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Police Force Man to 14-hour Anal Cavity Search!

ChaosEngine says...

I'm going to leave aside the highly dubious assertion that is was democracy and not rampant capitalism that stole the land from the Native Americans.

But you still don't get it. I am not required to condone or accept everything that is done in the name of "statism", any more than being an atheist makes me condone Stalins religious purges.

Once again, yeah, that is a terrible injustice and it should be righted. But on balance, "statism" has done far more good than harm.

blankfist said:

183 years ago, Native Americans used to own land east of the Mississippi. Until democracy.

Police Force Man to 14-hour Anal Cavity Search!

blankfist says...

183 years ago, Native Americans used to own land east of the Mississippi. Until democracy.

ChaosEngine said:

Yes, that is how we change things. It's slow, cumbersome, subject to corruption and lobbying and often the oppressors aren't punished and the victims don't live to see the changes.

But in the long run, it works.

120 years ago, women couldn't even vote.
60 years ago, it was considered perfectly fine to discriminate against ethnic minorities.
When I grew up, legalised gay marriage was unthinkable (hell, being gay was still a crime in many places until I was in my teens).

All these things were changed, through protest and democracy. They are all far from solved problems, and there have been a few steps back along the way (NSA, Guantanamo, etc) but for most people life is better now than it has been in the past.

There's a reason Churchill called democracy "the worst form of government except for all those others that have been tried.” We've seen the other and they're way worse than this.

So no, I don't accept it and yeah, I punch my paper and eventually, shit gets done.

Miss America is American

notarobot says...

What tribe was she from? (Native American?) Or is he talking about someone of East Indian decent, you know, that country that Britain invaded in the 1600's to harvest resources from?

(I'm so confused)

Tipping Servers $200

shatterdrose says...

"And I never said they stiffed servers, just that when servers get stiffed, they don't really make anything" - me

Lucky started his comment with "That's nice". I doubt he meant that in a non-sarcastic tone, because otherwise I've totally been misusing that phrase forever now.

Second, I'm half Native American . . . Mostly Blackfoot.

I understand respect your reasons for upvoting a comment, but I must say that to me is a very odd motive, although legit (since if I don't absolutely clarify I'm an ass it appears), but it's not the way I use it, or I believe, they way many other use it either.

For instance, @deathcow, I respect his reason for the sheer fact that it's basically the whole "I may not agree with what you have to say, but I will defend your right to say it to the death." Or something thereabout.

But you are right, I'm sure Lucky wouldn't have known. But by his tone it didn't seem to me he really cared to know, or that he was even accepting of what he was just told. Again, the "that's nice" doesn't come across to me as a heart warming welcome. Nor does the crack at the Indian Reservations. Maybe something along the lines of "But I thought Federal Minimum Wage was $7.15/hr, or is this perhaps from another country?"

But as I pointed out in my second comment which you quoted, to like is to show support. But again, I never said that Lucky or the Likees don't tip well, just that IF - drawing attention to the word IF - you - attention being brought to the use of 2nd person narrative, as in talking directly to the person, not making an accusation that said person does said behavior due to the word if preceding it - stiff a server, they don't really make anything.

(Also, @lucky760 made a follow up comment that to me sums up what I believe Lucky was trying to convey at first, just much better. In addition, that brings up a much more salient point which others have commented on, and it seems if I make a comment on it as well, I've committed a Sift-Sin.)

pumkinandstorm said:

I upvoted the comment because I posted the video and appreciate people adding their thoughts to the discussion. Lucky wouldn't have known how it works if someone hadn't cleared it up in a reply. I'm sure he wasn't the only one who thought that, so I'm really glad he wrote what he did.

Regarding your first comment, I don't know why you would assume Lucky (or anyone upvoting his comment) wouldn't tip their servers the same amount (or more) than anyone else would. He never wrote anything to suggest that.

Jon Stewart's 19 Tough Questions for Libertarians!

JiggaJonson says...

@enoch
Do native americans have to pay taxes to live within the US on a reservation? I thought that was part of their whole thing. I'm not terribly well versed on the issue. And I'm not sure what you mean by christianity and the other religious comparisons. I certainly dont agree with my christian friends on things like abortion, but I respect those that adhere to their religious text more than quasi christians that pick and choose their theology and then pretend that they're god is still infallible (even if i disagree with them all the more).

Blankfist made the original comparison of himself to Thoreau, I'm just fleshing out the idea to see if it's a fair comparison or not.

Thoreau is a personal hero of mine, so I find the comparison insulting and feel the need to press on questioning.

From my point of view, a majority of libertarians are nay-sayers who, as I've described, are all theory and no action. I disagree with the whole "government who governs least, governs best," nonsense; but the comparison to someone who I'd hold up on the same pedestal as oh, say, Nelson Mandela, is one that really gets under my skin.

A Brief History of the United States.

dirkdeagler7 says...

Although I don't disagree that there is an edge of fear or paranoia in many Americans, this video hardly represents reality in my opinion. Slavery was not the cause of America's posterity and although fear was present I don't believe it was the primary motivation behind how the Native Americans and African Slaves were treated.

Unfortunately greed and racial ignorance would shoulder most of the blame for how colonists dealt with these groups.

It's also my opinion that fear is often used to veil things like greed and persecution in order to make them more acceptable to the general population.

I suppose if you specify "fear of losing their money/land/social norms/position of power" then yes, I suppose you can say that fear drove a lot of this. But fear of losing these things is more indicative of greed than it is fear of the groups in question.

I dont expect a slanted and simplified cartoon to capture the reality of history but this is pretty revisionist in the opposite direction from the text book history that American's are criticized for teaching ourselves.

Fox News Tramples the Constitution - John Stewart

lantern53 says...

The Constitution is about personal freedom and responsibility. When the gov't takes your private property and gives it to another person, that interferes with my pursuit of happiness. The gov't has gone so far beyond it's mandate...which is why we are $16 trillion in debt, why $4.4 billion goes to farm fraud, why $500M goes to an electric energy company which fails...etc ad infinitum. You people who think gov't is the solution, don't forget that it was the gov't that almost eradicated the Native Americans, who locked up Japanese-Americans during WWII, etc. I waste my breath, you think the purpose of gov't is to make everything equal. Good luck with that.

Native American Shuts Down Anti-Illegal Immigrant Protest

chingalera says...

I trust your sentiments for promoting this viddy include some overtones of racism-May I point out once again (and god we know how people hate to reflect upon their past mistakes), that in your history here on the VS burdturg, you mistakenly construed a remark I made as racist? As none recall save myself (since I was banned because of your OVERREACTION and not welcomed back until the old gaurd fizzled-out), YOU took personal offense when there was only derision directed at your manner, tone because I used the word "monkey" to try and relay my disgust for your PROCESS....

The internet has no color, brother and had I known your were a black man I would have used other language to describe your fucking idiocy at the time-

Why choose here to voice my grievance? Because I lost a few years on a site I love to your ignorance and attitude. I probably deserved it, I was a prick to a lot of people, and I offer an olive branch and a formal apology for ruffling your feathers.

Now-About these imbeciles protesting something they have no control over. Their signs should read-"We fucked-up and watched as 6 Administrations fucked us in the ass, and now were whining."

"Fast and Furious Social Destabilization-More Guns For Criminal Nationals From Mexico to Incite Race-Hatred...Fuck You Obama, Bush(s), Clinton, Reagan, Ford, Carter and Johnson."

Thrown in a few drunk native-Americans left to represent the pack and hurl insults at other ineffectual monkeys, and you've got a bunch of inteffectuals who'd be better off in Washington on the white house lawn, camping-out until something is done about the white fucks running the show.
You have to know at this stage in the game, that racism is used to incite idiots to make decisions (react) when they have no actual say in the decisions concocted for them because of a fucking broken government, or in the case of the United States, one that has been hijacked by criminal cunts. This includes immigration and the social destabilization that comes from the continuing dilution of our culture, language, and western civilization in general.

burdturgler said:

*promote

Native American Shuts Down Anti-Illegal Immigrant Protest

lucky760 says...

I am a little perplexed by your interpretation because it seems you are just agreeing with what @jonny said. The comparison of military invasion versus illegal immigration is the one to which the Native American fellow in the video is alluding. He's almost speaking as if the murderous conquest of this land somehow equates with illegals trying to make a home here. (That's the "serious flaw" jonny referenced.)

But I think all the guy's really saying is "You're here illegally too, so STFU... P.S. Fuck you and your ancestors for waging genocide against my ancestors."

burdturgler said:

You're argument is flawed as well. Generally speaking, people immigrating here (legally or not) aren't trying to take military control over the country. They just want a better life. To compare a group of impoverished "huddled masses, yearning to breath free," to a military force is ridiculous. Do you seriously equate illegal immigration to military invasion? Do you think Mexicans coming to the US should roll over the border with tanks and stealth bombers in order to pick our apples and dig our onions out of the dirt?

Your words suggest that anything taken by force is justified.

Native American Shuts Down Anti-Illegal Immigrant Protest

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Native American Confronts Protesters on Illegal Immigration

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