>> ^Payback:

>> ^VoodooV:
she's funny...but not THAT funny.

She loves herself too much to be funny. Funny people need to come from dark, self-loathing places.


damn straight

>> ^Payback:

>> ^VoodooV:
she's funny...but not THAT funny.

She loves herself too much to be funny. Funny people need to come from dark, self-loathing places.



Really? Maybe it is just the mood I'm in when I watched this just now, but I thought the fact she was having so much fun helped make it more enjoyable. I got the impression that she didn't think she was being funny so much as she knew she was being stupid, and really didn't care so much.

Again, I'm sure if I was in a different mood when I watch this it wouldn't have been NEARLY as enjoyable.

>> ^VoodooV:

she's funny...but not THAT funny.


She loves herself too much to be funny. Funny people need to come from dark, self-loathing places.

All Catholics are self-loathing, it's a central part of the religion

it's called "original sin" - even when you were a tiny, harmless, beautiful baby, you were still a piece of shit.

>> ^Deano:

>> ^Quboid:
>> ^Yogi:
Dude Famous audience members...so far I've seen Jonathan Ross, Charlie Brooker with his wife Konnie Huq.

Peter Snow and his son Dan too, not that we're getting caught up in the celebrity aspect (hasn't Brooker done well for himself, Konnie Huq is yummy!).
Jim Al-Khalili is probably the smartest person there, I've seen a few of his documentaries on the BBC. He's Iraqi I think, and he's nuclear physicist with an Arabic name so he's probably never got on a flight without getting a cavity search before

Jim Al-Khalili's shows are better than Cox's big budget, smiley, standing on a mountain while a helicopter flies around style of pop science programming.


IS THERE ANYTHING YOU FUCKING LIKE!??! Jesus Christ I thought I was a Cynic. Get the fuck out with your self loathing over critical bullshit you fucking faggot!

@TheSluiceGate
hey thanks for the response my friend.(though in bullet form..blech)
i now have a clearer picture in what you were trying to convey,and if i have your stance correct:

1.you found this video to be a glorification of drug addiction and not the religious aspects.

i disagree and your previous comments do also.i disagree that this was a glorification of any kind but rather ones mans courage to put himself out there and explain where he was and what helped him walk away still breathing.nobody goes around and broadcasts how they are an addict and have lost control of their lives.i feel this video is more of public service for those who may suffer and silence and feel they are alone,which is quite common among addicts.we can disagree on this...our perceptions just differ.as for the religious aspects may i just point to your last paragraph.notice anything?

you are free to chastise this man for his conversion to christianity and putting his recovery on giving himself over to jesus.that is not only your choice but your right but please dont say your premise was not influenced by the religious aspects when it obviously was.you said so in your own words.

2.you are an atheist and disagree with my use of "redemption" because of its religious connotations and would prefer "recovery".

i can agree that "recovery" is also an apt term to use but it does not convey in a complete sense what "redemption" conveys.
you dont "recover" from guilt and shame.
you are "redeemed" and this does not have to have anything to do with religion but it does has EVERYTHING to do with brutal honesty.to have the courage to face oneself with eyes wide open and accept the choices...AND consequences.this is a process that needs to happen to start the healing process which can only begin with forgiveness.
to forgive oneself.
this does not,by implication,necessarily mean that jesus has to come in to your life.
or buddha.
or allah.
or the great spirit.
but usually for addicts it is something outside themselves.this could be a person you greatly admire and respect which could help fascillitate a similar outcome.
hence my captain crunch reference.

i would also like to address that your disagreement with me is actually an agreement.
while i agree with your assesment on my over-simplification let me just point out:
emptiness=psychological
pain=physical
my over-simplification was to shave off all the myriad redundancies to reveal the nugget/core.

3.you are not some big meanie.

my apologies if i implied that you were in any capacity.i chose my words carefully in order to provoke you into revealing your TRUE motivation and in that context i succeeded but allow me to apologize for the manipulation.
i didnt want to respond in a presumptuous manner,even though i had suspicions to your true dislike of this video.

and here was my general thinking.
why would somebody find a video where a man admits,on VIDEO,how he almost killed himself due to his addictions and lost that which was most dear,and his consequent "recovery",be perceived as a bad thing?
and the only conclusion i could come up with was the "jesus" factor as being the bitter pill.
just look at the views to votes ratio.you are not exactly alone my friend.

would you feel the same way if this man had started recovery from meeting a distinguished scientist? or philosopher?
who helped him see the world differently and hence gave him the courage to face what he needed to face?
i presume (falsely maybe) that you and many on this site would have cheered this man for his courage but since this man gave his life to jesus and credits jesus for his recovery he is relegated to the silly bin.
my response is:whatever works for ya.do it and do it NOW.if that means jesus or the FSM then by all means...have at it.

i AM an ex-junkie.
and i dont mean i had a small "problem" but i was the rip-snorting we-are-going-for-a-fucking-ride kinda junkie.
the wake up across state lines on the beach-how the fuck did i get here kinda junkie.
i assist those who wish to be clean.
i let them stay in my spare room so they can go through detox (worst experience a person can endure imo).
i do not judge.
i do not preach.
i make it ok.
because i am fluent in the language of the broken and forsaken because i was once just like them.
this is mainly where my "nobody can do it alone" comment was inspired.because a junkie cannot get clean by him/herself.their self loathing is too dominant and the desire to numb themselves from their own past too strong an impulse to ignore.

so when you see a junkie you may (rightly so) see a person who has made some bad choices.maybe you hope they will seek treatment and get better but they need to accept responsibility.
i agree with that, but you judge them while not understanding THEY have already judged themselves and their judgment is so much harsher than you could ever imagine.they believe themselves to be less than nothing and execute that verdict with a raging self-hatred everytime they use.which then becomes a never-ending cycle of guilt and shame.

i attempt to break that cycle for those who seek to become healthy and whole again.sometimes i succeed but more often i fail.
so if jesus is a part of somebody finding the strength and courage to face their demons then who are we to judge?

i do hope you take this comment in the spirit it was written.
with honesty and respect.i truly appreciate your contributions to this subject (which is obviously close to home for me) and indulging my curiosity with how an atheist views subjects such as these.
it would be interesting to see how many votes a video similar to this would get if there was no reference to jesus or god.

thank you TSG.

I got tired of marc maron years ago, listening to his air america morning show.

>> ^spoco2:

Oh man, I've been listening to WTF a fair bit lately, but yeah, Marc definitely has that 'think how everything relates back to me and how the world observes me.
If I hear him say how he was the doorman at the damn comedy club one more time to a guest. WE GET IT, you've been around for a long time. You're not super famous, get the FUCK over it.
It's the perfect recipe for self loathing and misery... always thinking about yourself rather than others. It's very much what Stephen Fry says in regards to the 'I Mode'... listen to others, be interested in others. Get out of YOUR HEAD and focus on doing things and making yourself and others happy by not whinging about what is wrong, but celebrating what is right.
>> ^rottenseed:
BTW, I started getting annoyed with Marc Maron. He comes off as a self-important sycophant to me. I think it's because he hates himself so much...>> ^kymbos:
I'm a bit sad to say I'm slowly falling out of love with Louis and Marc Maron. I'm not sure what to do about it.
Dave Chappelle, please start a twice weekly podcast, I'm begging you!

Oh man, I've been listening to WTF a fair bit lately, but yeah, Marc definitely has that 'think how everything relates back to me and how the world observes me.

If I hear him say how he was the doorman at the damn comedy club one more time to a guest. WE GET IT, you've been around for a long time. You're not super famous, get the FUCK over it.

It's the perfect recipe for self loathing and misery... always thinking about yourself rather than others. It's very much what Stephen Fry says in regards to the 'I Mode'... listen to others, be interested in others. Get out of YOUR HEAD and focus on doing things and making yourself and others happy by not whinging about what is wrong, but celebrating what is right.

>> ^rottenseed:
BTW, I started getting annoyed with Marc Maron. He comes off as a self-important sycophant to me. I think it's because he hates himself so much...>> ^kymbos:
I'm a bit sad to say I'm slowly falling out of love with Louis and Marc Maron. I'm not sure what to do about it.
Dave Chappelle, please start a twice weekly podcast, I'm begging you!

>> ^marinara:

love breaks the addiction. good luck finding it though


love and forgiveness my friend.
very powerful in their ability to heal but you are correct.
hard to find.
for two main reasons in my opinion.
1.the addicts own self-loathing and feelings of unworthiness.
2.peoples judgmental aversion to someone so obviously broken.in this societies perception of choice/consequence along with the seriously flawed 'pull yourself up by your boot-straps" mentality.the addict is blamed,judged and left to suffer for their choices,all the while ignoring the huge elephant in the room:who among us aspires to be a junkie?

it is that first step of recognizing that person as a human being worthy of love,compassion and understanding that can be so very powerful to begin the long and arduous path to wellness.

right on @marinara

>> ^dystopianfuturetoday:

Top Amazon review:
To Train Up A Child
527 of 565 people found the following review helpful:
1.0 out of 5 stars Thoughts of someone whose mother used this book, November 15, 2010
By
M. Gray - See all my reviews
This review is from: To Train Up A Child (Paperback)
My mother was given this book while I was a child. Wanting to raise a well-behaved child, she would spank me with a belt. She is proud of me. I am a senior at Princeton University and practicing Catholic. However, today my mother would tell you that I am these things in spite of the teachings of "To Train Up a Child," in spite of the self-loathing and insecurity caused by whippings which would not end until I could pretend to be content. Pretend to embrace the necessity for my own torture.
I was abused. Please do not look to this book for guidance.


This was disturbing. It was like I was watching the same clip of the other couple months back. You can tell their is a strange mindset at play here.

Usually, the definition of psychology for someone will be doled out with complexes, traits, disorders, bi-polar, psychopathy, sociopath, etc... This is reserved for a single person of one mind, of course. But this shows that there is an undeniable new entry for a couples and groups; a couple that has many children and are highly religious. With just the right catalysts, like that evil book you linked and which was talked about, it becomes something else. Their co-habitual drug of fun was given a test drive: the book or simply, their "rod". But, they wanted to fly; to take it farther. So they took that book and made each answer stronger, more correct. ...And how could they be wrong when God made them feel so good...

Scary stuff. I'm sorry for what happened to you @dystopianfuturetoday . Parents have a tough job, but punishing your child with full on physical force is not an answer. There are atleast 100 better books on parenting than these idiotic "Christian's Force Rod!" type books.

Top Amazon review:
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To Train Up A Child

527 of 565 people found the following review helpful:
1.0 out of 5 stars Thoughts of someone whose mother used this book, November 15, 2010
By
M. Gray - See all my reviews
This review is from: To Train Up A Child (Paperback)
My mother was given this book while I was a child. Wanting to raise a well-behaved child, she would spank me with a belt. She is proud of me. I am a senior at Princeton University and practicing Catholic. However, today my mother would tell you that I am these things in spite of the teachings of "To Train Up a Child," in spite of the self-loathing and insecurity caused by whippings which would not end until I could pretend to be content. Pretend to embrace the necessity for my own torture.

I was abused. Please do not look to this book for guidance.
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EDIT [I was not abused. My parents were kind, loving and supportive. Sorry if my cut and pasting was not clear]

Wait a second, are you saying that you have a leftist political agenda? So, let me get this straight you're a self-loathing leftist?!

>> ^quantumushroom:

My political agenda is individual rights, freedom and property rights>> ^quantumushroom:
Herp Derp

>> ^peggedbea:

so... do i have to be a seething, self-loathing, latent homosexual with a terrifying, sociopath wife to get a an army of gay barbarians to dance to gaga outside of my office????


No, but apparently it works.