Let's try to find out all deadpool problems
# Many stars for the same video
I post a video, I get one star point and a lot of votes.
Then video dies. AFAIK i temporarly lose the star point and the votes.
Then someone fixes it, he gets a star point, and I get back both the point and the votes.
Then it dies again. I again lose temporarly the point and votes, the first fixer doesn't lose anything (IIRC).
Somebody else fixes it. Point for him too, and so on, and so on.
SOLUTION: a fix is worth less points than a post, and if it dies again, fixer loses points he got.
# Fix is worthless
Someone fixes my video. I find a better embed and i fix it again.
He got the point anyway.
(partial) SOLUTION: don't remove the "2 days" before sending it to dead pool.
# People don't fix enough videos
They wait for 1 day to pass.
SOLUTION: every video gives you points, but less points.
# Video is fixed with wrong replacement
It can be +deaded again, but replacer got the point anyway.
SOLUTION: as before, if video dies again, the point should be removed.
# Someone got a fix but can't use it
Solution could be moderated fix. I.e. he can post the fix, but it's not effective until a gold star passes by and says it's ok (i.e. clicks a button).
I'm sure there were other problems but as of now I don't remember them.
I post a video, I get one star point and a lot of votes.
Then video dies. AFAIK i temporarly lose the star point and the votes.
Then someone fixes it, he gets a star point, and I get back both the point and the votes.
Then it dies again. I again lose temporarly the point and votes, the first fixer doesn't lose anything (IIRC).
Somebody else fixes it. Point for him too, and so on, and so on.
SOLUTION: a fix is worth less points than a post, and if it dies again, fixer loses points he got.
# Fix is worthless
Someone fixes my video. I find a better embed and i fix it again.
He got the point anyway.
(partial) SOLUTION: don't remove the "2 days" before sending it to dead pool.
# People don't fix enough videos
They wait for 1 day to pass.
SOLUTION: every video gives you points, but less points.
# Video is fixed with wrong replacement
It can be +deaded again, but replacer got the point anyway.
SOLUTION: as before, if video dies again, the point should be removed.
# Someone got a fix but can't use it
Solution could be moderated fix. I.e. he can post the fix, but it's not effective until a gold star passes by and says it's ok (i.e. clicks a button).
I'm sure there were other problems but as of now I don't remember them.
11 Comments
dagComment hidden because you are ignoring dag. (show it anyway)
We could go to a fractional point system, which would clear much of this.
If a video was deaded again, I would be inclined to let the original fixer keep the 1/4 of a star.
FletchGotta be a simpler solution out there that doesn't involve star points... hmmm...
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siftbotAwarding looris with one star point for this contribution to Sift Talk - declared quality by pipp3355.
ZifnabCould we use some other point system for dead video fixes?
Maybe a system that gives the fixer a save or promote for one of their own sifts after x dead fixes?
Just a thought I had. I worry about diluting star points.
loorisI miss why you don't want star points to be involved.
I don't want dead videos to be in the sift, because if they are dead I can't watch it.
So, anyone that "resurrects" them, should earn a reward.
Sure, maybe for easy finds sould be a lesser reward than difficult ones.
What about giving
+ 1 tenth if video has been in dead pool for <1 day + 2 tenths if video has been in dead pool <1 week + 4 tenths if video has been in dead pool <1 month + 8 tenths if video has been in dead pool >1 month
a "tenth" is 1/10 star point.
with that said, I like the idea of gaining promotes for own videos.
FletchI just think a system that rewards star points (for anything other than published posts) is inherently prone to chaos, headaches, generating stigmas, fear, loathing, and a complete loss in the ability to live one's life with any sort of meaning or happiness. I mean, let's face it... when you break everything down to it's simplest components, we are all just star points.
That said, I really like Zifnab's suggestion.
jonny# Fix is worthless
Someone fixes my video. I find a better embed and i fix it again.
He got the point anyway.
(partial) SOLUTION: don't remove the "2 days" before sending it to dead pool.
I'd like to see deads go straight to the pool, or at least be able to be fixed immediately by the dead caller. If points get removed for a fix that no longer works, seems reasonable to remove points for a fix that is replaced.
+ 1 tenth if video has been in dead pool for <1 day + 2 tenths if video has been in dead pool <1 week + 4 tenths if video has been in dead pool <1 month + 8 tenths if video has been in dead pool >1 month
From my own anecdotal evidence, age in the dead pool is no indication of how easy or hard a fix is to find. Keep the award constant and balanced between easy and hard fixes.
I kind of like Zifnab's idea, but I wonder if it goes a little against the VS philosophy against self-promotion.
I've also been wondering why if a user can indefinitely requeue his/her own vids, why not saving too? A user's queue limit is still enforced, so why not let a user save his/her own vid? Seems silly that one minute I'd be able to put my video back in the queue, and the next I can't.
ZifnabI kind of like Zifnab's idea, but I wonder if it goes a little against the VS philosophy against self-promotion.
It may be self-promotion, but you would have to first help your fellow sifters by fixing one or more dead vids before you earned a self-promote. I would expect there would still be a daily limit so people wouldn't be able to abuse the system.
It seems that star points changed with 3.0. I remember when a user would have say 5 quality sift talk posts and 46 published videos they would still be a silver star (and usually wonder why they didn't have a gold star as it would say 51 published). Now it seems that this user would get a Gold star at this point. With this change I worry a little bit about diluting the value of star points, which is why I was thinking about other possible rewards sifters could get for fixing dead videos.
Fixing a dead video is the only way a sifter can gain star points themselves. Every other method requires other sifters to "award" the star points either by up-voting their videos, awarding quality sift talk posts, or quality comments. Fixing dead sifts is, therefore, the one that jumps out as potentially abusable. So if a different type of reward was offered then I would think the potential abuse would not be as much of an issue.
Anyways just some thoughts...
loorisin general, it is.
if a video is difficult to find, some people will try and give up, and the video will stay in dead pool longer.
of course there will be exceptions, but in the big picture...
I agree.
Now that we have requeue, save only serves the purpose of giving you a temporary free slot if when used all your slots were already occupied.
And resurrecting OLD videos, anyway.
MINKi am with zifnab on this, i don't think star points are currency, they shouldn't be diluted, especially if it involves complicated formulae and arguments over the "value" of an embed fix.
i am already uncomfortable about having 6 quality sift talk posts count to my star. seems like cheating.
i just fixed 3 deads, i would like to have got a save for that, rather than a star point and two messages saying "don't bother for a few more hours"
come to think of it, i reckon there is a big problem with very good videos being discarded, more saves would be good. if the saved vids are really not siftworthy they will just be discarded again, why worry?
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