It's unfair this being so funny. I'm still emotionally traumatized from the red wedding.

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A "Rains of Castamere" montage would have been excellent, but I actually really liked Catelyns death. There was this sense of just numbness from her, that she's been through so much she can't even function any more.

But yeah, the red wedding was definitely one of the high points in the story. Martin really needs to get the story moving again in the next book.

Everything up to that last minute or two I thought was good as well. I was really hoping (and therein lies my mistake ) that they would make the entire combination of scenes in that time-space a montage to Rains of Castamere. In the book, everything happened all at once, and it was so dramatic.
In the show, I felt the directing was amateurish and terrible for the most part, especially the last minute or two. It was totally 4th-wall breaking, and just awkward, and just...
*spoilers*
When that last guard comes out to slit Cats neck, after way too many moments of her staring into space, it was like one of the extras said "oh shit! I'm on!" I didn't feel nearly as much remorse for the mother in her, and the silence for her and Robs deaths was just awkward and amateur.
I do agree with the points you made though. I loved that sly smile that Frey gives Rob at the actual wedding. Very good presentation with that, and I could appreciate it for what it was (intending to set that "all is well and happy!" tone for the audience).

Probably the main reason I'm upset is because I just finished the 5th book, and really, the Red Wedding is the last scene that really shook me, and felt extremely well-written. After this, I don't have much reason to watch the show anymore.

I've heard A Storm of Swords will be split into seasons 3 & 4. Knowing the Red Wedding is coming is a little sad... some of my favorite characters are going to die there, but at least Arya's transformation is coming as well. That ought to be awesome.

Excellent. I couldn't read the Red Wedding without the Rains of Castamere playing in the background. In reply to this comment by gwiz665:
fixd it. ;
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*dead :

>> ^JiggaJonson:

>> ^shuac:
>> ^JiggaJonson:
Danarys is not supposed to get the unsullied until the third book... -_-
Part of why I've liked the series so far is the fact that they followed the books so closely. I'm gonna be disappointed if they stray from that formula.

Christ, there's only been one season so far. How could you get used to that aspect so quickly? Especially since it isn't true: toward the end of season 1, they dip into book 2 a little bit (Arya and Gendry joining Yoren for their trip to the wall)...so I'm just gonna call a little bullshit on you. Just a tinsy bit, mind you.
Besides...all the books after book 1 do not have enough going on to warrant their own 10 episode arc. Not like book 1 had. So in short: they are absolutely picking & choosing the best story elements of book 2 and 3 for season 2. Live with it. Or don't.
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I trust the show runners to understand that to have, for example, the red wedding in season 2 would be too early. That's probably a season 3 storyline. But as far as Daenerys goes: what does she actually do for all of book 2? Not that much: she travels the desert, goes to Qarth, and walks through that magic room maze thing. Yaaaawn.
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My big concern is getting HBO to see the series through to the end without canceling it. That's the real cliffhanger.

I'm sorry, bullshit on what, exactly? That they didn't stick to the story line of the book in the first season?

The only glaring example of that, I can think of in the first season, is when Caitlyn visits Jamie Lanister at the camp and gets him to admit pushing Brann out of the window. That and I guess the part you mentioned. But, to be fair, Arya's last chapter in Game of Thrones ends with him cutting off her hair and telling her to go with him; the show shows her being called to the cart right after that happened. That insignificant difference is far cry from introducing an entirely new set of characters/plot element from a different book a whole season too soon.
Find me more glaring examples of not closely following the plot and we'll have something to discuss, until then...
throws bullshit back @shuac


They are doing their best to keep each season within the book it's supposed to parallel but the big issue is the the books get bigger. A Clash of Kings is longer than A Game of Thrones by a bit and A Storm of Swords is substantially longer than both of those. *Spoiler Alert* To be able to fit the red wedding into the end of season 3 they are going to need to get started with a bit of book 3 at the end of the 2nd season. These guys have done a fantastic job of adapting season one so I've still got very high hopes for future seasons.

MORE SPOILERS

As I think more about it, the Red Wedding probably is in season 2, episode 6 or 7 I'd say. That gives them enough time for Theon to do his thing. The choking death could also happen at the very end of season 2: the lions have to begin paying or viewers will get frustrated (just like we readers). There's a bigger cost to frustrating an HBO subscriber than there is a reader. The reader has paid his money already. The subscriber can leave. Scoff at that notion if you like but ask yourself this: why do you think they're compressing the books' storylines for the TV show in the first place? The trial (for the choking) and the other big death by crossbow will most definitely be in season 3.

Those are my guesses.

>> ^shuac:

>> ^JiggaJonson:
Danarys is not supposed to get the unsullied until the third book... -_-
Part of why I've liked the series so far is the fact that they followed the books so closely. I'm gonna be disappointed if they stray from that formula.

Christ, there's only been one season so far. How could you get used to that aspect so quickly? Especially since it isn't true: toward the end of season 1, they dip into book 2 a little bit (Arya and Gendry joining Yoren for their trip to the wall)...so I'm just gonna call a little bullshit on you. Just a tinsy bit, mind you.
Besides...all the books after book 1 do not have enough going on to warrant their own 10 episode arc. Not like book 1 had. So in short: they are absolutely picking & choosing the best story elements of book 2 and 3 for season 2. Live with it. Or don't.
@ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ SPOILER ALERT @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @
I trust the show runners to understand that to have, for example, the red wedding in season 2 would be too early. That's probably a season 3 storyline. But as far as Daenerys goes: what does she actually do for all of book 2? Not that much: she travels the desert, goes to Qarth, and walks through that magic room maze thing. Yaaaawn.
@ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ SPOILER ALERT @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @
My big concern is getting HBO to see the series through to the end without canceling it. That's the real cliffhanger.

I'm sorry, bullshit on what, exactly? That they didn't stick to the story line of the book in the first season?


The only glaring example of that, I can think of in the first season, is when Caitlyn visits Jamie Lanister at the camp and gets him to admit pushing Brann out of the window. That and I guess the part you mentioned. But, to be fair, Arya's last chapter in Game of Thrones ends with him cutting off her hair and telling her to go with him; the show shows her being called to the cart right after that happened. That insignificant difference is far cry from introducing an entirely new set of characters/plot element from a different book a whole season too soon.

Find me more glaring examples of not closely following the plot and we'll have something to discuss, until then...

*throws bullshit back @shuac*

>> ^JiggaJonson:

Danarys is not supposed to get the unsullied until the third book... -_-
Part of why I've liked the series so far is the fact that they followed the books so closely. I'm gonna be disappointed if they stray from that formula.


Christ, there's only been one season so far. How could you get used to that aspect so quickly? Especially since it isn't true: toward the end of season 1, they dip into book 2 a little bit (Arya and Gendry joining Yoren for their trip to the wall)...so I'm just gonna call a little bullshit on you. Just a tinsy bit, mind you.

Besides...all the books after book 1 do not have enough going on to warrant their own 10 episode arc. Not like book 1 had. So in short: they are absolutely picking & choosing the best story elements of book 2 and 3 for season 2. Live with it. Or don't.

*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*SPOILER ALERT*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*

I trust the show runners to understand that to have, for example, the red wedding in season 2 would be too early. That's probably a season 3 storyline. But as far as Daenerys goes: what does she actually do for all of book 2? Not that much: she travels the desert, goes to Qarth, and walks through that magic room maze thing. Yaaaawn.

*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*SPOILER ALERT*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*

My big concern is getting HBO to see the series through to the end without canceling it. That's the real cliffhanger.