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Mordhaus (Member Profile)

Cuffed Without Cause

newtboy says...

In a perfect world, yes, but in reality, no.
Police do not have to tell the truth, and if a lie gets them the upper hand, they'll often lie. Asking them to explain your rights, especially after annoying them by being obstinate and repeating to them that you know your rights, is just dumb imo. They have no obligation to teach you or to be honest about them and every incentive not to.....although it would be nice if they did.

Edit: asking for a lengthy explanation after being told 'any answer besides"yes" is considered refusal' is a point where you will be penalized for asking what your rights are....white, black, or purple.

Explain how it's ok to administer a test at any time but this time is harassment because he failed them, please, because that's contradictory.

He parked on the freeway causing suspicion,
admitted to drinking and driving requiring a field test,
didn't follow directions so failed the field test,
then obstinately repeated that with the breathalyzer by not answering yes and taking it. (After being told anything but yes legally means no).
Please, what's harassment there?....because there's definitely something more imo.

Remove race from the equation, and it's a good arrest. Adding race in does nothing to negate that imo.


Edit: I was a white punk with a long Mohawk. I got harassed far worse than this repeatedly, including being thrown to the ground at gunpoint because an officer read my plate wrong and accused me of being a car thief. Attitude usually has far more to do with the outcome than anything else in my experience. When I was polite and followed instructions I almost always walked, even when in the wrong. When I argued, I got slapped hard, like a vandalism charge for a 4" chalk line on a sidewalk or 2 hours of having my car searched in front of my friends house.

If I'm misunderstanding and you aren't claiming this was a dwb arrest, apologies. That's the part I'm debating, because it seems wrong.

ChaosEngine said:

Sorry @newtboy, but at no point in any interaction with law enforcement should you ever be penalised for asking what your rights are in a given situation. It should automatically “pause” any other question until that is answered.

Now, I have no problem with a police officer stopping anyone and administering a sobriety test at any time, but this is clearly harassment and nothing more.

How thieves steal keyless tech cars

spawnflagger says...

Sorry, last message was ambiguous - you need the key fob to be in close proximity to both unlock, and to press the start button.
From the video, the thief driving the car takes his box inside the car as well, which would mimic the key in order to start it as well.

ChaosEngine said:

Wow, you would have thought that starting the car would require proximity to the key as well. That seems like a really basic security flaw.

What happens if you leave the car unlocked (or worse, the door or window is open?

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Cop Pepper Spraying Teenage Girl

newtboy says...

Yes, that's where we differ, because she sure didn't seem to be trying to leave to me, just had an inability to stand still under stress, like many 15 year olds. (And as I've said, it's the macing a handcuffed, secured girl that's out of line imo, the manhandling was just more than needed and was certain to escalate problems rather than solve them, so not smart but on the low end of the scale of acceptability, the macing was a pure assault in my eyes, for no good reason beyond sadism. It was not the right way to get her in the car.)

Keep in mind, she gets on her bike and rides (slowly) with ZERO complaint from the officer she's right in front of, he LET her do it, then got pissed off that she did it. WTF?!
Again, this could have been solved with a simple command to sit down, a command they did not give. Also, detained is not under arrest. You are under zero obligation to submit to detention. If they thought she was leaving the scene, they should have arrested her. Instead, they said repeatedly that they were detaining her for 'cooperation of investigation' (not a crime) and a medical release (something they probably need for their own liability purposes, but not something they can arrest a person for as far as I know).

Yes, the little girl was in the wrong...did my saying exactly that confuse you?

Yes, I absolutely think that if an officer pepper sprayed another officer's child for something the first officer screwed up (like failing to put her all the way in the car) the parent would go ballistic and sue...no matter how their child had acted. Rude behavior is not a threat, the only legitimate reason to use force. I don't think they would see it like you do if it was their child.
Yes, they would also probably reprimand the child too, but bad manners do not excuse assault with a weapon on a handcuffed detainee.

There was no reason to use mace, the proper response is to pull her into the car from the other side.

Your analogy only works if the wolf hounds go after the sheep when there's not a wolf in sight.

Hours? Really? Try an extra 10 seconds to avoid 15 minutes of battle and days of court. "Sit down" doesn't take even that. If they don't have the patience to verbalize the instructions they want followed, they should quit. Deescalation is their job, and they absolutely failed, as they often do.

Remember, they repeatedly say they're only detaining her because she may need medical treatment, then they treat her in a way that ensures she needs medical treatment. If they were really trying to help her, they failed so utterly miserably that they all should quit today...but we know that was bullshit lies, right?

I'm guessing you've never had a gun to your head and a knee on your neck face down in a gutter because an officer made a mistake reading your licence plate and had zero patience for the car thief he was taking down, followed by threats of retaliation if you report them. You might give them less cooperation and leeway if you had.

bcglorf said:

We really do see an entirely different world.

Jenny

newtboy jokingly says...

Run, Jenny. Run.
You want nothing to do with a crazy jealous liar and thief, and she has no respect for your right to make your own choices or even chose your own friends.
This relationship will end with you finding your pet cooking in a pot.
Run.

So there's this construction site...

transmorpher says...

Idiots, the thief and the construction workers.

-Jumping onto of a moving vehicle
-Punching the windscreen(not possible to break with your hand).
-Holding on the car as it continues to gain serious speed
-RAMMING SAID VEHICLE (causing $$$$ damage to your own car)while your colleague is still hanging onto the front.

For what? a $200 bit of machinery? Not even worth the damage you'd do to your hand from punching the windscreen (considering you're a construction worker and your income relies on working hands!) let alone the potential brain damage, disability or death if you come off the bonnet.

I'm also not sure how the law would interpret ramming a car off the road, or flipping it, or squishing it against other cars and causing more collateral than the tool is worth (which you'd have to do to make it stop), just to stop a petty thief. And honestly if you damaged my car to stop a thief, you'd be paying for my car.

Do these people think they are living in an action movie? I know the Terminator jumped onto a car and punched through the windscreen, but they used a hydraulic ram and hid it with special fx.

Idiots.

Would love to see how this ends though cause I'd be very surprised if everything /everyone was fine.

So there's this construction site...

Mookal says...

Anything is worth stealing, if you're a thief.

Work site and worker theft is very common. A friend of mine had over $1k of tools/gear ripped out of his secured canopied pickup while parked at home. Lock boxes etc only go so far if they can be ripped/cut out of your rig. Casing a site or following workers home is very real.

Think twice before you purchase that sweet deal on tools at the pawn shop.

ant said:

"Some construction workers catch a thief trying to steal a drill from a job site in Dallas. A chase and shenanigans ensue."

A drill? I wonder what type of drill it was that was worth stealing.

So there's this construction site...

ant says...

"Some construction workers catch a thief trying to steal a drill from a job site in Dallas. A chase and shenanigans ensue."

A drill? I wonder what type of drill it was that was worth stealing.

enoch (Member Profile)

bareboards2 says...

Me too.

I read a review of Identity Thief when it first came out that nailed the reason she is so very very good.

Silly little slapstick broad comedy, right? And the reviewer said -- I'm watching it and I'm like, what? What is she doing? She's ACTING. She is actually living truthfully each and every beat.

Those weren't his words, of course. I translated them into to Actor Speak from my many acting classes I have taken.

But yeah. She rocks my world.

enoch said:

wasn't melissa absolutely amazing?
i became a fan of hers years ago,she is so talented.
thanks for the love BB <3

Real Shodan: The real voice behind System Shock's Shodan.

ant says...

Thief was cool, but I prefer SS(2) more.

JustSaying said:

Terri Brosius is the wife of Eric Brosius who did the music for System Shock 2 and the first three Thief games. She did voicework for both games (she was Shodan and I think Viktoria too). This clip is from a making of for the first Thief. 'Song of the Caverns' is a level in the first Thief and if I remember correctly one where you could get totally fucking lost.
Go play Thief everyone. It's terrifying.



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