>> ^burdturgler:
The Gospel according to St. Matthew 7:1-3
(Lk. 6.3738, 4142)
1 Judge not, that ye be not judged.
2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. (Mk. 4.24)
3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?
5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.
>> ^Nlt42886:
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Are you using that against me or against the guy in the video? Because only one of us was judging, I was going by what scripture says which isn't judging. If scriputre says something is true and I state what scripture says I am not being the judge I am letting GOD be the judge. But as far as making judgements go, we are called to make judgments on certain things based on our best knowledge and careful consideration of the situation. Even then we do not say this is DEFINITELY the case. We say to the best of my discernment this is the case. Which still leaves the possibility we are wrong. And we only have to do that on things scripture isn't crystal clear about.


John 7:24
"Do not judge according to appearance, but judge with righteous judgment."

1 Corinthians 6:2
Or do you not know that the saints will judge the world? And if the world is to be judged by you, are you incompetent to try trivial cases?

But as far as judging goes you can't take on part of scripture and use only that...take more....use ALL of what the bible says about it....Here is a whole page on it
http://www.biblebelievers.com/jmelton/Judging.html

>> ^Truckchase:
>> ^Nlt42886:
Second, everyone who claims to be a Christian isn't a Christian.

I guess you're on the boat with selective exclusion. I suppose those people won't have a place in your "heaven" either.
You are a member of a cult and should be treated as such. You have been brainwashed.


You do a lot of "guessing" and "supposing" but everything you just said is all your opinion. You say Christians are exclusive but everyone is exclusive. Everyone has a view that excludes all other views. Your view excludes my view. Even if you say you accept all views that itself is a view that excludes all views. I don't speak my opinion, I let scripture speak for itself. If you are going to say something you have to have some basis for why you are saying it. But if I were to ask you "says who" would you be able to say what you said is based on anything more than your opinion. If I claim to be a Christian and we are talking about Christian things, the bible is the only authority I have, not my opinions. Not what I think not what you or anyone else thinks but what scripture says. Otherwise we could go in circles all day debating our opinions. Scripture backs me up on what I said about everyone who claims to be a Christian isn't a Christian. I am debating on whether or not certain people are Christians not whether or not Christianity is true. If you are going to hold a debate on what a Christian is, you must not go on opinions, you must first assume the bible is true since the argument isn't on what religion is true but it is on what does a true Christian look like on the basis of what the book they hold as the ultimate authority says a true Christian is. See the video posted was about Christians not about why their religion is wrong or which one is right. It starts with the assumption that a Christian DOES exist. He simply states in his video what HE sees a Christian as but that does not mean that is what a Christian is. If you are going to define a Christian you do not go by the way some people who claim to be Christians act. You must go by the biblical definition of a Christian and see if they line up with what the bible says. The bible tells people who profess to be Christians to test themselves to see if they really are all the time. How would you be able to do that if there were not some distinguishing marks of a true Christian? Here is what scripture says regarding false professors.



Matthew 7:21-23

21“Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter. 22“Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?’ 23“And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.’

First of all, by creating this video you are guilty of the same thing you are accusing Christians of. Second, everyone who claims to be a Christian isn't a Christian. The bible is clear in many places that there are a lot of people who will claim to be Christian who really aren't ( Matthew 7). Third,do you hold yourself to the same standards you are holding Christians? Christians are people just like anyone else. We are imperfect we make mistakes and anyone who claims to be perfect isn't a Christian at all according to 1 John. But if you can't live up to the standards you set for other you are nothing more than a hypocrite yourself. Fourth, the characteristics of the people you are describing do not fit what the bible says a Christian is in the first place. That is society's stereotypical view of what a Christian is and Satan has done well at getting people to believe that lie. The people you are describing are self-righteous "religious" people, not Christians. Can Christians tend to be that way at times? Yes! But again we are imperfect. We are all a work in progress that will not be completed until we get to heaven. Are we any better NO. If there is any difference in any Christian that ever was or will be, God made the difference, not the man. You see a person who understands that they have nothing good in and of themselves and their only hope is what Christ has done for them can't boast about themselves. All they can boast about is how wonderful Christ is in spite of how awful they are. I didn't contribute anything to my salvation, God did it all. How can I not show the same unconditional love He has shown me to others. The bible says anyone who doesn't love isn't of God. So there, if the people who call themselves Christians aren't loving, no matter what they say, the bible says they are not truly Christian in the first place.
Lastly, remember Jesus Christ was perfect He never did anything wrong to anyone. He was the most loving person to ever walk the face of the earth. The bible says God is love. And yet they hated Him. They nailed Him to a cross to die.That shows that even if Christians were perfect and perfectly loving in everything they said or did people would still hate them. The bible says Satan is the accuser of the brethren.

Jesus said,

John 15:18-21
18“If the world hates you, keep in mind that it hated me first. 19If you belonged to the world, it would love you as its own. As it is, you do not belong to the world, but I have chosen you out of the world. That is why the world hates you. 20Remember the words I spoke to you: ‘No servant is greater than his master.’b If they persecuted me, they will persecute you also. If they obeyed my teaching, they will obey yours also. 21They will treat you this way because of my name, for they do not know the One who sent me.

Watch This Video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23LaK99PEko