Immediately thought of this entry in "City of Dreams", a Wiki-like book of facts about Port Townsend (PT) WA:

"Centipedes"

The Port Townsend Centipedes (PTC) were a ten-man team who, on July 27,1977, thrilled some 10,000 Seattle Kingdome spectators by winning the Seafair World Championship Tug-of-War. They not only brought home the laurels but also a winner-take-all check for $10,000. The PTC's success story was an object lesson in strategy. By adding art, ratiocination, strategy, and what might best be called a strange brand of PT spirit, they essentially redefined the sport. One reporter described their tactics as a "gumbo of hatha yoga, marital arts, intense dedication, and communal discipline." They proved that tug-of-war can be a little man's sport. Their average weight was less than 150 pounds. On the evening of their victorious tug in the Kingdome against the Montgomery Loggers of Cle Elum, Washington, authoritative bystanders noted how much more muscular the opposition was and predicted an easy victory for the Centipede's opponents. But, as one of the Centipedes said, "We are one being when on the end of a rope." They chose their name as one indication of their strategy: traction. They reasoned that if they could get ten sets of arms and legs working in perfect unison, they would have an advantage over those who tugged with fewer, larger bodies. They were right.

They also practiced rhythm, which included not only coordinating their breathing, but also pacing, the use of the "standing arch," and allowing some members to rest at given times during the tug-of-war. The Centipedes developed their own mythology and terminology: their "house of pain" was a technique of prolonging the tug-of-war in order to exhaust the opposition before administering the coup de grace.

[Not noted in this article is the rules stated that the each team had a weight limit, not a number-of-people limit. The PT team chose to spread the weight over more people.]

Damn loggers, you crazy!
It looked like they lost 1/2 the logs in the streams, and just destroyed the stream beds and fish. How was this ever a good idea?
Looked awesome though.

Need to strap a GPS logger and a Lojack to that thing

Any self-respecting Bubba would have been shooting. They were loggers.

Well, I'll point to one example. When they went after Scientology I was quite surprised of the organization and setup. In multiple cities in the U.S. and in International places (mostly NATO countries) like London. They got hundreds in some locations and thousands of people/protesters to show up and protest Scientology's right to be a religion (as they're considered one in the U.S--not sure where they are, out of country of course). Usually, their Constitutional right to be a religion, would be something I would fight for, but they have crossed the line more than enough times that they seem like fair game to me. Hell, we had atleast a couple of hundred, maybe even one thousand, protesting the church in Utah of all places! Utah is far off from any of their headquarters or any major "church", installation, and "health" centers.

(Off-topic Sidenote: The Mormon or LDS church also crossed the line with Proposition 8 in California--I've seen the LDS church get involved in other political affairs, but only to the same extent all churches in this country do--block voting is ridiculous and should almost cause your vote to be counted as less-as you're actively using religion as a political pulpit and then voting from that; if a connection could be made I'd think those votes should be countermanded as well as the religion's tax exemption status--especially when you have meetings, literally, before a vote. Mormons do this, I'VE BEEN to them!)

The fact that Anonymous can pull that off over night means a great deal. They're most defiantly not weekend warriors in their mother's basement (although I'm sure there are plenty like that). They must have quite a few people that are highly trained in a wide range of topics as they've gone after many targets; easily separating, for the majority of Anonymous, what's an incorrect target and what deserves their attention. To me this means you can't write them off in any fashion; as they may have "Ivory Tower" support, due to their targets and being able to seem "right" and "innocuous" at every turn--people cheer them on.

If I had to pick, I would wager that Anonymous can and does affect more changes socially than al-Qaeda; al-Qaeda has a poor societal impact except the desperate or those that have nothing to lose--only if it used like-wise tactics, which they won't (likewise tactics meaning: terrorism, like 9-11). Their methodology is *flashy*, so every media outlet focuses their news-time and airtime on them. If Anonymous did these infamous type of events except against an U.S. enemy, would they have the same "deeply rooted" infamy/notoriety in American society? I'd say yes.

Outside the U.S. they may have that attribution (good doers/fighting evil or infamous) already in certain places. Right now, Americans are more concerned if their McMansion will be a viable end solution or if it's another "living beyond your means", moment.

I do agree with you that Anonymous must be worried about their banner being lifted by the wrong person. But, as their is no leader in Anonymous it will lead to inter-anon wars; we've seen a few, but most have ended blindingly fast. You almost never hear about it unless you dig around (and even then you find out it's a year old).

I'm just trying to remind people that if Anonymous whimsically can get Colbert to wear the mask in solidarity and can gets thousands of protesters to show up at your doorbell overnight (with same mask ), they may have power that I doubt they've even tapped into yet.

Plus, I do think China or any country willing to stand toe to toe with the U.S. would be grateful to have a voracious enemy of the U.S. on their side (yes, I agree that China would be bad; I also doubt that they would choose it--maybe more like Russia). Especially, if it ends up being one that knows the U.S. fairly well. Secondly, as before, taking random people off the street in Anonymous's name would only feed the machine. We have yet to see what happens if Anonymous, itself, is attacked. It's always been a side attack due to another on going event. The rules might change for both sides if it became a "war" (how they target and what is targeted, then how does the information become presentable). Yes, the U.S. could cut-off the Internet, but I think we've learned enough that THAT may be a grander problem for the U.S. than what it originally had (it's happened everywhere else; citizens revolting).

Yes, Anonymous "may" be getting too much credit, but since their anonymous... They might loose badly even in a straight up information war. But, none of this has happened yet or been tested... I agree with the majority of what you're saying @Yogi . I'm just reminding people that underestimation of your enemy (do we, as Americans, really want Anonymous as an enemy? The Colbert show seems to show the opposite...)

Get rid of one person and another falls in to place, and the hacks they do can be taught ridiculously fast. The other side requires *tax payers'* money or private contractors (using *tax payers'* money, or someone like Dick Cheney who has Halliburton), all of which seem shady as what they do is kill other Americans, arrest other Americans, kill NATO citizens or extradite NATO citizens, and heaven forbid: use black-ops for non-Western countries (Anonymous has enough foresight to get clear confirmation of any event and spread it virally; like a video).

If these guys lose one person it takes quite a bit of time to replace--even if they become misaligned with the publics' view, like the guy in Colbert's piece. Everyone will question his motives now except for the complete utter sheep with no in-the-know friends (to explain what Anonymous is doing).

All I'm trying to say is that in an age of information the U.S. may find themselves on equal footing in a war they'd have to start. The U.S. tries a physical response it will be posted in full glorious detail on the net with redundancy ad nauseum (one well placed real-time camera or auto-upload camera and it becomes a nightmare). The U.S. employs thousands of people that can barely log into their e-mail account(s)--these people are also responsible for enacting physical responses. Imagine an Anonymous that hacks, but keeps the game running. Key loggers, viruses, worms, trojans, hardware hacks, software hacks, people IN the government in on it...? Anonymous has always pulled their stunt quickly and shown everyone the ramifications; don't you think a prolonged version would be highly dangerous for both sides?

Again this assumes a lot about Anonymous just from what I've seen them accomplish in the past. They are most defiantly not some sort of elite commando force. What they lack is simply made up in their ability to manipulate data; which is HUGE in this day and age... Anyway that's long enough; respond to the areas you think need to be toned downed or clarified upon.

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They should just hop on their Leonopteryx and kick the shit out of the loggers.

>> ^rottenseed:
>> ^westy:
I want one. although Id rather have just the device with sensors and then feed that into a pc and let my pc do all the synth stuff.
no saving after 100 internal saves is TOTALY RETARDED.
the problem with these devices is they are counter productive. with my usb keybord and FL I can just play away and I can have every thing saved , FL autimaticly saves the last 500 or so key presses so if u happen to make something cool by accident u dont have to try and rmeber what u did.
its like the hardware manufactures r stuck in the past.

That must be new to FL. Either that or I never figured out how to get FL to do that. I do remember being able to record key strokes of my USB controller, but it would only record the note, not the time I held the note down.


its been in Fl for a while its called score logger u probably didnot find it because its in a random place.

Tools > DumpScoreLogOntoSalectedPatern

then you can enjoy looking through all the shit you pressed on your midi devices lol.

Now if only they had all good shows on discovery, like when I was a kid about a decade ago, now half the time it's stupid stuff like biggest catch, man vs wild, american loggers, ghostlabs. etc

>> ^Sagemind:
... Asside from being a great word processor...


as long as you don't try to have a single document over 140 pages, or more than 10 figures or references, or try to paste objects from any other version of word, or attempt to export to PDF using Acrobat, or expect it not to auto-generate 337 new styles on it's own, or want you to take a survey to help improve it, or require 500+ MB patches... then yes, it's a great word processor.

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My question is - why is MS so effin' cheap that they can't provide their employees with a laptop? she's gotta use kiosks, cybercafe's, hotel guest computers, etc etc. Like I would trust any one of those computers to be virus-free and not running a keystroke-logger.... but she goes right in to her sharepoint site, enters username and password, to make those "critical" changes... minutes later, those confidential Microsoft documents are leaked. (don't worry, they'll blame firefox for the breach)

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all in all, truth in advertising. She's not excited because it's not exciting.

My guess is that it's not a parody, not with Earth First. They're psycho. In California they used to put Big nails in the trees and loggers would lose limbs when their chainsaws snapped. Very hardcore group.

Fixed, thanks!


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Came up dead for me...

http://www.videosift.com/video/Canada-Vignette-The-Logger

Came up dead for me...

http://www.videosift.com/video/Canada-Vignette-The-Logger

This has to be a lot more fuel efficient as well. When I used a GPS logger to quantify my drive to work, was amazed at the spikes and speed and amount of time sitting in lights.. that just kills your mileage. Going slow through town is much more efficient, and less stressful, than a series of traffic lights.

Not even for logging and deforestation, just to cut the ghey forest down! Make roads for rich people and loggers.

Constitutional_Patriot, consider the following thought experiment:

On your way to work one morning you drive passed a row of ten trees. There's a tree-felling operation underway. Five of the trees have already been felled. One of the loggers is busy cutting a sixth down with his chainsaw. Later that day, on your way back from work, you notice that all the trees have gone and only stumps and sawdust remain. On closer investigation, you notice that all of the stumps show similar cutting effects to the one you saw being cut with a chainsaw.

Here are two of many possible explanations for what has happened:

A: Even though you didn't see it happen or document it in any way, the loggers cut down all of the remaining trees with chainsaws and transported them away.

B: Some other unseen device was used to cut the remaining trees down -- a device that, usually, would simply never be used for logging purposes. This device was used to fell the trees as part of a nefarious conspiracy.

Which of those explanations do you consider the most rational -- which of those explanations is the only one that is sane?