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Alex Jones is definitely not bragging

This is what my lizard does when I wave to him

Are humans contributing only 3% of CO2 in the atmosphere?

transmorpher jokingly says...

Why can't the conspiracy theory people ever believe in conspiracies that might benefit humanity.

E.g. instead of believing in a conspiracy of "global warming is just a conspiracy to make us pay more tax" why can't they believe instead that "lizard people from the middle of the earth have taken over the government and want to make the surface habitable for their dinosaur kind by releasing excess CO2"

And that way even their reasoning is still beneficial to humanity's progress, since stopping the CO2 would also be stopping the lizard people from the middle of the earth.

Guy dresses up as dog's favorite toy

John Oliver - Republican Reactions to the Lewd Remarks

ChaosEngine says...

See, this is why I don't engage with you other than to mock you.

You have no idea how debate works.

If I told you Donald Trump was a lizard, you would expect me to provide evidence. Simply saying "google it" is lazy and ineffectual. I could find a source on google for just about any claim (the earth is flat, homeopathy works, Steve McQueen was Jesus reincarnated).... doesn't mean any of them are credible sources.

Now, I tried to engage with you on this, because I think sexual assault is pretty fucking horrific, even if I had a previously favourable opinion of the perpetrator.

But if you're not willing to provide a credible source, I'm just going to assume this more of your usual complete bullshit and move on.

bobknight33 said:

Are you that ignorant? Apparently so.

If you cant google Bills Clintons assaulted victims it shows how much you head is up main steam media ass.

Look it up bitch. The stories been out for 30 years.

I Regret Everything!

Aziraphale (Member Profile)

bareboards2 says...

Isn't it so much more fun to actually exchange information and points of view, rather than getting snotty? I love it.

Maybe we are talking a bit at cross purposes. (Like, that has never happened before on teh intertubes, right?)

I try not to "re-edit" or "re-imagine" videos. I'm sure I do it -- I often do things that I later complain that other people do. This comment goes back more to your first response to me, however it applies to this comment, too. The idea that the video would be better if it this'd, or that'd, or it fails to do this other thing that it wasn't even trying to do. The concept of being conscious of "the bigger picture" is what I am addressing here.

However, isn't it just YOUR vision of what the bigger picture is that you say is missing? Because for me, I see a bigger picture being addressed quite nicely -- the vision that the video maker set out to address.

I wonder if the nebulous nature of your instinctive dislike to this video is indeed EXACTLY what the video maker was setting out to illuminate? Or rather, decided to be not obsequious to? Like women have been taught to be obsequious for eons?

I notice that you are sure that your difficult-to-describe instinctive reactions are "correct." What if it is actually your own internalized and unexamined sexism? I know you say thunderfoot bugs you, too. I also know that all my impassioned information about how women across cultures and time are expected to "tone it down" wasn't addressed in your response to me.

That is the elephant in the room here, as far as I am concerned. Sure, "condescension" is gender neutral. The whole video, though, is about sexism and the unconscious ways that it leaks out. I don't see you addressing that in your response -- except maybe, MAYBE, it is this nebulous and difficult thing you are struggling to understand and maybe, MAYBE, it needs to be examined and understood.

So maybe look at your feelings through that prism?

I say this as someone who has their own internalized sexism (towards men and women both) that I am constantly trying to identify and own and uproot. Racism, too. I so want to be the person who, like Stephen Colbert of old, who doesn't see race. And yet I do and I am mortified by it and I try to push through that lizard brain instinct and the training of my youth.

Something to think about maybe?

Or not. Maybe it just is as simple as you don't like the humor in the video, and I do. There are differences in taste, after all.

I suspect, though, that it is much more complex than that -- as you said, "maybe I'm going into it with the notion that I'm going to be offended anyway."

Aziraphale said:

First off, let me thank you for your kind words, and for engaging thoughtfully and civilly. I really respect anyone who can do that. So first, "poisonous" is probably not the right word, but I did feel like I was being talked down to. Possibly just because I'm oversensitive, or maybe I'm going into it with the notion that I'm going to be offended anyway, I'm not sure. It's not easy for me to put into concise language the nebulous feelings that float around in my brain.

Also, I'm almost certain that if the presenter had been a male, with the same tone, I would have found it equally as off-putting. As I said, thunderf00t is a dude that I mostly agree with, and I find his patronizing attitude to be... unhelpful at best.

In the end, I can't come up with a good rationalization for why the video should be any different. We shouldn't all be emotionless robots, and these issues *should* be talked about, but at the risk of falling into a relative privation fallacy, I think we all should be conscious of the bigger picture when creating content like this.

Cheers.

Just another day in Russia

Gratefulmom (Member Profile)

Gratefulmom (Member Profile)

Octopi, Platypi, Walri, Oh My!

Octopi, Platypi, Walri, Oh My!

ChaosEngine says...

Hang on, wait... are Brontosaurusesesess a thing again?

I thought they had decided they were just Apatosaurus, but apparently there is now some debate again.

Personally, I am sticking with Brontosaurus, because anything called "thunder lizard" is freakin' awesome.

Crotch Firework Goes All Kinds of Wrong

shagen454 says...

The 8second-12second mark is ripe for a hilarious looping, slo-mo. The sounds he's making, the lizard movement, the lady cracking up in the background, shit is hilarious.

Oritteropo hits galaxy (Sift Talk Post)

oritteropo says...

Thanks

You're certainly not alone there

My old avatar might have made it more obvious - http://goo.gl/1EqwgC - this one is a mash-up of @Lann's umbrella, @eric3579's burning man, and the lizard

The other thing that my username has reminded people of is otter pops.

Fantomas said:

Congratulations to a fellow Aussie.

For an embarrassingly long time I read your name as Otteropo which made me confused as to why you had a Comodo Dragon in your avatar.

Frilled Neck Lizard Attacks 'Rescuer'

breaddoughrising says...

I like coming up with wild hypotheses and narratives, so here is one: The lizard saw its reflection in the camera phone. Being highly territorial, it therefore attempted to chase off the intruder who was staring him down in the reflection of the backside of the camera phone. Eventually, the "tree" supporting the camera phone reflected intruder stopped moving and the lizard ran up the "tree" and confronted the reflected intruder. However the camera phone was eventually moved for a side view causing the intruder to disappear. The lizard suddenly found itself upon a moving "tree" whose branches could move and grasp onto him, and it decided to get the heck out of Dodge.



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