@enoch I agree he is an asshole for trying to get in front of her in the line (which started all this) and for trying (and succeeding) to agitate her. I may have missed it, I didnt hear any "rape culture". Perhaps I dont understand what is meant with that?

To me it seemed the lady was much more (Physically) aggressive than the gentleman. He was being a douche, she was being aggressive which just motivated him to agitate her more.

Tolerating physical action based on verbal abuse opens up a can of worms. All of a sudden we put the judging into the hands of random people. Everything someone says can then be interpreted as abuse and lead to physical reaction. What about a look? Is looking weirdly at someone considered abuse and therefor liable to physical deterrent? Is tasering someone considered ok next to peper spraying them? What about shooting? Where does it end?

That is a slippery slope. I am guessing here, but legally I think verbal abuse is a minor offence, physical action is a major offence.

Was it the employee of the shop or the agitating gentlemen that got fired?

Firing the employee of the shop for not stopping the gentlemen seems extremely harsh. You are depriving someone of their livelihood for not judging well enough if someone else goes over an arbitrary line.

If it was the gentlemen that got fired, well, still harsh. He was being an asshole for sure, but firing someone for that? Does that mean that everyone who is an asshole in traffic should get fired? I think there would not be many employees left.

The raving lunatic with a machete is a clear threat to everyone in the area. Incapacitating him with tasers is far quicker and safer (to the cops and civilians) than trying to contain him with riot shields. Is there a chance that the taser could kill him? Sure. However, the chance is far lower than if you shoot him with a gun. And again, it isn't just the life of one man at stake. The suspect was obviously deranged, violent and unpredictable. At any point, he could have made a beeline for one of the cops or some random pedestrian and done serious damage. That's 30 minutes of putting lives at risk vs 1 minute of relatively safe tasering.

As for the possible positive outcomes... what, he recovers and leads a mediocre life working as a janitor because nobody wants to hire someone with a history of violent psychosis? How many years would it take to reach that point? How much taxpayer money would be spent? Is a single lost cause worth all that time, money and risk? If humanity were on the verge of extinction and every life really mattered then sure, he might be worth it. However, there's no shortage of perfectly sane and productive members of society that don't run around swinging machetes and howling like animals. Society already puts down animals that pose a threat to humans. Why not extend that policy to the most dangerous animal of all?

Yes, because online videos of policing practices are representative of the whole. Excellent comparison, your degree in statistics serves you well. If the civilian standing in his doorway at 0:15 becomes the target for some reason, and this lunatic goes after him with his knife, then is it ok to shoot him? If this lunatic was in the middle of a mall or on a busy street and pulled this shit, I would hope that they would shoot him instead of trying to wrangle him to the ground with shields and batons... to serve and protect and all that. If he sliced up a civilian during this kinder gentler policing, the populace would be screaming for heads and at the police for more assertive action. Give them a taser, give them some non lethal rounds, give them a fine Calvary Sabre but control the situation immediately and remove the threat. The fact is the cops weren't in control at all.

http://www.latimes.com/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-texas-city-council-police-taser-20151012-story.html

His body cam "fell off" before the illegal taze. But I guess if you're a cop anything is legal.

Taser Taser Taser

Use the taser.

Yes you have to say taser taser taser in most places...surprised Oliver didn't know...

The problem in this video here isn't what could've happened to the cop or how threatening the suspect was or even racial bias. That shit is secondary.
A man got shot 2 times in the chest because he did not do what he was told to. He was passive agressive and was murdered because of it. That was murder.
If a law enforcement officer can not subdue a single person without shooting them in the chest, he is either beyond incompetent and his whole organisation needs to be seriously reevaluted concerning their training methods and oversight practices or he just enjoys murdering the shit out of people.
There is no argument that there was not another option how to react. Even if he didn't have a taser, he should have at least some pepperspray. Or hey, try firing a warning shot. If that fails, you can still immobilize the suspect by shooting them in the legs. However, dead men don't sue, right?
That man got murdered and I don't give a shit why. He was killed without reason.

Taser
Pepperspray
Baton
shooting the extremeties

Sure, he had no other option other than shooting the guy in the chest 2 times.
That is deescalation for you? That's the training standard of your police officers? You must be joking.

It seems to me that you folks think cops should be put in dangerous situations and it's always up to the cops to go the extra mile to protect the citizen.

But the cops will go the extra mile to protect themselves. That's a big difference.

You allow for all the misbehavior imaginable and then tell the cop to use Swedish style restraint under circumstances that are evolving rapidly.

Is that what you would do under the same circumstances?

I would contend that 100% of people who comply with the police do not get harmed.

When you engage in risky behavior, shit happens, like that deputy who shot the guy with his gun instead of his taser.

You demand perfection from cops while requiring nothing from the perpetrator.

Well, cops ain't perfect, so your results may vary.

My first reaction was: "they didn't even taser him when he was on the ground, what kind of cops are they?". Respect for all the officers involved, many of their colleagues have a lot to learn from this.

Ahh, I see, the police CLAIMED he pointed it at them during the moment the camera wasn't pointed at him, eh? I'm not sure I can take the word of an officer as fact these days....sadly.
You call it robbery, he was only charged with theft. He had a metal object in his hand, but didn't try to use it on anyone. You call it breaking and entering, but there's no indication the home was closed or that he broke anything, he did enter (trespassing), and did steal a car (not carjacked, so still GTA?), and later a gun (again, only petty theft). My point was it was not reported he threatened or injured anyone (beyond himself) during any of these crimes, so they may not have been violent at all. He was certainly having mental issues. You seem to be saying ANY crime is violent, which you're free to believe, but I'm free to disagree.
No one was seen in danger at the time they ran him over, certainly not in the camera range. In America we aren't supposed to try to kill people for what they MIGHT do sometime in the future, right?
True, they could have handled it worse in many ways, that doesn't mean I can't still see, and exclaim, that they handled it terribly.

I think you said it all in your last paragraph. Deadly force was authorized IF NEEDED, the officer saw an OPPORTUNITY (not a necessity) and took it.

If he truly pointed the gun at someone, it changes my opinion, but unfortunately I can't take a cop's word on that...."he grabbed my taser" (and the hundreds of other lies caught on camera) blows it for every claim they make. Now, if it's not on camera, it didn't happen. Their word is worth less than nothing at this point. They better buy those body cameras quick, because I don't think I'm alone thinking that way.

Talk (officer one was just starting to try this)....then Taser/pepper spray....then shotgun bean bag/rubber bullets....THEN deadly force.
That simple.

As long as my 15 friends with rifles, shotguns, and pistols pointed at your head come with me, and the instant you start to point the rifle at a person they get to fire, then fine, name the date and place, I'll be there with bells on to get to taser you and 'detain' you afterwards. This guy only pointed his weapon at himself, and only fired a single shot directly up....like a warning shot...a thing cops have apparently forgotten exists.
If you need 100% guarantee of safety in your duty, you should NEVER be a cop, or even be in public.
It's funny you always take that position that cops should be able to kill with impunity instead of taking the slightest risk to their own safety, for instance you often say they should never even try tasers even with massive backup because tasers MIGHT not stop the person, so they should just shoot to kill instead if there's ANY risk to themselves (or if they think they can make up a risk...'he grabbed my taser' comes to mind), and you also take the position that cops have this incredibly dangerous job and are all 'brave little soldiers' we should look up to...which is it?