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Elon Musk introduces the TESLA ENERGY POWERWALL

newtboy says...

I use slightly less than that myself on average, but we have solar water heating (supplemented with gas), so that's a good savings (especially since it also heats the hot tub), and we replaced all our light bulbs with led bulbs when they became feasible last year. Now, we usually read between 400 and 1000 watts during the day (depending on how many lights I have on, and if the refrigerator is cycled on or not.) That's running a big screen TV, computer, and often ps4 almost all day, every day. We also have electric stove and oven...and I weld, adding somewhat to our total.

Yes, my battery bank is only useful for power outages. It's enough to keep the lights on and the fridge from thawing, but not much else. We get about 3-4 hours out of it if I don't notice the power went out, but can make it all night if we conserve. Our system is grid tied, and first powers the home, then tops off the batteries, then sells any excess to PG&E. To date, I've never drawn the batteries down to zero...but we do have a small generator to supplement it when the power's out for days. The average home would certainly need more, but a 10kwh battery should be plenty to make it through an average night without AC (we don't have AC here).

My current system could not produce that much, but close. I live in N California, one of the foggiest areas in the US. Because we have a renter, an electric hot tub, dishwasher, and electric washer and drier, we use slightly more than we generate at this point, but my system is upgradeable to 6500 watts of generation (I have less than 1/3 of that now) when panels get cheaper...and when I can find space for more.

My system is not flat to my roof, and I have 2 strings of 8 panels. With the solar water tubes, it takes up most of the south 1/2 of my roof (1200 sq ft home). I could maybe fit 4 more panels up there and still be able to walk around them to clean them, but any more and I'll need some mounting structure. I really want to add a small wind turbine to generate at night or when there's a storm...solar doesn't work in the dark.

In America, we still have some rebates for people adding solar to their homes, but they are drying up fast. 15-20 years ago, you could almost do it for free if you got every rebate available.

We used to have about 1-2 weeks of power outage where I live per year, and that was part of why we did they system. We hated having no power and losing food every year, and also hated paying the ever rising cost of electricity. Before adding our system, we had $4-500 a month electric bills, now we have <$100 in winter and sometimes a negative bill in summer...we pay our bill once a year now, lump sum at the end of 12 months.
On to your second post....
I often think...electric cars were popular and the norm in cities before Ford came along. It's still astonishing to me that it was basically dropped for a century as a technology (with minor exceptions). I'm glad someone had finally gone back to it and is trying to fix it's issues. If I could afford a Tesla, I would have one.

I also agree, people won't adopt the technology as long as they have to sacrifice lifestyle for it. I said the same thing, but I found that I don't change my lifestyle at all with my solar system, I just pay lower bills. I determined that buying a system would pay for itself in under 10 years, with the lifespan of a system being about 20 years, that's 10 years of free electricity! That all assumes electric rates didn't go up, and they certainly have gone up...but not for me. You just need to be sure you install enough panels to supply all your power, and you're there.

The battery thing is really mostly for non-grid tied systems, or emergencies. Most people don't use batteries at night, it's simpler and cheaper to just sell power to the grid during the day and buy it back at night if you can, using them as your battery. Perhaps this battery will change that, but with lead acid, it's hard to make them worth the cost.

Panels aren't that expensive, really. In many areas, with rebates, they can be near free. (some companies will even give them to you and split the power generated off your roof). It's a myth that solar is expensive...when compared to non-solar. Mine are paid for by bill savings already (8 years + in) so I'm saving money with them now, and my lifestyle has not suffered in the least. I have lights on if its dark, I watch TV all day, and use the computer all day, have tons of electric devices I use, and soon will power a pond, etc. I often think that my life is a much better example of how you can be 'green' without much change than Gore's. He really doesn't seem to walk the walk, but he can sure talk the talk.

First Microwave Upgrade in Forever: Infrared Heat Sensor

mxxcon says...

Generally such microwave have heat builtin exhaust vents.

If you are using your stove/oven a lot(like in a restaurant or prepare at least 3 meals a day there), then perhaps it's more prudent to keep your microwave elsewhere. In my last apartment I had my microwave above my stove for 13 years. Other than cleaning light grease accumulation from the front once a year(or even rarer), no problems at all.

FlowersInHisHair said:

Side note - is it a good idea to have a microwave directly above your stove top? What with all the water vapour and heat from below.

First Microwave Upgrade in Forever: Infrared Heat Sensor

This Is How You Balance In A Sub Rising At 29 Degrees

Retroboy says...

Just think though if this was the galley on the boat, and there was this one-quart boiler that was stored directly over the hot stove and normally not cooked with because it was so difficult to reach. With the sub climbing like these, you could actually lean over far enough to finally put that hypoteneuse.

Shit Steve Harvey says

newtboy says...

You're backwards. What he's saying is that reading the bible gives you a 'moral barometer', and if you don't read and believe it you don't have one. He's saying religious people have this device that measures the change in their morals, a change he also thinks is impossible because their morals are designed to be perfect by Gawd.
He's saying atheists don't have a device that tells them what's moral, but he doesn't realize what the device he referenced does (because he's a religious nutjob that loves to speak about things he knows nothing about, it's what they do).

For @Tolwyn, more trees means more baseball bats, furniture, fuel for outside wood burning stoves, but the less assholes part was about you. D'oh! I guess that was too difficult for you to understand?
Just plain ol brain dead stupidity, Steve.

Mordhaus said:

As I mentioned, what he is referring to is the possibility of change in one's morals. In his view, there is no possibility of change in the morals of a religious person because they follow the morals set forth by the religion theoretically. Whereas in the case of an atheist, according to him, there is always a possibility of impending change.

Shit Steve Harvey says

A Hip-Hop Tale of Drunken Debauchery

Orz says...

[Hook]
Hangover, hangover, hangover, hangover-over-over (bend over)
Hangover, hangover, hangover, hangover-over-over (bend over)
Party’s over, it ain’t over
Try to make a bad memory over and over
Hangover, hangover, hangover, hangover-over-over (bend over)
Hangover, hangover, hangover, hangover-over-over (bend over)
Party’s over, it ain’t over
Care to find a single piece of me, game over
Hangover
Hangover
Hangover, hangover, hangover, hangover-over-over
Hangover, hangover, hangover, hangover-over-over (bend over)
Hangover, hangover, hangover, hangover-over-over
Care to find a single piece of me, game over

[Verse 1: Snoop Dogg]
Drink ‘till you’re drunk
Smoke like a broke stove
Don’t quit, take flight
I can’t remember last night
It’s aight, this the life of a superstar
Sci-fi with that boy trooping hard, couping cars
Snoop be hard in the paint
Drink another cup until I fall flat
All lead and then some
1-5-1, done dilly
Really for sure that
I’m throw back intoxicated
Change over, game over, hangover, faded
Body shed, miss

[Verse 2: PSY]
Eeny, meeny, miny, moe catch a lady by the toe

[Pre-hook]
(Take a shot!)
Drink it up and get sick
Bottom’s up, get wasted
Pour it up, drink it up, live it up, give it up
Oh my God, dammit, there’s the fucking limit
Pour it up, drink it up, live it up, give it up

But I can’t stop
Making bottles pop until the wheels fall off

And I can't quit
I wake up in the morning do the same shit
Wake up in the morning do the same shit

[Hook]

[Bridge: Snoop Dogg]
Waking and baking, shaking the flees
Caking and baking, raking the cheese
Early in the morning in the bathroom on my knees
Tipping and dripping, flipping the flow
Whipping and dripping a drink on the floor
This is the only way that I was taught a long time ago
Seoul, Korea, you’ll see a G-a like me-a
Never would there ever be another like he-a
G-A-N-G-S-T-A, nothing left to say
I done smoked my whole day

[Verse 3: Psy]

[Pre-hook] + [Hook]

[Bridge]

[Hook] + [Pre-hook] + [Hook]

CHESS FOR GIRLS !!!

Turn a Beer Can Into The Only Camping Stove You'll Ever Need

Grimm says...

Very second line of the link you provided.

"Denatured alcohol is used as a solvent and as fuel for spirit burners and camping stoves."

I think knocking it over while lit is probably the real danger.

entr0py said:

That seems like it could be unhealthy since denatured alcohol is deliberately poisoned. Maybe burning poison is safer, but I wouldn't count on it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denatured_alchohol

Still, I guess you could use some everclear and attempt to drink whatever's left.

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30 "Life Hacks" Debunked - mental_floss

allanmills982 says...

The way I chop onions without tears is to put the chopping board on a stove top with a range hood. Turn the fan on the range hood while chopping, it will suck away the tear inducing vapour.

How to Let a Paper Airplane Fly Indefinitely

Section 8 Rental - What a sad and upsetting experience

mxxcon says...

Attitude of that guy and some of the commenters here is absolutely disgusting!
Section 8 had absolutely nothing to do with that tenant being a peace of shit!

It is attitude of landlords like this that makes it impossible for good people that need some financial assistance to find places to live!

My (then 86 year old) grandmother is on Section 8. We spent more than 6 months driving all over northern NJ trying to find a place for her to live because asshole bastard landlords would refuse her the moment they heard Section 8.

When she moved in landlord installed an ancient dirty, nasty refridgerator with a freezer door that would randomly open and a stove from like 70s with a 'pilot light' that would randomly go out so her kitchen is always hot and smells of gas.
Multiple complaints to the landlord were rebutted that she has to wait until they have something better and because she pays out of pocket so little, she's at the very end of the waiting list.

What difference does it make to landlords who actually pays them money?! If anything, Section 8 is better for them because they are guaranteed income!
Bad tenant will be bad regardless if they are on Section 8 or not!

Voluntaryism

VoodooV says...

more taxation = theft BS. By living here you are agreeing to be taxed to pay for things we all need. Like that pesky police force we all agree is necessary to a just state.

if you live here, you agree with these terms, thus no theft. If you don't like taxation, get out.

yet again we have this hypocrisy. when we agree to the terms of a contract when dealing with private business, no one complains when a business holds you to your end of the bargain. but when gov't tries to collect taxes you agree to pay and tries to hold you to your end of the bargain, suddenly it's this horrible thing.

If you want something, you have to pay for it and Libertarianism is just a way of saying "I want to get away with doing something that I know harms people" or "I want something but I don't want to have to pay for it" wrapped in delusion of freedom.

people throw around the word freedom but in reality, as @ChaosEngine pointed out. you give people freedom and they use it to fuck over other people. We haven't evolved to the point where we can realiably count on people not to fuck each other over. Someday maybe that will happen, but it certainly isn't today.

Voluntaryism is just Objectiveism and Meritocracy trying to divorce itself from the negative stigma of Ayn Rand. rebranding a failed idea to get gullible people to fall for it again. Legitimized avarice.

boy I sure didn't miss blankfist's one note charlie obsession with statism.

Did the people who come up with these ideas completely ignore the lessons they learned when they first became adults? When we're growing up, we hated our parents for imposing rules on us, when we first become adults and we have a first taste of freedom, we go nuts, we do extremely stupid things, harmful things. most adults do eventually learn that these things are harmful and *shock* learn to impose limits on themselves. Eventually they come to realize that their parents weren't jerks after all and they generally did have a good reason to impose rules on us. Sure there some shitty parents out there and the children of those shitty parents throw out the rules that didn't work when they become adults, but guess what, they don't throw out the system, they just come up with different rules. hopefully those rules are better, if not, we just try again.

There is this false notion of an adversarial relation between gov't and the people. PEOPLE CREATED GOV'T!!! gov't is just the current method by which we impose limits on ourselves. just like we do as we grow up. Sure, we don't have a perfect system. get used to it. If gov't truly wasn't necessary, we would have ditched it a long time ago. someday we will have the ability to self limit ourselves without a self-created third party, but that isn't today.

Probably isn't ever going to change until we evolve genetic memory of our parents/ancestors or we develop a way to download knowledge/experience Matrix-style so that instead of learning the hard way to not touch a stove because it's hot, we just already know it at birth or an earlier age.

Chinese chemist turned political comedian is hilarious

chingalera says...

"He said when he got his driver's license; he signed up to donate an organ: his brain. He said he loved the idea of a complete stranger waking up from a coma speaking Chinese. ~ Neil W. McCabe, The Somerville News

Funny guy AND he can make explosives on any kitchen stove top....Get him, girls!!



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