I thought the following factoid was cool as shit~

"Bill Finger and I created the Joker. Bill was the writer. Jerry Robinson came to me with a playing card of the Joker. That's the way I sum it up. [The Joker] looks like Conrad Veidt — you know, the actor in The Man Who Laughs, [the 1928 movie based on the novel] by Victor Hugo. [...] Bill Finger had a book with a photograph of Conrad Veidt and showed it to me and said, 'Here's the Joker'. Jerry Robinson had absolutely nothing to do with it, but he'll always say he created it till he dies. He brought in a playing card, which we used for a couple of issues for him [the Joker] to use as his playing card" ~ Bob Kane Interviewed by Frank Lovece for Entertainment Weekly, 1994. Perkowski grabbed the footage from that very flick to create his joker character for this nod to the caped crusader.

Better than Batman Returns and Forever combined iffn ya axe me!

>> ^Ryjkyj:

>> ^ChaosEngine:
>> ^VoodooV:
really? I'm in the "wow, that's pathetic that they don't know when to quit while they're ahead" camp

You and me both. With the debatable exception of Terminator 3 (which was ok) Arnie hadn't made a decent movie in years before he left to be the governator.

Really... Terminator 3?
Fell asleep...

As I said, debatable. Compared to sixth day, Junior, eraser and whatever other crap he put out around then, T3 is citizen bloody Kane.

That said, I wasn't that keen either. Even more reason for Arbus to stick to governating

>> ^Sagemind:

Sad to say, my opinion is to destroy them.
First of all, they'll never get them all so so they won't really be destroying them. If they do get them all, however unlikely, then they would just be culling them back to their country of origin.
By not getting rid of them, it would be like consciously choosing to kill off all other indigenous animals. With no natural predators, these snakes throw the balance out and will only be stopped once the food supply runs out at which point, they'll migrate as far as they are able, further killing off local wildlife. The next logical food source for them would be pets and humans.
Look up Kane toads if you don't think they can take over!
http://youtu.be/4mvV8OT-mmE


A couple words difference and you might have been referring to human beings.

Sad to say, my opinion is to destroy them.

First of all, they'll never get them all so so they won't really be destroying them. If they do get them all, however unlikely, then they would just be culling them back to their country of origin.

By not getting rid of them, it would be like consciously choosing to kill off all other indigenous animals. With no natural predators, these snakes throw the balance out and will only be stopped once the food supply runs out at which point, they'll migrate as far as they are able, further killing off local wildlife. The next logical food source for them would be pets and humans.

Look up Kane toads if you don't think they can take over!
http://youtu.be/4mvV8OT-mmE

I love a good violent action scene but it's starting to get a bit silly. I mean, is this snuff?

Citizen Kane, this is not. That said, I'm so there!

The Joker was created by a couple of Jewish artists, Bob Kane and Bill Finger.

>> ^NaMeCaF:

Joker's joined Judaism now has he?

>> ^Quboid:

@therealblankman - or anyone else - can you name anything specific that Citizen Kane did? How was lighting different?
I've heard that it was the first film to use camera angles to portray power (e.g. looking up at someone dominating) which seems obvious to me and I've never made any films. Also I've heard it was the first to have ceilings on sets, which would go hand-in-hand with more camera angles. Before Citizen Kane, cameras were just placed at the normal approximately head height? That seems incredible.
I assume these weren't actually the first, like in 3D gaming (my forte), Doom is generally considered the first 3D game when it's not and Quake considered the first true 3D game when it's not - they were just the first to really bring this to the forefront.
Edit: Damn, that Touch of Evil shot is impressive. That must have been hell to organise.


Well I could babble on, but really I'd mostly be regurgitating Wikipedia so have a look for yourself... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizen_Kane#Filmmaking_innovations

And I'm glad you agree about Touch of Evil. You should really see the whole movie of course. It's not a "chore" like Kane, the only challenge really is suspending disbelief and accepting Charlton Heston as a Mexican police chief!

@therealblankman - or anyone else - can you name anything specific that Citizen Kane did? How was lighting different?

I've heard that it was the first film to use camera angles to portray power (e.g. looking up at someone dominating) which seems obvious to me and I've never made any films. Also I've heard it was the first to have ceilings on sets, which would go hand-in-hand with more camera angles. Before Citizen Kane, cameras were just placed at the normal approximately head height? That seems incredible.

I assume these weren't actually the first, like in 3D gaming (my forte), Doom is generally considered the first 3D game when it's not and Quake considered the first true 3D game when it's not - they were just the first to really bring this to the forefront.

Edit: Damn, that Touch of Evil shot is impressive. That must have been hell to organise.

>> ^Quboid:

>> ^ant:
Citizen Kane put me to sleep, Godfather was decent but not my type of flick, Star Wars movie was good, etc.

Citizen Kane was a chore, I only watched it because, well, people like this guy. I didn't notice anything special about it at all. I can only assume that the clever, innovative stuff it did has been repeated in every other movie I've seen so I'm accustomed to it. Maybe if I'd only seen pre-Kane movies before seeing it, it would blow my mind.


You've got it exactly right, after Citizen Kane movies were changed forever. The non-linear way the story was told had never been tried, and the camera and lighting were used in completely innovative ways. Hell, in one scene when Welles couldn't get the camera angle that he wanted he grabbed a pickaxe and shovel and dug a deep hole in the middle of the set in which to place the camera!

Truth is though, my favorite Orson Welles movie is "Touch of Evil" with Janet Leigh, Charlton Heston and Welles himself playing one of the most disgusting villains ever portrayed on film. The opening shot alone is a masterpiece, an uncut tracking and crane shot that goes for more than 3 minutes. Fantastic stuff.

Check out the opening scene here... http://videosift.com/video/Opening-shot-to-Touch-of-Evil

No director has ever surpassed this scene... Altman made a great effort in "The Player" and Scorsese came close in "Goodfellas", but still not quite.

>> ^ant:

Citizen Kane put me to sleep, Godfather was decent but not my type of flick, Star Wars movie was good, etc.


Citizen Kane was a chore, I only watched it because, well, people like this guy. I didn't notice anything special about it at all. I can only assume that the clever, innovative stuff it did has been repeated in every other movie I've seen so I'm accustomed to it. Maybe if I'd only seen pre-Kane movies before seeing it, it would blow my mind.

Citizen Kane put me to sleep, Godfather was decent but not my type of flick, Star Wars movie was good, etc.

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That's what was missing from Citizen Kane - freeway car flips. Michael Bay should do a remake.>> ^spoco2:

>> ^dag:
Well how about the free pass that Bay gets to make the same rock-m-sock-em robot movie over and over. God, if I never see another Transformer again in my life I'll be happy.
What's wrong with you? Don't you want to see a car chase on a freeway again?
With cars flipping over?
Come on, we all love cars flipping.
On freeways.

I don't get it. I mean really. None of you knew Kane had him in his back pocket? If the Red Wing were not such cheap Aholes they could of had the refs in theirs.

The Citizen Kane of hiphop videos.

@dystopianfuturetoday, awww, you liked Yeardley. Shucks.

That's a great list, Sarzy, You actually have me super excited about seeing Buried and Frozen. I love those kind of movies. I was hoping Phonebooth would've been better when it came out.

BEST
1. Tooth Fairy
2. Universal Soldiers 3
3. Percy Jackson & the Olympians the Lightning Thief
4. Clash of the Titans
5. Furry Vengence
6. Sex and the City 2
7. Marmaduke
8. Jonah Hex
9. Step Up 3D
10. Citizen Kane