It's just Obama making the place nice and welcoming for when the Chinese finally call in the US debt and take over the joint...

I'd tick sarcasm but to be brutally frank, the paranoid nutjobs are starting to look fucking sensible and centered...

I'm not a superstitious person by any stretch, but since posting that comment, I'm now even more paranoid at the intersection.

Even though I'm still slowly cruising into the intersection watching cross-traffic as always, I can't go slowly enough for all the oncoming cars to slow enough that I'm 100% sure they're stopping.

I just keep wondering how I"m going to get word to you guys that I've died.

He seems like a nice fellow. I completely understand his desire to want to keep his family safe. I'm sorry he's so afraid and paranoid.

I don't really buy much of this. Is paranoia really a genetic trait? The video seems to suggest that evolution favours paranoia, but here we all are for the most part not paranoid of everything. There is a price for false positives, that's energy wasted running from the wind in the trees or a distrust of others thats results in fewer mating opportunities for example. The truth just might save your life, but seems to me the paranoid as just as likely to miss the truth because they see patterns and assign meanng where there are none and they end up overlooking the simpler explanation. So yah. I'm calling bullshit.

I said it that way because it's a stupid paranoid idea that the likes of Glen Beck spout, and I don't want my government giving that lot any ammunition. I thought that was clear. I never backed away from my stance that it was NOT a compliance test, I simply commented that the reported conduct makes that argument hard to make to the conspiracy minded. this is the kind of comprehension problem and mistaken assumption I spoke of.
The "they" I speak of is the police that reportedly violated people's rights. No conspiracy needed for that to happen, 'punishment' is needed to curtail it.
What part was a lame appeal to patriotism and nationalist dogma (that) betrays an authoritarian worldview? I agree, I should have included "unreasonable" (not "reasonable" as you keep writing) with "search and seizure", especially since it's the definition of "unreasonable" that we are discussing. It was not an intentional omission as you imply.

This one suspect was not a threat to the entire Boston area, and did not make what amounts to Martial law without the declaration right.

Says you. You have no idea what they knew or didn’t know. How many people would he have to endanger to declare martial law (which they didn’t)? This idiotic logic you choose to use, that 1 man couldn’t possibly be a risk to ¾ million people, completely ignores that he was, as evidenced by his actions up to that point, a danger to some of those ¾ million people. I can’t believe I’m actually defending the cops, but defending the public is exactly what I believe their jobs should be (as opposed to primarily raising revenue by writing tickets), and until I see evidence to the contrary, it appears they did just that with the knowledge of the situation and the suspects that they had at the time, and until you can show different, the warrantless searches seemed reasonable.

If you think being scared is the best reason to give up your rights to privacy and freedom from search and seizure, you don't understand the USA and perhaps should move to one of those other countries that agree with you, there are many.

You don’t have a right to freedom from search and seizure. You have a right to freedom from unreasonable search and seizure. Living in a free country gives you the right to be as ignorant as you wish about the Fourth Amendment of the Constitution, but demonstrating that ignorance in a public forum such as this should be embarrassing.

Now, we appear to have a comprehension problem...I said I disagree with those claiming this was some conspiracy or even a compliance test. I did not say, and have not heard anyone else say (besides the suspects father) that this was perpetrated by the government, that's a pretty big jump there. The implication is that the police are using the fear violate people's rights thinking they'll be either be justified in their actions or at least get away with them.

“I have heard some say” is the most common and sleazy way of introducing an idea one has not a lick of evidence for, but wants to wedge into the conversation because it supports, again, a narrative he/she wants to advance. You said it and then only denied you were one who said it. You went on to truss up the notion of “compliance test”, and imply your agreement of it, with “difficult to argue against that idea”, and then revealed your conspiracy nuttery with “so they don't want to (or can't afford) to do this again”. The next paragraph’s lame appeal to patriotism and nationalist dogma betrays an authoritarian worldview. You don’t have a reading comprehension problem. You have a reality comprehension problem.

Sadly they would likely be right, thanks in large part to people like Fletch that don't understand or agree with the freedom from 'search and seizure'.

Unlike you, I understand what the Fourth Amendment says, but I'm pretty sure I also understand what you and your ilk wish it would say. Again (again), you choose to detach “unreasonable” from “search and seizure”, which, I think, demonstrates that even you realize the invalidity of your blustering, and that your primary purpose here is to advance a narrative.

{snipped lots of ridiculous, ignorant horseshit of personal beliefs about police actions and procedures he has no evidence whatsoever to support; read it above if you need a chuckle; #youtubelawyer}

Again, you appear to suggest that the police may enter your home to search for dangerous criminals at any time they choose in the name of safety because they are dangerous criminals and MAY be in your home, they are certainly in the area. That's just plain dumb and shows lack of forethought and lack of understanding of the right to be free from search and seizure, especially in your own home.

I didn’t suggest anything of the sort, although you continue on in your paragraph with the false presumption that I did. I don't even know of anybody who does suggest it. It only seems to exist in your paranoid fantasies. Do you have any point or argument that you didn’t pull out of your ass, or anything that doesn’t rely upon some other bit of info you assumed, presumed, or just fabricated? This isn’t YouTube. You can find support here, but your bullshit will be called, and criticism won’t be muted by the endless scroll of a thousand comments.

If you want to give up your rights because your a coward, move. I hear Australia is nice.

Oy... more authoritarian nuttery. Australia is awesome, btw. Bravest thing their government ever did was pass effective gun control. That we should have such courage…


Edit: Went a leeetle too far

We know that because it was not true, they did not return to Boston therefore they could have no evidence that they had returned to Boston. That simple, not bullshit, and I have no idea what infowars is.
...and yes, I am commenting based on the description of the video, I clearly stated I have no knowledge of any searches done outside the immediate area beyond what's claimed in the description. If there were no random searches in Boston as claimed, there's no argument here other that the base idea that one's home should be safe from search without clear factual reasoning. I guess thinking that makes me a paranoid idiotic nutter, at least I'm not alone. :-}

@newtboy

What we do know is they did not know, or even have any evidence that they had returned to Boston after the shootout..."

What?!?! How in the fuck do you know that? Did you read that on Infowars? It's expected that a paranoid nutter as yourself would take hold of that bit of info and accept it without any evidence at all, but it's unfortunate that others here, who come here primarily for relaxation or entertainment and may read VS comments with a less-than-critical mindset, might gloss over it and have it slowly infect and then fester in their brains as fact instead of the unmitigated, unsubstantiated bullshit that it is. Evidence that the cops did not know or think the suspects could be in Boston or specific areas searched in Boston after the shootout or STFU. I'm assuming your only evidence they even conducted searches there at all is the YT description you mention, but it doesn't matter to me one way or another if they did or didn't. It shows, however, how easily you collect and incorporate any ethereal fragment of the English language that you feel will support your idiotic narrative.

Fuck it, this is a waste of my time. Keep your heavily-armed, paranoid, dystopic nightmare.

Though I do feel bad for the sane, intelligent Americans I know, I'm just glad I don't live in a country where I need to worry about such things.

More proof that facts have a definitive liberal bias, as your claim is 100% absolute bullshit. Guess you need another bogeyman. Unfortunately, about the only group you asswipes haven't blamed for some perceived ill in this nation is the 50+ million paranoid, angry, rightie dolts that vote directly against their interests every two years because they believe every oily huckster that tells them that the country is going to come to an end unless they check all the "R" boxes on election day. Blaming blacks and Mexicans makes it even easier, doesn't it? Douche.

RSNML.

more strawman arguments.

no one has ever said "it couldn't happen." There is no one who thinks that America is magically immune to usurpation.

Here's the thing about that though. there are these wonderful things called warning signs and evidence. indications that we're heading down that road or at the very least THINKING about heading down that road.

none of which has happened yet. And sorry, Republicans losing a couple of elections isn't one of those warning signs...except for the extreme tinfoil hat wearer's in your group.

There are absolutely zero indications that the gov't is trying to confiscate all weapons or become tyrannical. Quite honestly, I don't think most people in America even know what real tyranny is. Having an election and your guy losing isn't tyranny.

When you have actual evidence, maybe the rest of the world will listen. Till then, you're a bunch of paranoid lunatics who are actually more likely to hurt a loved one with a gun than an actual "bad guy"

The last time I was in Italy, I drove myself and family for 13 days and didn't put a ding or scratch on the van because I was hyper-paranoid and careful. Other friends hired local Italian limos; they had three accidents, including one that totaled the driver's car (fortunately, he was on the way to pick up the family and none of the family was aboard).
Despite this apparent anecdotal evidence, as far as I can tell, per million residents, in 2006, the Italians had 92 deaths---and the United States had 140.

Maybe per mile driven/per kilometer stats would show something else.

Good morning.....So VoodooV, simply not a good person...

One might imagine that you've mistaken paranoid rage for a genuine concern for the people who must suffer the damaged, soon beyond-repair law-enforcement establishment in the U.S. While I can't vouch for many municipalities, I have dealt with law enforcement in multiple states since I was old enough to drive a car.
Texas has an inordinate amount of assholes in law enforcement, which has sullied or otherwise affected my opinion of peace officers (that term an oxi-moron for millions of people who have had to deal with profiling, unprovoked aggression, and general douche-baggery from the hind-brained, alpha-or-wannabe-alpha victims of abuse and racism who choose a career in "law enforcement".

We have several versions of cops here, Sheriffs, constables, state troopers, city police, game wardens, etc., all with their privilege and jurisdictions, all with varying levels of professionalism and personalities some of which are synonymous with their particular group.
I maintain, that In ALL of these branches of law enforcement due to corruption and abuse of power as the rule for over 50 years combined with the systematic granting of more and more powers to state over individual rights that the SYSTEM is inherently corrupt and anti-human rights. I have come to this conclusion in my dealings with them personally and by paying attention to the fucking world without blinders and outside of the insular framework of my own perception of how i would LIKE the world to be.

What is your personal experience in dealing with law enforcement robots? Where do you live? What is your station in life economically, socially. Are you Caucasian or a minority? All these questions beg an answer because I suppose that your exposure to the world outside of the comfort of your CONSTRUCT, is causing this consternation and judgement vomited-forth in your last comment, and I would hate to have some skewed opinion of you based on your reaction to mine on issues that have EVERYTHING to do with human rights, justice, blah blah blah, all the shit that's important to people like us, schmoes slaving for paper-tickets to buy more play-time in the world created while you were fast-fucking asleep.

Fix it instead of whining like a spoiled brat??
Well sir, when you live in a country with the majority of peeps fast-asleep with their heads up movie-stars and basketball-player's asses whose political system is a fucking joke and her government co-opted by corporate and security interests then civil disobedience or heaven-forbid, UNCIVIL should the situation necessitate is about the only reasonable, actionable, effective solution for me.
Malcolm X was right, rich, sociopathic white people suck donkey balls and run the whole fucking show.

Would you like to have a discussion on the state of the Prison system in the United States? Hand-in-hand with the men in blue are the men in brown who would, that the current model be expanded and improved upon....It's broken and you have an opinion,??

Please enlighten us all-

Yeah ching, you're simply not a good person.

I'm not excusing their failings. spaghetti monster knows they have a lot of them, but the fact of the matter is that we *need* the police and your paranoid rage towards cops good or bad simply doesn't help things. Be part of the solution, not the problem. and yelling at them really isn't helping anything. You've got a legitimate complaint that cops have a corruptsion or incompetence problem....well work to fix it then instead of whining like a spoiled brat.