>> ^cybrbeast:

I highly doubt if it's fair to blame Matt Stone and Trey Parker from South Park for caving in. I think Viacom wouldn't allow them to air the episode like they wanted to. Also I doubt they had anything to do with the take-down notice, because they have said from the start they don't mind people using their stuff, only Viacom does.


I don't think he's blaming Stone and Parker, I understood it as 1/10 because Viacom employed them, otherwise it would have been 0/10. His comment was a bit vague though and I could see how it could also be interpreted from your angle as well.

>> ^rottenseed:

I think Thunderf00t is making something out of nothing. I mean it was pretty cool and all, but at the same time, how hard is it to find people on the internet willing to poke fun at something? Not very...


Agreed. I mean comparing people drawing cartoons to those who actually fought in WW2?* I hardly think posting a cartoon from the relative anonymity and safety of the web compares. In fact, I think it's drawing more on this phenomenon than on any sense of outraged defiance.


* Yes, I know the quote is from Shakespeare's Henry V, but I think the tv show is more prevalent in popular culture.

Your video, Thunderf00t: Why We Won on Draw Mohammad Day, has made it into the Top 15 New Videos listing. Congratulations on your achievement. For your contribution you have been awarded 1 Power Point.

I think Thunderf00t is making something out of nothing. I mean it was pretty cool and all, but at the same time, how hard is it to find people on the internet willing to poke fun at something? Not very...

Wrong, this is the youngest in WORLD HISTORY where girls are reaching menarche. It has to do with the amount of food a girl consistently gets. Often hunter-gather women even after they hit puberty will be sub-fecund, can't get pregnant, until 18, 19 or 20 years old. Your position is completely wrong. It wouldn't serve a purpose, even then, to marry a girl so young, except that she had a tight hairless vagina that would bleed. It really is as disgusting as it seems. Please stay on your high-horse, don't let biology get in the way.

>> ^joedirt:

What ignorance...
You can look from a modern perspective about what is morally appropriate age of consent but you are a fucking absolute idiot if you pretend that 18 years is ok, and say 13 isn't. It all depends on historical context. You have to look at the society at the time.
Go back to Jesus's time. How old was Mary? What was age of marriage in Moses day? How about what would be ok in the US in 1910? What about in the 50s? Hate to tell you this, but for probably hundreds of millions of years, when a female reaches puberty that is when they begin to copulate.
You are fucking idiot if you think it's wrong to breed dogs that under the age of 5 but somehow humans are so different. It's all cultural morals and depends on the society. Do you know what was "normal" in the 700s before you start throwing around kiddie fucker.
You do realize your own great great grandfather was probably also a kiddie fucker, ever think about that?

Everyone should know that BicycleRepairMan is descended from a long line of "kiddie fiddlers"!!!

>> ^joedirt:

What ignorance...
You can look from a modern perspective about what is morally appropriate age of consent but you are a fucking absolute idiot if you pretend that 18 years is ok, and say 13 isn't. It all depends on historical context. You have to look at the society at the time.
Go back to Jesus's time. How old was Mary? What was age of marriage in Moses day? How about what would be ok in the US in 1910? What about in the 50s? Hate to tell you this, but for probably hundreds of millions of years, when a female reaches puberty that is when they begin to copulate.
You are fucking idiot if you think it's wrong to breed dogs that under the age of 5 but somehow humans are so different. It's all cultural morals and depends on the society. Do you know what was "normal" in the 700s before you start throwing around kiddie fucker.
You do realize your own great great grandfather was probably also a kiddie fucker, ever think about that?

Everyone should know that BicycleRepairMan is descended from a long line of "kiddie fiddlers"!!!

Ignorance? Historical context? You're kidding right? Shariah permits child brides. Shariah is followed today. Prepubescent children are being married off right now.
If you really think this is ok because it was culturally acceptable historically speaking, then you sir, are full of shit.

>> ^joedirt:

What ignorance...
You can look from a modern perspective about what is morally appropriate age of consent but you are a fucking absolute idiot if you pretend that 18 years is ok, and say 13 isn't. It all depends on historical context. You have to look at the society at the time.
Go back to Jesus's time. How old was Mary? What was age of marriage in Moses day? How about what would be ok in the US in 1910? What about in the 50s? Hate to tell you this, but for probably hundreds of millions of years, when a female reaches puberty that is when they begin to copulate.
You are fucking idiot if you think it's wrong to breed dogs that under the age of 5 but somehow humans are so different. It's all cultural morals and depends on the society. Do you know what was "normal" in the 700s before you start throwing around kiddie fucker.
You do realize your own great great grandfather was probably also a kiddie fucker, ever think about that?

Everyone should know that BicycleRepairMan is descended from a long line of "kiddie fiddlers"!!!


oh my god, you are way more fucked up than this video is good. And this video is pretty dam good.

Yeah, no, I got that, I was just noting during the video that he was probably trying to employ the tactic of making a fool of the enemy to diffuse their power, rather than shooting back more hateful words.

And I do absolutely agree that the vid far too easily lumps all Muslims into the same basket as the nutjobs who are depicted in it, and I do disagree with that.

I disagree with the video for the most part, hence I haven't upvoted it.

But I do also disagree with organized religion as a whole anyway... although not people's right to follow whatever beliefs they chose AS LONG AS THEY DON'T HARM OR PREJUDICE OTHER BECAUSE OF THEM.


>> ^dannym3141:

>> ^spoco2:
However, there is also something to be said for making your enemies a laughing stock for reducing the fear they can inflict. Once you're laughing at your enemy they seem a lot less threatening.

The point kronos was trying to make which seemed to not quite land home with you - muslims aren't our enemies. SOME muslims are, not all. He's making a laughing stock of them all, and that's as bad as they are.
I agree with kronos on this one. As violent as he THINKS islam may be, christianity has done the same. Yet we have millions upon millions of people practising christianity without the violence, it's been edited out of the religion. Who is to say that's not the same way average muslims behave?
They have their nutcases who take everything literally and want to see terrible things happen and are willing to take steps to see it happen. And so do muslims.
(Do you c wot i did thar?)
Edit:
BTW bicycle dude above me - it may be obvious to YOU that he means those people, but it isn't "obvious". And you shouldn't let things like that rely on intuition, because you're trying to make a statement and reduce the ignorance.

>> ^joedirt:

You banned choggie because some faggot got all butt hurt over taking some "come down out of trees" joke as meaning gays are like monkeys....
But then you allow this bullshit nonsense spurred on by ignorant Thunderf00t spreading racism and hate based on painting a billion people with one brush.

"Fuck islam. Fuck their pedoprophet."
No, fuck queers, fuck jesus lovers, fuck creationists.
How about fuck black people? How about fuck towelheads? Fuck tribal africans.
Fuck jews. We should burn them.

You same assholes would be offended if there was a video about how jews should all burn. This isn't much different.


Again with the defending of Islam by classifying it as a race. Its not a fucking race, its a fucking religion. And yeah, fuck it. And fuck Christianity and fuck judaism too. these are medieval, patriarcal, racist, sexist, inhumane and inhuman ideologies with "values" that belongs NOWHERE in the 21st century.

And yeah, the Prophet Mohammed was a kiddyfiddler. fuck kiddyfiddlers. Religion, or the number of people following it, is no excuse to leave the subject alone, infact it makes it even more important to point out how wrong childrape is, because apparently, when the rapists are devout, people seem to have trouble seeing whats wrong with it.

As Tim Minchin put it: if you protect a single kiddy fucker, then pope or prince or plumber, you're a fucking motherfucker.

You banned choggie because some faggot got all butt hurt over taking some "come down out of trees" joke as meaning gays are like monkeys....

But then you allow this bullshit nonsense spurred on by ignorant Thunderf00t spreading racism and hate based on painting a billion people with one brush.


"Fuck islam. Fuck their pedoprophet."

No, fuck queers, fuck jesus lovers, fuck creationists.
How about fuck black people? How about fuck towelheads? Fuck tribal africans.
Fuck jews. We should burn them.


You same assholes would be offended if there was a video about how jews should all burn. This isn't much different.

>> ^kronosposeidon:

I'm really sick of this guy. I have no problem with 'Draw Muhammad Day,' or even burning an image of Muhammad. It's all free speech, just like flag burning. However I hate the way he insults ALL Muslims. And let there be no doubt, he is insulting ALL Muslims when he says that they're too stupid to even start a fire. He's just as guilty of promoting hate and ignorance of an entire group of people (Muslims) as al Qaeda or the Taliban is of promoting hate of an entire group of people (America, or the entire 'West').
Free speech is great, and I defend thunderf00t's right to make these statements. But people who employ tactics like him just make the world worse. Promoting hatred and ignorance aren't things to be celebrated.


He insults just about anyone who believes in fairy tales.

He's making a laughing stock of them all, and that's as bad as they are.

Uh oh, whose "they" here then? all muslims? or are we just talking about the bad guys. Right. I'll let that one pass. Bad guys only. Get it. aah.. but.. wait WHAT??.. Thunderf00t is as bad as those people for failing to specify the exact group he's making fun of? he is as bad as the people who slaughtered Van Gogh in the street, who threatened others with the same fate for expressing their opinion, the people who scream "death over denmark" because a newspaper that happened to be Danish published cartoons they didnt like?, Thunderf00t is as bad as those people??!

I agree with kronos on this one. As violent as he THINKS islam may be, christianity has done the same. Yet we have millions upon millions of people practising christianity without the violence, it's been edited out of the religion. Who is to say that's not the same way average muslims behave?

Again I'll try with a Catholic comparison, do we all agree that atleast 95% of Catholics are NOT child-molesters? sure we do. Can we at the same time admit that child-milestation is a major problem in the institution that is the catholic church, and that it is a HUGE problem even explaining why so few Catholics see a major problem with their leader (read:appointed half-god) has facilitated in these crimes?, and why so many Catholics rush in to support him?

I implore you to be realistic here: I and Thunderf00t know full well that most Muslims are not violent maniacs, I happen to live in a neighborhood with a large Muslim population, for instance, and can easily testify that most Muslims are easygoing people who just get on with their life. However, I think there are some serious problems with the way Islam makes people think (or rather not think). And as mentioned above, we know from experience that this isn't a matter of a few angry isolated mobs burning flags. Muslims all over the world are simply at odds with the basic democratic rights of other people( both Muslims and non-Muslims.), and trying to pretend otherwise is just silly.

>> ^spoco2:

However, there is also something to be said for making your enemies a laughing stock for reducing the fear they can inflict. Once you're laughing at your enemy they seem a lot less threatening.


The point kronos was trying to make which seemed to not quite land home with you - muslims aren't our enemies. SOME muslims are, not all. He's making a laughing stock of them all, and that's as bad as they are.

I agree with kronos on this one. As violent as he THINKS islam may be, christianity has done the same. Yet we have millions upon millions of people practising christianity without the violence, it's been edited out of the religion. Who is to say that's not the same way average muslims behave?

They have their nutcases who take everything literally and want to see terrible things happen and are willing to take steps to see it happen. And so do muslims.

(Do you c wot i did thar?)

Edit:
BTW bicycle dude above me - it may be obvious to YOU that he means those people, but it isn't "obvious". And you shouldn't let things like that rely on intuition, because you're trying to make a statement and reduce the ignorance.

>> ^kronosposeidon:

He's constantly sarcastically labeling Islam as the "religion of peace." And you know what? It ain't a religion of peace. (GASP!) But neither is Christianity. Nor Judaism. Nor Hinduism. Nor even freaking Buddhism, if you can believe that. They all have lovey-dovey peacey-huggy teachings, but they also aren't afraid to pick up the sword whenever they deem it necessary for whatever god-awful reason. So why is he singling out Islam?


Maybe you should watch his other videos. He is singling out Islam lately because of the Southpark vs Islam thing but historically he has been a lot more anti-religion in general and more specifically anti-fundamentalist Christian.

Maybe hold back on those attacks until you've done some research.

At 0:31 he says, "Although many* Muslims struggle, I mean really struggle with this new-fangled technology of making fire." It doesn't sound like he's differentiating between flag-burning Muslims and the rest of them. He's casting a blanket assertion that most Muslims are so retarded that they can't even make fire.

But it's more than just that. He's constantly sarcastically labeling Islam as the "religion of peace." And you know what? It ain't a religion of peace. (GASP!) But neither is Christianity. Nor Judaism. Nor Hinduism. Nor even freaking Buddhism, if you can believe that. They all have lovey-dovey peacey-huggy teachings, but they also aren't afraid to pick up the sword whenever they deem it necessary for whatever god-awful reason. So why is he singling out Islam? Because he's a bigot? Yes, most definitely.

And that's why I'm sick of this guy. Fuck him. He's the West's counterpart to Ahmadinejad or bin Laden. Put them in Thunderdome. Except let no one come out.

*Bold face my emphasis

>> ^MilkmanDan:

I tend to think his "so stupid they can't even light a fire" was directed more specifically at the flag-burners themselves, and less at Muslims in general. He referred to the group as an "angry Islamic mob"; presumably he would take less issue with a "peaceful Islamic mob", or a "collection of average Muslims". "Maybe the Koran would burn better" could be offensive to Muslims in general, but I would assume particularly so to the flag-burning extremists.