I only registered to reply to Choggie and his obvious hatred for anyone other than "Amurikins".

His last post gives people who read his vitriol hope that he'll come out of his obscured world-view. I do have hope but I doubt the clouds will part.

Now to respond to his rants about GR and BO (body odor?) in particular:
We can put forth all sorts of "What if?" scenarios and none would ever satisfy Choggie because he's feels illegal immigration is tantamount to starting WWIII.
From that basis of his position we get wonderful nuggets of truth about "bastards" having "...governments by the short an curlies..."

For BO there is no right answer than deport anyone who isn't here legally with verifiable proof (birth certificate, green card, visa...) whereas for GR, yes enforcement is an appropriate response to illegal immigration but said enforcement is not the solution to drunk driving. Which is what BO missed and will continue to miss while he sees his base "talking points" flashing before his eyes.

We have a unique country in the US of A. One that was understood to be built and supported by the masses who came here looking for a better opportunity. Our environment of accepting all who appeared at our doorstep and agreed to a few requirements to become citizens did so in great numbers and fervor.

There were growing pains as a result of conflicting groups vying for position and power in their respective communities but somewhere along the line we (read: Choggie) lost sight of the fact that we ourselves wouldn't be here if those (read: his) ideas were in place when their ancestors arrived.

In the particular case of illegal immigration and the obvious position of BO, he uses illegals as a level to further the entrenchment of our administrative branch into our daily lives. Choggie is right that there are enough laws on the books to prosecute & punnish illegals however there has always been a lack of funds provided when any new laws are passed which BO never attempts to justify. He'd rather browbeat GR and call him names than discuss that particular subject.

Enfocement of immigration laws COULD have prevented this particular individual from being involved in what is a tragic incident but vsmac is right: Correlation does not imply causation.

Any by attempting to prove such a falsehood at best only puts you this much *holds fingers milimeters apart* above BO in this debate but at worst leaves you looking bigoted and prejudiced: exactly like BO has always appeared.

I'm all for enforcement of our laws and rules within this country. Lord knows proper enforcement would have eliminated a LOT of socio-political hand-wringing over the past 7-10 years but until we have people in office who are willing to step out and do more than campaign to get re-elected every 4-6 years we're going to continue walking this diabolical machine across the global landscape - tearing up the grass and shitting in the yard.

Sorry for the rant.
Brandon