I don't know, based on this trailer, I genuinely think it could happen.

Super Mario Brothers had at least a bit of "so bad it's good" vibe to it.

"Every Hero... Has a Genesis"
really? gotta reference the console that Sonic came out on?

Jim Carrey must be doing a cash grab for this one.
I don't see how it could be worse than Super Mario Brothers, at least.

*wtf *commercials *geeks *scifi

It reminds me of Super Mario Brothers.

*related=http://videosift.com/video/Super-Mario-Brothers-Parkour-In-Real-Life

Super Mario Brothers Parkour 2 [In Real Life] - Mario Maker has been added as a related post - related requested by ant on that post.

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@Asmo

Except my daughter doesn't want to play other games--she wants to play Mario Brothers games. They have excellent game and level design. Why should she have to go elsewhere? Are you trying to say Mario Brothers games not for girls?

All my daughter is asking is to be allowed to play as the Princess--maybe after you free her from Bowser. That doesn't seem like much to ask, as it would have exactly zero effect on gameplay.

Personally, I'd go much farther and say when a game series continuously sends the message that women are helpless victims who need to be defended by men, when they're continuously objectified as trophies to be passed from player to villain and back to player again, then something is very wrong with that game and things need to change. Yeah, other games may be great, but why should that prevent people like Sarkeesian or myself from pointing out the games that aren't? Why should the trend itself not be pointed out when we can find examples of it outside of the Mario series?

No, it's not required that every game have a male/female playable character. It is, however, good business sense not to insult potential female customers of a product by portraying females (playable characters or NPCS) in sexist ways (or homosexual characters in bigoted ways, or ethnic minority characters in racist ways, while we're on the topic). This doesn't seem very difficult to understand and clearly game companies DO understand it because most are making great efforts to be diverse and more realistic in their portrayals of characters. However, just because some are trying doesn't mean we shouldn't point out the bullshit in those that don't. Games like the Mario platformer series, for instance.

You disagree with the way Sarkeesian presents her message... okay. I don't have a problem with that. I think everything you wrote grossly misrepresents what she's saying about games and gamers, but you're entitled to your opinion there.

Moving on... sorry you felt insulted. That was never my intent. But your comments on this issue are written in an extremely emotional manner as if you've somehow been personally wronged. If you don't want people to take it in that manner, you might want to think carefully about the tone your posts on this topic take. I have no idea what that link you provided was supposed to prove, so I'll just leave it alone.

On "Damsel in Distress," it's "your trope" because you've been--throughout this thread--defending it as if it is some bastion of literature that must be preserved. You are quite literally the only person I've ever seen actually try to defend it. And as I said, if it is that dear to you, you can have it. Games will still get made using it.

Other media,though, have long since moved on from it. Take the movie Die Hard as an example. Yeah, the main character's wife gets taken hostage by terrorists and that provides a nice emotional hook to move the plot forward--damsel in distress, right? If it were a game, though, we never would have heard from Holly Gennarro McClane again until Bruce Willis killed all the terrorists. Or maybe a video recording of her would show up after every "boss fight" where she tells John McClane, "Sorry honey, but I'm being kept in another part of the building."

But that's not what happens is it? The character of Holly is central to the plot of the movie and she appears nearly as much as John McClane does. She tries actively to subvert the terrorists by hiding her true identity and by taking responsibility to make sure the hostages are treated well during their captivity.

In other words she's portrayed as a real human being with personal agency throughout the movie.

And that's the point that you seem to be missing. That doesn't happen often in games despite the fact that it does happen in every other form of media (or at least in the examples from media that we generally consider "good"). When we are talking about the "Damsel in Distress" trope in games, THAT is what is being critiqued. Not the fact that someone was kidnapped to provide an emotional hook, but that one particular gender is always targeted and--to add insult to injury--is presented as weak, helpless, and without any agency of their own. They exist for the sole purpose of being rescued.

Thanks for the pro tip, BTW. Had no idea you were a pro at being a patronizing git but I'll take your word for it.

Every time I see the term "Koch Brothers" I have a vision of the Mario Brothers dressed like the Monopoly guy, grinning maniacally as they dual one another with their insanely giant penises. Anybody care to photoshop that up for me?

I had thought of a neat art project.


Make an acrylic working toilet, fill the front end of the reservoir tank with a valid goldfish tank setup, so that you can see it swimming around and at the back end of the tank is a Mario Brother style Sewer pipe, not apparent to the user the water source is not the fish environment.


It could either be a neat display on a working toilet or a way of studying human dynamics.

The Mario Brothers movie used KL5, which is 555. Simpsons did the same.

They do this because the 555 section of numbers is reserved specifically for this purpose by the FCC or whatever. No real numbers exist with a 555 prefix.

>> ^BoneRemake:

In my opinion,No, not Dupe, but then again to me this one has no place here because of the other one.
Its a line that is being toed, its pretty much the same content on all levels(hah) but there are discernible differences negating what one would call a dupe over.
Kill it and move forward, thats my motto.


In spite of the fact that it adds a minute of new music that's not in the other one!?! That's being really liberal with the dupe definition, I think.

>> ^Sarzy:

>> ^SDGundamX:
>> ^Sarzy:
It's a slightly different angle and a slightly different performance, but this is so similar I don't see any way you could argue that this isn't a dupe. Sorry Vexus.
dupeof=http://videosift.com/video/Super-Mario-Bros-on-the-Violin

I thought we'd decided that different camera angles are NOT dupes. See:
http://videosift.com/talk/Accute-Dupitis
http://videosift.com/poll/What-is-a-dupe
and
http://videosift.com/video/Seattle-cop-kills-nonthreatin
ing-pedestrian#comment-1213045 (for Sift precedents)
Also, if its a different performance doesn't that automatically make it not a dupe? Otherwise we'd have to dupe every cover song and concert performance on the Sift.

I think we decided that different camera angles are not always dupes. That doesn't mean they're never dupes, it means we have to use our judgment on a case-to-case basis.
Seriously, did you watch both videos in this case? The angle is only marginally different, and the music itself is so similar that the only way you can tell that it's actually a different performance is if you watch them side-by-side. This isn't the same as a cover song or a live performance. Seriously, I don't think you've actually watched both videos. Watch them both and then tell me you don't think this is a dupe.


Despite your incredulity, I did indeed watch both and no I don't think they're dupes.

Now my question for you: did you look at the precedents (that I took a great deal of time to compile)? Because those are way more similar (in many cases exactly the same in both audio and video--just different camera angle) than these two.

>> ^SDGundamX:

>> ^Sarzy:
It's a slightly different angle and a slightly different performance, but this is so similar I don't see any way you could argue that this isn't a dupe. Sorry Vexus.
dupeof=http://videosift.com/video/Super-Mario-Bros-on-the-Violin

I thought we'd decided that different camera angles are NOT dupes. See:
http://videosift.com/talk/Accute-Dupitis
http://videosift.com/poll/What-is-a-dupe
and
http://videosift.com/video/Seattle-cop-kills-nonthreatin
ing-pedestrian#comment-1213045 (for Sift precedents)
Also, if its a different performance doesn't that automatically make it not a dupe? Otherwise we'd have to dupe every cover song and concert performance on the Sift.


I think we decided that different camera angles are not always dupes. That doesn't mean they're never dupes, it means we have to use our judgment on a case-to-case basis.

Seriously, did you watch both videos in this case? The angle is only marginally different, and the music itself is so similar that the only way you can tell that it's actually a different performance is if you watch them side-by-side. This isn't the same as a cover song or a live performance. Seriously, I don't think you've actually watched both videos. Watch them both and then tell me you don't think this is a dupe.

>> ^Sarzy:

It's a slightly different angle and a slightly different performance, but this is so similar I don't see any way you could argue that this isn't a dupe. Sorry Vexus.
dupeof=http://videosift.com/video/Super-Mario-Bros-on-the-Violin


I thought we'd decided that different camera angles are NOT dupes. See:

http://videosift.com/talk/Accute-Dupitis
http://videosift.com/poll/What-is-a-dupe

and

http://videosift.com/video/Seattle-cop-kills-nonthreatining-pedestrian#comment-1213045 (for Sift precedents)

Also, if its a different performance doesn't that automatically make it not a dupe? Otherwise we'd have to dupe every cover song and concert performance on the Sift.