I can respect your line of reasoning far more than others; thank you. I personally, as a visual man, find more in the mind's eye than in the verbal. I envison far more than I listen. When I see the woodcutter, even though he is off camera, in my mind, it's like he get's shot, rocks back in agony, and dies with his face smashing into the ground. That, to me, is no more an acceptable video than this.

But here is a question--if this had been the other way around, and the cop shot someone else, do you honestly believe that it would have been classified as snuff? I can almost guarentee that it would not have been--even with the shouting...

Another thing, if they can play this in my class (Which is how I learned about it,) then that shows the maturity of both my class and our teacher.

>> ^luxury_pie:
@<A rel="nofollow" class=profilelink title="member since July 3rd, 2009" href="http://videosift.com/member/bareboards2"><STRONG style="COLOR: #008800">bareboards2 him getting shot is not on camera, only the shooter. you hear his screams however and that is nothing I want to hear, honestly.
@<A rel="nofollow" class=profilelink title="member since May 3rd, 2010" href="http://videosift.com/member/Lawdeedaw">Lawdeedaw I agree with your descriptive text in general. You are addressing a problem I would like to discuss or see discussed on the sift. But that is not the matter I have with the nature of those videos.
I mean if you are used to people getting shot and screaming their last breath (literally) out of their lungs, fine ("whatever floats your boat"). But I do not.
Watching or hearing somebody die is snuff IMO. The other videos don't show it directly nor do you hear anything. You rarely see blood or an open wound. It's a difference.
To the edit-part: It's horrible. We don't have to argue about that. But the difference is the same as the difference between me telling you "Somebody shot Timmy in the woods" and me driving to the woods with you and showing you the actual body.
The one thing is a report and you get what has happened and the other thing is actual sight (and hearing), something that will be in your memory for a pretty while. I don't want to have that memory, I want to know where Timmy is!!!

@bareboards2 him getting shot is not on camera, only the shooter. you hear his screams however and that is nothing I want to hear, honestly.

@Lawdeedaw I agree with your descriptive text in general. You are addressing a problem I would like to discuss or see discussed on the sift. But that is not the matter I have with the nature of those videos.

I mean if you are used to people getting shot and screaming their last breath (literally) out of their lungs, fine ("whatever floats your boat"). But I do not.

Watching or hearing somebody die is snuff IMO. The other videos don't show it directly nor do you hear anything. You rarely see blood or an open wound. It's a difference.

To the edit-part: It's horrible. We don't have to argue about that. But the difference is the same as the difference between me telling you "Somebody shot Timmy in the woods" and me driving to the woods with you and showing you the actual body.
The one thing is a report and you get what has happened and the other thing is actual sight (and hearing), something that will be in your memory for a pretty while. I don't want to have that memory, I want to know where Timmy is!!!

>> ^Opus_Moderandi:

You're all wrong. People seem to have forgotten how resilient kids are physically. She didn't hit her head (so whether she could have is beside the point) and if she did, I seriously doubt it would have done much damage. Hell, I fell off the top bunk of a set of bunk beds and landed on my head when I was little and look at me now.
This was a video of FUN, nothing more.


Sorry the votes win, I'm the fastest.

>> ^Opus_Moderandi:

You're all wrong. People seem to have forgotten how resilient kids are physically. She didn't hit her head (so whether she could have is beside the point) and if she did, I seriously doubt it would have done much damage. Hell, I fell off the top bunk of a set of bunk beds and landed on my head when I was little and look at me now.
This was a video of FUN, nothing more.


As a parent of a young child, I agree. This wasn't THAT dangerous. Even if she hit her head on something it's not the end of the world. Regardless of how hard you try, kids are going to get knocked around.

>> ^Opus_Moderandi:

You're all wrong. People seem to have forgotten how resilient kids are physically. She didn't hit her head (so whether she could have is beside the point) and if she did, I seriously doubt it would have done much damage. Hell, I fell off the top bunk of a set of bunk beds and landed on my head when I was little and look at me now.
This was a video of FUN, nothing more.


Is this from the Michael Jackson school of parenting?

You're all wrong. People seem to have forgotten how resilient kids are physically. She didn't hit her head (so whether she could have is beside the point) and if she did, I seriously doubt it would have done much damage. Hell, I fell off the top bunk of a set of bunk beds and landed on my head when I was little and look at me now.

This was a video of FUN, nothing more.

Amber called her uncle, said "We're up here for the holiday,
Jane and I were having Solstice, now we need a place to stay."
And her Christ-loving uncle watched his wife hang Mary on a tree,
He watched his son hang candy canes all made with red dye number three.
He told his niece, "It's Christmas Eve, I know our life is not your style,"
She said, "Christmas is like Solstice, and we miss you and its been awhile,"

So the Christians and the Pagans sat together at the table,
Finding faith and common ground the best that they were able,
And just before the meal was served, hands were held and prayers were said,
Sending hope for peace on earth to all their gods and goddesses.

The food was great, the tree plugged in, the meal had gone without a hitch,
Till Timmy turned to Amber and said, "Is it true that you're a witch?"
His mom jumped up and said, "The pies are burning," and she hit the kitchen,
And it was Jane who spoke, she said, "It's true, your cousin's not a Christian,"
"But we love trees, we love the snow, the friends we have, the world we share,
And you find magic from your God, and we find magic everywhere."

So the Christians and the Pagans sat together at the table,
Finding faith and common ground the best that they were able,
And where does magic come from? I think magic's in the learning,
'Cause now when Christians sit with Pagans only pumpkin pies are burning.

When Amber tried to do the dishes, her aunt said, "Really, no, don't bother."
Amber's uncle saw how Amber looked like Tim and like her father.
He thought about his brother, how they hadn't spoken in a year,
He thought he'd call him up and say, "It's Christmas and your daughter's here."
He thought of fathers, sons and brothers, saw his own son tug his sleeve, saying,
"Can I be a Pagan?" Dad said, "We'll discuss it when they leave."

So the Christians and the Pagans sat together at the table,
Finding faith and common ground the best that they were able,
Lighting trees in darkness, learning new ways from the old, and
Making sense of history and drawing warmth out of the cold.

The standard procedure of taking the boy to a private screening area is scandalous as it is. Anything beyond a trip through the metal detector is too much.

If you're afraid of little Timmy, you seriously need to have your mental status checked.

>> ^JiggaJonson:

My hat is off to the badass engineering that went into this as well.


not really that bad ass if you compare it to what goes into modern software.

besides this was probably made by Chinese slave children they have to knock out one of these every 40 minutes or they don't get to eat.

its a nice effect though don't think the video would really capture the essence of this its a shame they incased it in glass " mommy look its buzz light year im going to pick him up " , " no timmy noooooooooooooo" ( kids arm is torn and flung across room)

"See Timmy? No two hailstones are ali---OWWW!!!!!!"

I was taught a word too. It was "stupidity". We partook in that while discussing people who couldn't see the difference between a chicken and dog.

What's that cluck cluck? Timmy's stuck in the well?

Timmy After Dentist

"What's that Flipper? Timmy's drowning and is being eaten by sharks!! Come on boy, show me where!!!"

What, Cosmo? Timmy fell down the well??

We netflixed all three seasons, since we don't have cable either. They are gripping and have great characters. We'd get a disk with three episodes and swear we'd only watch one, but we'd be up all night watching them all.

I think John Wayne is exemplar of the previous administration. All brass and no balls. Inspired hundreds of thousands to go to their deaths, but never had the courage to go himself. A real cowboyard.

See also:
http://www.videosift.com/video/Sands-of-Iwo-Jima-Drive-By-Truckers

LOVE ^that pic by the way. Timmy was so little!

In reply to this comment by Issykitty:
I don't have a tv... but if I did I am sure I would be a fan as I am familiar with the show from hearing about it. A friend of mine got me into all of the classic spaghetti westerns. Can't say I care for John Wayne so much. Was that wrong to say? Orange County's Airport here is "John Wayne International." Shame on me!
This is something I need to Netflix soon.

In reply to this comment by schmawy:
Thanks for busting David Milch out of the sherrifs jail Miss Iss. I have a friend who loves westerns but won't watch Deadwood because of the language. I pointed out to him that dozens of people are killed in most two hour western, yet only about four people die in all three seasons. Then again he thinks John Wayne was an actual war hero, so there's really no helping him. Are you a fan of the series?