Oh my, I can see why Bill's so upset. That was quite a thrashing. <eyeroll>

buyhisbook, buyhisbook, buyhisbook

Ho yeah, and, er, nice post and all.

No seriously, buy Bad Science, it's like 3 quids on amazon.co.uk, and apart from happily thrashing "alternative" medicine (and regular big-pharma businesses, for that matter) it actually has a chapter on the placebo effect. Its only (minor) flaws are its Brit-centrism, and the fact that it should be actually titled Bad Medicine. I bought a box of these which I distributed to my homoeopathy-loving family. I hope I don't get disowned.

The kid was obviously worried that he was somehow going to break the camera and pay for it through punishment. It wouldn't surprise me if some incident had happened in the past where he unintentionally broke something and got a thrashing for it, making him skittish now about repeating a similar action. Cause and effect.

Do you mean Malibu inlet, up the north end of Princess Louisa inlet? No, I've never been that far up that way. I was born in Powell River, and have spent many happy summers in the area of the Sunshine Coast however. Nice part of the world, and I've always planned to retire there- or maybe as far north as Ocean Falls. Come visit me in 25 years or so!

In reply to this comment by silvercord:
If that happened to me, the Environmental Protection Agency would have had me arrested for fouling the waters with my own waste. I envy your experience. Love Vancouver. Have you ever been north to Malibu?



In reply to this comment by therealblankman:
The croc was pretty cool. I might have upvoted if he'd succeeded in stealing dinner from those jerks .

I'm reminded of a story from a few years back. I live in Vancouver and have spent a lot of time out on the local waters and have experienced Killer whales close up on several occasions- once when out alone in a small 12 foot Laser sailing dinghy I was surrounded by a pod of a dozen or so VERY large whales- a little intimidating to be surrounded by those predators who are much bigger than me and the tiny boat I'm sitting in with my butt less then 3 inches from the water. They circled me several times, jumping and spy-hopping to check me out. One of the coolest experiences of my life. But I digress.

There had never been an attack by Killer whales in our waters on a boat or a person, until about 6 or 8 years ago. There was a graddad and grandson out salmon fishing in a small aluminum boat in the waters between Victoria and Vancouver. The grandson hooked a big Chinook and was reeling it in when a Killer whale, who was part of a pod in the area that was feeding on the salmon, decided he wanted that salmon that the kid had hooked. The whale nipped at the fish, taking about half of it off with a little bite, but the kid wasn't about to give in to the whale. He reeled in as quick as he could, the whole while with the whale trying to take the fish.

The kid actually managed to land the salmon, pissing off the whale in the process. The whale banged against the boat several times, nearly upsetting the little craft. Eventually he went away, I presume sulking the whole time.

I dunno, I think I would have let him have the fish.



In reply to this comment by silvercord:
No problems. People are barbaric. This was an example of that, I suppose. I was more interested in the brave croc that decided to stand up to all five of 'em to try and get a meal.

Thanks for the explanation, Blankman.



In reply to this comment by therealblankman:
Looking at my own comment on your video, I thought I was a bit harsh. Sorry about that, but it really made me angry watching this video and seeing a bunch of fat, rich, ignorant, over-priveleged jerks proving their "bravery" by killing a beautiful animal like that shark. It's exactly this BS that has driven all the great top predators of the world- lions, tigers, wolves and now sharks to the brink of, and sometimes past, extinction.

I might not have been so angry if I hadn't watched the documentary "Shark Water" a few days ago.

In reply to this comment by silvercord:
From Liveleak:

The video, posted last month by the Cape Don Barramundi fishing lodge in the Northern Territory, records an epic angling saga that pitched man against shark, shark against shark, crocodile against shark and, eventually, man against crocodile.

All appears to be going well when the clip begins, with one of the party land More..ing a fair-sized shark as he fishes off the side of a yacht. Things become more exciting when another shark swims in for an easy lunch, prompting the cameraman to note: "Oh! Another shark's attacking him!"

The valiant angler labours on, and before long the greedy interloper disappears and the thrashing shark is dragged on to the beach with the help of a boathook. But the triumph is short-lived. Within seconds the dark green outline of a saltwater crocodile appears at the water's edge and the reptile dashes on to the beach to make a grab for the shark.

Disaster is averted only by the swift intervention of another member of the fishing party, who leaps towards the thief and delivers a warning blow to its snout with the boathook. Suitably chastised, the croc turns tail and swims off.

The video ends with the slightly shaken group posing for a photo around the unfortunate shark. The man who landed it seems a little distracted and has to be reminded there is a protocol for such occasions. "You've got to do the old put-a-foot-on-its-head thing," the cameraman reminds him.

Crocodiles in the area appear to have realised it is often easier to let the humans do the work. Last November the Northern Territory News reported that a three-metre "saltie" spied on a group of fishermen before tucking into the shark they had just reeled in.

If that happened to me, the Environmental Protection Agency would have had me arrested for fouling the waters with my own waste. I envy your experience. Love Vancouver. Have you ever been north to Malibu?



In reply to this comment by therealblankman:
The croc was pretty cool. I might have upvoted if he'd succeeded in stealing dinner from those jerks .

I'm reminded of a story from a few years back. I live in Vancouver and have spent a lot of time out on the local waters and have experienced Killer whales close up on several occasions- once when out alone in a small 12 foot Laser sailing dinghy I was surrounded by a pod of a dozen or so VERY large whales- a little intimidating to be surrounded by those predators who are much bigger than me and the tiny boat I'm sitting in with my butt less then 3 inches from the water. They circled me several times, jumping and spy-hopping to check me out. One of the coolest experiences of my life. But I digress.

There had never been an attack by Killer whales in our waters on a boat or a person, until about 6 or 8 years ago. There was a graddad and grandson out salmon fishing in a small aluminum boat in the waters between Victoria and Vancouver. The grandson hooked a big Chinook and was reeling it in when a Killer whale, who was part of a pod in the area that was feeding on the salmon, decided he wanted that salmon that the kid had hooked. The whale nipped at the fish, taking about half of it off with a little bite, but the kid wasn't about to give in to the whale. He reeled in as quick as he could, the whole while with the whale trying to take the fish.

The kid actually managed to land the salmon, pissing off the whale in the process. The whale banged against the boat several times, nearly upsetting the little craft. Eventually he went away, I presume sulking the whole time.

I dunno, I think I would have let him have the fish.



In reply to this comment by silvercord:
No problems. People are barbaric. This was an example of that, I suppose. I was more interested in the brave croc that decided to stand up to all five of 'em to try and get a meal.

Thanks for the explanation, Blankman.



In reply to this comment by therealblankman:
Looking at my own comment on your video, I thought I was a bit harsh. Sorry about that, but it really made me angry watching this video and seeing a bunch of fat, rich, ignorant, over-priveleged jerks proving their "bravery" by killing a beautiful animal like that shark. It's exactly this BS that has driven all the great top predators of the world- lions, tigers, wolves and now sharks to the brink of, and sometimes past, extinction.

I might not have been so angry if I hadn't watched the documentary "Shark Water" a few days ago.

In reply to this comment by silvercord:
From Liveleak:

The video, posted last month by the Cape Don Barramundi fishing lodge in the Northern Territory, records an epic angling saga that pitched man against shark, shark against shark, crocodile against shark and, eventually, man against crocodile.

All appears to be going well when the clip begins, with one of the party land More..ing a fair-sized shark as he fishes off the side of a yacht. Things become more exciting when another shark swims in for an easy lunch, prompting the cameraman to note: "Oh! Another shark's attacking him!"

The valiant angler labours on, and before long the greedy interloper disappears and the thrashing shark is dragged on to the beach with the help of a boathook. But the triumph is short-lived. Within seconds the dark green outline of a saltwater crocodile appears at the water's edge and the reptile dashes on to the beach to make a grab for the shark.

Disaster is averted only by the swift intervention of another member of the fishing party, who leaps towards the thief and delivers a warning blow to its snout with the boathook. Suitably chastised, the croc turns tail and swims off.

The video ends with the slightly shaken group posing for a photo around the unfortunate shark. The man who landed it seems a little distracted and has to be reminded there is a protocol for such occasions. "You've got to do the old put-a-foot-on-its-head thing," the cameraman reminds him.

Crocodiles in the area appear to have realised it is often easier to let the humans do the work. Last November the Northern Territory News reported that a three-metre "saltie" spied on a group of fishermen before tucking into the shark they had just reeled in.

>> ^JiggaJonson:
I wish Stewart would have thrashed him a a little bit more. There were so many opportunities for him to jump on what Bill O was spouting about that were left untouched.


There was also a lot cut. In the last clip of the second part, they show stuff that was chopped out of the first time they rolled through it. I wonder how many of the edits were just to cut out pauses and superfluous things and how many were to keep Bill from looking like an ass.

I wish Stewart would have thrashed him a a little bit more. There were so many opportunities for him to jump on what Bill O was spouting about that were left untouched.

The croc was pretty cool. I might have upvoted if he'd succeeded in stealing dinner from those jerks .

I'm reminded of a story from a few years back. I live in Vancouver and have spent a lot of time out on the local waters and have experienced Killer whales close up on several occasions- once when out alone in a small 12 foot Laser sailing dinghy I was surrounded by a pod of a dozen or so VERY large whales- a little intimidating to be surrounded by those predators who are much bigger than me and the tiny boat I'm sitting in with my butt less then 3 inches from the water. They circled me several times, jumping and spy-hopping to check me out. One of the coolest experiences of my life. But I digress.

There had never been an attack by Killer whales in our waters on a boat or a person, until about 6 or 8 years ago. There was a graddad and grandson out salmon fishing in a small aluminum boat in the waters between Victoria and Vancouver. The grandson hooked a big Chinook and was reeling it in when a Killer whale, who was part of a pod in the area that was feeding on the salmon, decided he wanted that salmon that the kid had hooked. The whale nipped at the fish, taking about half of it off with a little bite, but the kid wasn't about to give in to the whale. He reeled in as quick as he could, the whole while with the whale trying to take the fish.

The kid actually managed to land the salmon, pissing off the whale in the process. The whale banged against the boat several times, nearly upsetting the little craft. Eventually he went away, I presume sulking the whole time.

I dunno, I think I would have let him have the fish.



In reply to this comment by silvercord:
No problems. People are barbaric. This was an example of that, I suppose. I was more interested in the brave croc that decided to stand up to all five of 'em to try and get a meal.

Thanks for the explanation, Blankman.



In reply to this comment by therealblankman:
Looking at my own comment on your video, I thought I was a bit harsh. Sorry about that, but it really made me angry watching this video and seeing a bunch of fat, rich, ignorant, over-priveleged jerks proving their "bravery" by killing a beautiful animal like that shark. It's exactly this BS that has driven all the great top predators of the world- lions, tigers, wolves and now sharks to the brink of, and sometimes past, extinction.

I might not have been so angry if I hadn't watched the documentary "Shark Water" a few days ago.

In reply to this comment by silvercord:
From Liveleak:

The video, posted last month by the Cape Don Barramundi fishing lodge in the Northern Territory, records an epic angling saga that pitched man against shark, shark against shark, crocodile against shark and, eventually, man against crocodile.

All appears to be going well when the clip begins, with one of the party land More..ing a fair-sized shark as he fishes off the side of a yacht. Things become more exciting when another shark swims in for an easy lunch, prompting the cameraman to note: "Oh! Another shark's attacking him!"

The valiant angler labours on, and before long the greedy interloper disappears and the thrashing shark is dragged on to the beach with the help of a boathook. But the triumph is short-lived. Within seconds the dark green outline of a saltwater crocodile appears at the water's edge and the reptile dashes on to the beach to make a grab for the shark.

Disaster is averted only by the swift intervention of another member of the fishing party, who leaps towards the thief and delivers a warning blow to its snout with the boathook. Suitably chastised, the croc turns tail and swims off.

The video ends with the slightly shaken group posing for a photo around the unfortunate shark. The man who landed it seems a little distracted and has to be reminded there is a protocol for such occasions. "You've got to do the old put-a-foot-on-its-head thing," the cameraman reminds him.

Crocodiles in the area appear to have realised it is often easier to let the humans do the work. Last November the Northern Territory News reported that a three-metre "saltie" spied on a group of fishermen before tucking into the shark they had just reeled in.

No problems. People are barbaric. This was an example of that, I suppose. I was more interested in the brave croc that decided to stand up to all five of 'em to try and get a meal.

Thanks for the explanation, Blankman.



In reply to this comment by therealblankman:
Looking at my own comment on your video, I thought I was a bit harsh. Sorry about that, but it really made me angry watching this video and seeing a bunch of fat, rich, ignorant, over-priveleged jerks proving their "bravery" by killing a beautiful animal like that shark. It's exactly this BS that has driven all the great top predators of the world- lions, tigers, wolves and now sharks to the brink of, and sometimes past, extinction.

I might not have been so angry if I hadn't watched the documentary "Shark Water" a few days ago.

In reply to this comment by silvercord:
From Liveleak:

The video, posted last month by the Cape Don Barramundi fishing lodge in the Northern Territory, records an epic angling saga that pitched man against shark, shark against shark, crocodile against shark and, eventually, man against crocodile.

All appears to be going well when the clip begins, with one of the party land More..ing a fair-sized shark as he fishes off the side of a yacht. Things become more exciting when another shark swims in for an easy lunch, prompting the cameraman to note: "Oh! Another shark's attacking him!"

The valiant angler labours on, and before long the greedy interloper disappears and the thrashing shark is dragged on to the beach with the help of a boathook. But the triumph is short-lived. Within seconds the dark green outline of a saltwater crocodile appears at the water's edge and the reptile dashes on to the beach to make a grab for the shark.

Disaster is averted only by the swift intervention of another member of the fishing party, who leaps towards the thief and delivers a warning blow to its snout with the boathook. Suitably chastised, the croc turns tail and swims off.

The video ends with the slightly shaken group posing for a photo around the unfortunate shark. The man who landed it seems a little distracted and has to be reminded there is a protocol for such occasions. "You've got to do the old put-a-foot-on-its-head thing," the cameraman reminds him.

Crocodiles in the area appear to have realised it is often easier to let the humans do the work. Last November the Northern Territory News reported that a three-metre "saltie" spied on a group of fishermen before tucking into the shark they had just reeled in.

Looking at my own comment on your video, I thought I was a bit harsh. Sorry about that, but it really made me angry watching this video and seeing a bunch of fat, rich, ignorant, over-priveleged jerks proving their "bravery" by killing a beautiful animal like that shark. It's exactly this BS that has driven all the great top predators of the world- lions, tigers, wolves and now sharks to the brink of, and sometimes past, extinction.

I might not have been so angry if I hadn't watched the documentary "Shark Water" a few days ago.

In reply to this comment by silvercord:
From Liveleak:

The video, posted last month by the Cape Don Barramundi fishing lodge in the Northern Territory, records an epic angling saga that pitched man against shark, shark against shark, crocodile against shark and, eventually, man against crocodile.

All appears to be going well when the clip begins, with one of the party land More..ing a fair-sized shark as he fishes off the side of a yacht. Things become more exciting when another shark swims in for an easy lunch, prompting the cameraman to note: "Oh! Another shark's attacking him!"

The valiant angler labours on, and before long the greedy interloper disappears and the thrashing shark is dragged on to the beach with the help of a boathook. But the triumph is short-lived. Within seconds the dark green outline of a saltwater crocodile appears at the water's edge and the reptile dashes on to the beach to make a grab for the shark.

Disaster is averted only by the swift intervention of another member of the fishing party, who leaps towards the thief and delivers a warning blow to its snout with the boathook. Suitably chastised, the croc turns tail and swims off.

The video ends with the slightly shaken group posing for a photo around the unfortunate shark. The man who landed it seems a little distracted and has to be reminded there is a protocol for such occasions. "You've got to do the old put-a-foot-on-its-head thing," the cameraman reminds him.

Crocodiles in the area appear to have realised it is often easier to let the humans do the work. Last November the Northern Territory News reported that a three-metre "saltie" spied on a group of fishermen before tucking into the shark they had just reeled in.

From Liveleak:

The video, posted last month by the Cape Don Barramundi fishing lodge in the Northern Territory, records an epic angling saga that pitched man against shark, shark against shark, crocodile against shark and, eventually, man against crocodile.

All appears to be going well when the clip begins, with one of the party land More..ing a fair-sized shark as he fishes off the side of a yacht. Things become more exciting when another shark swims in for an easy lunch, prompting the cameraman to note: "Oh! Another shark's attacking him!"

The valiant angler labours on, and before long the greedy interloper disappears and the thrashing shark is dragged on to the beach with the help of a boathook. But the triumph is short-lived. Within seconds the dark green outline of a saltwater crocodile appears at the water's edge and the reptile dashes on to the beach to make a grab for the shark.

Disaster is averted only by the swift intervention of another member of the fishing party, who leaps towards the thief and delivers a warning blow to its snout with the boathook. Suitably chastised, the croc turns tail and swims off.

The video ends with the slightly shaken group posing for a photo around the unfortunate shark. The man who landed it seems a little distracted and has to be reminded there is a protocol for such occasions. "You've got to do the old put-a-foot-on-its-head thing," the cameraman reminds him.

Crocodiles in the area appear to have realised it is often easier to let the humans do the work. Last November the Northern Territory News reported that a three-metre "saltie" spied on a group of fishermen before tucking into the shark they had just reeled in.

>> ^moodonia:
It seems brutal and grotesque because it is brutal and grotesque and not remotely like what happens in a slaughterhouse.
None of the slaughterhouses I've been in kill animals by impaling them with a projectile that then explodes inside them, before using the wound created by the exploding projectile as a towing point from which the very heavy living animal is then dragged while it thrashes about in agony before suffering a slow death.
Whales are also far more intelligent than a cow or sheep, who in my experience get an instant kill in slaughterhouse conditions, as opposed to the Whales that get a savage lingering death that would have been outlawed long ago if it was occuring on land. Can you imagine elephants being routinely impaled by a spikey RPG then dragged around by it while still alive?
Comparing throwing stink bombs to terrorism is beyond nonsense.


Sorry, I should have been more specific. Slaughterhouses are very "humane" now, but they weren't always. I'm sure that if there's enough pressure for it, they'd develop a less violent way to kill the whales.

It seems brutal and grotesque because it is brutal and grotesque and not remotely like what happens in a slaughterhouse.

None of the slaughterhouses I've been in kill animals by impaling them with a projectile that then explodes inside them, before using the wound created by the exploding projectile as a towing point from which the very heavy living animal is then dragged while it thrashes about in agony before suffering a slow death.

Whales are also far more intelligent than a cow or sheep, who in my experience get an instant kill in slaughterhouse conditions, as opposed to the Whales that get a savage lingering death that would have been outlawed long ago if it was occuring on land. Can you imagine elephants being routinely impaled by a spikey RPG then dragged around by it while still alive?

Comparing throwing stink bombs to terrorism is beyond nonsense.

He looked like every wasted thrash fan I've ever seen.

catchy tune. i think a cover by some speed/thrash metal band would sound totally awesome.