is small and the potential downside is large.

Sweet zombie Jesus, compared to the side effects of getting covid, the risk with vaccination is statistically zero.
Permanent heart, lung, blood vessel, kidney, eye, and/or brain damage, and death just for starters.

The occurrence rate of side effects is almost certainly orders of magnitude larger with the disease….but admittedly I can’t find trustworthy numbers for either.

Specifically for Myocarditis …. 37 “reported cases” after 82 million vaccinations, vs 450 cases per 1 million infections….
“Myocarditis (or pericarditis or myopericarditis) from primary COVID19 infection occurred at a rate as high as 450 per million in young males. Young males infected with the virus are up 6 times more likely to develop myocarditis as those who have received the vaccine”.- https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34341797/

For children covid is just not bad at all, almost no chance of serious complications. Taking a vaccine based on brand new technology never before used in humans is, in my opinion, just not worth the risk for them.

>1230 of them died. The number permanently disabled is much larger. Permanent brain fog is pretty serious if you’re 10.
Also, Multisystem inflammatory syndrome in children is also pretty bad.

In your opinion….ok. I’ll accept that, but in reality the risks from getting covid, even for children, outweigh the minimal risks from vaccination by far. 1231 verified US child deaths from covid… https://data.cdc.gov/NCHS/Provisional-COVID-19-Deaths-Focus-on-Ages-0-18-Yea/nr4s-juj3 …how many verified deaths from vaccinations? Cite sources please.

That position is even worse. Wtf. We know it’s dangerous and we don’t care? Let’s kill grandma ! Yay ! For Jesus ! Let’s kill our parents ! Yay ! We don’t care ! Let’s all knowingly spread a pandemic ! Yay ! Maybe I’ll get lucky and kill a non believer !Yahoo ! What the actual fuck dude.

Hundreds of thousands of orphans disagree with you.

You know what else is a severe side effect? A tube shoved down your throat. 3 months in the hospital having heart attacks and strokes while your family watches. Then you die.

This guy actually says they had communion,knowing they would get sick. Then this pos says,hey ,we don’t wanna get tested,because that would make the numbers go up and that would be bad for business… we may never know how many of these idiots got killed by the other idiots. But nobodies god protected them from covid. And neither did theirs. They knowingly and willfully spread a pandemic across their community and state. Fuck them.

People who are at risk,are put at risk,BY OTHER PEOPLE. It’s not that hard to understand. If you are at risk,but only you gets the shot. You are gonna die. We all get the shot to protect everyone who is at risk. How does any adult human not understand this.

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