The "Throw Like a Girl" Myth | MythBusters

Is there any credence to the insult, "You throw like a girl?" Here's the answer!
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Double-Promoting this video and sending it back into the queue for one more try; last queued Sunday, June 29th, 2014 4:27am PDT - doublepromote requested by bareboards2.

bareboards2says...

This vid made me sob. Those smiles of observers - both male and female.... how horrible.

I am so glad that female violence towards men is getting attention.

What else is finally getting attention? Something I didn't know about until recently -- the vast majority of sexual assaults in the military are against MEN. Which means men have been sexually assaulted for hundreds of years, a thought that breaks my heart.

This video addresses something that I have known for years -- that men have it bad, but until they start talking about it, nothing will change. Men have needed their own "liberation" movement, too -- to be free from the need to hide their "weakness."

I'm not sure that I would draw the conclusion that "I don't know that [women] have it as bad as we might think." Yes, they do. Women are still murdered by their partners at a much higher rate than men are.

What is changing is that we are learning that men have it worse than we collectively think.

Why this need to make this into a contest about who has it worse, anyway? Let's just fix the problems for us all, yeah?

I think that once men get real about how terrible it is to be under this pressure to be stoic, and masculine, and strong, and start to become their more authentic selves, the violence rate in our society will go down, and men's life spans will start to match women's.

That is just speculation, though.

That is what the Feminist Movement was, too. Women wanted to break out of imposed roles and become their authentic selves.

ChaosEnginesays...

I agree with pretty much everything else you've said. The problem is that any kind of mens "liberation" movement has been hijacked by the idiotic "mens rights" groups. It's not that there isn't some inequality against men that needs to be addressed (specifically around things like child custody), but more often these groups have confused not getting their way 100% of the time with being oppressed.

Regarding assault (sexual or otherwise), I think the overwhelming point there is that we should view from a gender blind perspective. It's feels ridiculous to even have to say this, but assault is bad, mmm'kay? The gender of those involved is irrelevant.

But there are some fairly deeply ingrained societal attitudes that will have to change. Picture the following scenarios:

Bob says something misogynistic to Alice. She slaps him.

Dave the evil kidnapper is finally caught and sent to jail. Someone makes a remark about not dropping the soap.

Both of those are stock standard fictional comedy tropes. The first is that when a man gets hit by a woman, he deserves it. The second is that male prison rape is implicitly funny, because the guy in prison deserves it. Can you imagine the outcry if a writer reversed those roles?

bareboards2said:

Men have needed their own "liberation" movement, too -- to be free from the need to hide their "weakness."

andyboy23says...

Yeah, it's too bad MRA is a total joke. Unfortunately, like ChaosEngine said, any attempt such a movement will probably be hijacked/confused by those idiots.

Imagine for a moment if this guy didn't have video evidence to back him up:
http://videosift.com/video/A-woman-attacks-a-guy-flying-a-drone-on-a-public-beach

He says so himself -- "The police approached me very aggressively, believing her full story, and before anything else was said I brought up something that she missed… The fact that the cell phone in my hand has a camera…that was recording."
-- http://photographyisnotacrime.com/2014/06/07/crazed-woman-attacks-man-flying-camera-drone-public-beach-connecticut/

Hooo boy.

lucky760says...

I never did and still don't understand why they say "her form matches that of Greg" even while overlaying together video both of their throws where she is obviously throwing vertical-stance-and-hips-square and the guy throws horizontal-stance-and-hips-twisted.

Yes, of course females can throw with great power and accuracy, and there's no disputing that, but aside from what happens to the ball after it's released, physiologically it does seem they will always tend to throw with different form than males.

vilsays...

How is this a myth? What is the supposed content of this myth? And the video? Some people throw like girls, then throw even more like girls with their other hand. Then this lady comes up who can throw and is commended for throwing like a man. What?

If you are a man and someone says you throw or run like a girl everyone understands what that means. It means they want to find out if you also fight like a girl.

If you are a girl and you do something like a girl - that doesnt actually merit conversation. Or insult. Ambiguity overload. Could mean anything.

Throwing with your left hand. That has more to do with your favored hand and favored eye than practice and technique. My younger son is right handed but has a dominant left eye. He can hit a target equally well with either hand, same "form". He can probably throw a bit farther with his right hand but not by much. Not so good trying to aim a gun - try holding a weapon in your right hand and aim with your left eye. He shoots like a girl (yes I know there are many girls who can shoot) but he can throw like a man with both hands. For basketball, tennis, ice-hockey, soccer - very useful to be ambidextrous. Probably also skiing, snowboarding, surfing, because you care less about which way you are turning.

Why would you want to take practice and technique out of the equation anyway - throwing like a girl is not just about strength, it´s about attitude and motivation and will to compete. And technique.

And girls very obviously have different techniques to men in sports that rely a lot on strength and aggresivity. Some girls practice with men and apply masculine techniques, others try to find their own way. No one tells Sharapova that she hits the ball like a girl - but that is certainly exactly what she does, compared to Nadal, no insult intended.

Andy Murray now has a female coach, I am sure he will be very careful not to appear to be hitting the ball like a girl.

If you have the same equipment and strength matters you cant help having a different technique.

If all that matters is skill (lets say youre throwing a light ball a short distance at a target) I would expect not much gender difference.

bareboards2says...

I think it is a cultural difference, vil. You are from the Czech Republic. I am assuming you don't have this insult in your country.

Trust us that it is an insult here. Both to men and girls.

vilsaid:

How is this a myth? What is the supposed content of this myth? And the video? Some people throw like girls, then throw even more like girls with their other hand. Then this lady comes up who can throw and is commended for throwing like a man. What?

If you are a man and someone says you throw or run like a girl everyone understands what that means. It means they want to find out if you also fight like a girl.

If you are a girl and you do something like a girl - that doesnt actually merit conversation. Or insult. Ambiguity overload. Could mean anything.

Throwing with your left hand. That has more to do with your favored hand and favored eye than practice and technique. My younger son is right handed but has a dominant left eye. He can hit a target equally well with either hand, same "form". He can probably throw a bit farther with his right hand but not by much. Not so good trying to aim a gun - try holding a weapon in your right hand and aim with your left eye. He shoots like a girl (yes I know there are many girls who can shoot) but he can throw like a man with both hands. For basketball, tennis, ice-hockey, soccer - very useful to be ambidextrous. Probably also skiing, snowboarding, surfing, because you care less about which way you are turning.

Why would you want to take practice and technique out of the equation anyway - throwing like a girl is not just about strength, it´s about attitude and motivation and will to compete. And technique.

And girls very obviously have different techniques to men in sports that rely a lot on strength and aggresivity. Some girls practice with men and apply masculine techniques, others try to find their own way. No one tells Sharapova that she hits the ball like a girl - but that is certainly exactly what she does, compared to Nadal, no insult intended.

Andy Murray now has a female coach, I am sure he will be very careful not to appear to be hitting the ball like a girl.

If you have the same equipment and strength matters you cant help having a different technique.

If all that matters is skill (lets say youre throwing a light ball a short distance at a target) I would expect not much gender difference.

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