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http://videosift.com/video/Catholic-School-Teacher-Fired-For-In-Vetro-Fertilization

The ONLY difference is I'm assuming that most of us on VS do not object to artificial fertilization. You'll notice that I'm making the same argument in that sift as I am now. The school has the legal right, but that it's a shitty thing to do and that it was shitty that someone ratted her out.

The only difference is who is doing the judging.

Is it still fair that the woman lost her job? If it's not fair for her to lose her job, then it's not fair for this guy to lose his job.

Again, we're not arguing legal rights. That's not in dispute.

I AM GAWWD AND I SHALL JUDGE YOU AND PUNISH YOU AS I SEE FIT!!!!

Now who is making assumptions?

You're assuming that the video was taken without the loved one's knowledge and consent.

So cool, you agree that it's blackmail. Thanks. Guess we're done here. That was easy. Cya later

That doesn't help your case at all.

They mistakenly rat him out to one company and the actual company hears about it? That changes nothing.

Someone still targeted him and became internet judge, jury and executioner.

Angry?? You just love your strawman don't you Don't project your insecurities onto me.

Someone on the internet targeted him, judged him guilty all by themselves, sent the video to an otherwise unsuspecting company and said that we'll judge this company based on what this guy does in his off hours.

It's internet blackmail.

You know who else tries to punish people eternally for subjective crimes? The Christian GAWWWD

Yeah, no. That's pretty flimsy logic. We're all public figures if that's the case unless you manage to shun the internet completely and somehow manage to never offend anyone ever.

You're just reinforcing the notion that this is Internet vigilantism and McCarthyism-style witchhunting.

There's a reason that we only protect people from the effects of racism and that racism itself is not a crime. It's too subjective and open to interpretation and in no way could be judged fairly

that nostalgia guy is such an apologist for anything SW.

I enjoyed the heck out of the movie, but the similarities to 4 was a huge negative for me.

His so called "explanation" for why it's similar to 4 is bullshit. It would be a credible explanation if sequels mimicing previous movies was a relatively isolated phenomenon. But sequels copying previous movies is something that has been going on for a long fucking time, so his argument just does NOT hold water at all.

Sequels mimic previous movies because Hollywood thinks we're idiots and that we don't notice these things. It's that simple. Hollywood has always tended towards safe and simple instead of taking risks and telling different stories.

It's not rocket science.

but now you're changing the question on me.

First, you asked if the company should have the right, and I answered that. But now you're asking if I have a problem with it..and obviously, I do.

Fortunately, those two things don't conflict. Nuance is a bitch, ain't it?

And I didn't ask you if it was fair to expose people. I asked you if it was fair for the poor schlub who is probably already working paycheck to paycheck to LOSE HIS JOB over this nonsense. Public ridicule is one thing...losing one's livelyhood is quite another. Not only he will be hurt for a long time over this, but his family probably will be too.

And hey, let's take this to the logical conclusion. If it's ok for his current employer to fire him. Isn't it alright for his future employers to know about this? Let's make it so that this guy should never hold a job ever again. Should his wife divorce him over this? should his kids shun him? Should he die, hungry and alone in an alley? Where's the line here?

Don't use fictional terms like "free market" and "informed consumer" and apply them to RL. It's very laughable.

If what happens on the internet is so eternal, without looking, name all the names of ALL the bad cops who have killed unarmed people in all the bad cop videos you've posted on VS. Could you even spot them in a crowd? Those cops certainly have done far more damage than this racist has, so it should be easy.

Not so eternal, now is it? You won't remember this guy in less than a year.

You're confusing justice with revenge.

I didn't say that, now did I? In fact my first post, I qualified my remarks with that it was a private company and they can do what they want.

that said. Where was the actual harm done to this company's image? he's a nobody grunt. This company wasn't big or significantly important and whether or not the guy is a racist has no bearing on the tangible performance of a construction-based job.

The only harm, in fact, is when someone decides to be that vigilante and make it known what this guy did and where he worked. In other words, some anonymous stranger on the internet decided to go after the guy and his livelyhood.

is that fair? racist or not? This guy and his words are going to be forgotten in very short order. But his lack of a livelyhood is going to have much further reaching consequences

Isn't public ridicule enough to effect social change on a small scale like this? Why do we have to go after some poor schlub's livelihood who probably already is living paycheck to paycheck?

If it were a public figure or an elected official, I wouldn't have a problem at all with them being fired.

I'm not sure if that TED talk example fits exactly. She was a PR manager right? For someone in the PR biz, that was just monumentally stupid thing to say and someone in PR should know better so I find it hard to have sympathy for someone in that case.

But yeah, it's a blurry line to be sure. For me it's a very potent example of why direct democracy isn't always great and why it's a good thing that we elect individuals to make decisions for us to counter the mob with pitchforks mentality that large groups of people tend to have.

Could you imagine if we put EVERYTHING to a popular vote? Sure some things might become more progressive, but then crap like this would happen. Imagine if the decision to use the nuclear bomb was up to direct popular vote. Our planet would be an irradiated wasteland many times over.

I guess if #7 is going to mimic number 4, then having the old movie mimic the trailer for 7 makes sense.

Hey bob, you're on camera!!

The guy is an racist idiot, but I don't think anyone deserves to lose their job over something like this. He's a fucking grunt, he's not a public figure, he wasn't working and it wasn't like he wore his company's uniform or logo on him or anything and I don't think a company should punish someone for what they do after hours. He was definitely trolling for a fight, but there was no violence, just harsh words, racist or not.

...but it's a private company and racists aren't a protected class and they can fire who they want.

1/4?? I doubt that. Aside from Youtube and Jesse Ventura, you hardly ever hear from the 9/11 truthers anymore.

Thanks for the responses, gang. I guess I'm just surprised that we're going this route since it seems so inefficient. Kinda like the skycrane for the curiosity rover seems so convoluted and so much could go wrong. Which reminds me, it amuses me that they refer to the earlier explosion as an "anomaly"