Rationalist African-Americans tend to dress so people will know from looking at them that they reject ghetto culture.

Aren't we talking about culture, but pretending we're talking about race?

For example, conservatives dislike ghetto crime, but they've wanted Herman Cain and Allen West to be their presidential candidates.

yeah, but Tandy 1000 is a more fasterer computer and in the great words of Herman Cain, it's only for nein nein nein!
http://videosift.com/video/Tandy-1000-commercial

Is this guy a relative of Herman Cain 999.

Part of the problem is that tipped minimum wage has been frozen (thanks to Herman Cain for a large part) at $2.13 since 1991. Even when they saw fit to raise the federal minimum to $7.25 in 2009, they didn't raise the tipped minimum. Since to keep up with inflation, minimum should be closer to $10.35, that puts tipped minimum far behind... and minimum is far below living wages... they should couple it back up with minimum and perhaps just drop that provision all together, then the servers could bust ass to make more on tips.

Some of the terms she used are used and understood by many Americans. Seems she was hanging out with a bunch of sheltered people. Who doesn't know flip flops=thongs or trunk=boot? The ATM thing is odd as I think the drive-through ATM is also a safety thing over having to walk out to an ATM on the side of the bank, plus the bank usually has a drive through anyhow, so it saves them money from having to build a shelter for the ATM and all that.

@longde

• I think knowledge about everything is always better (even about various ethnicities in my background); opposing data for normative reasons is never right.

• Ad hominems aren't an effective response to statistics, and I think in this case they also misunderstand; most of my interactions with African Americans are in athletic activities, where, by chance, my physical attributes are on the right side of the physical bell curve, and where people in general are nice and friendly. However, it'd be wrong to try to diminish someone's voice because of physical attributes, which are generally irrelevant in life.


Statistical differences in average crime rates between African Americans and e.g. Asians is a very reasonable statistical claim that everybody already agrees with; of course there are average differences between different groups in all manner of things. 1200% appears to be accurate.

My comment put AVERAGE in bold so that nobody would miss it. Using terms like "all black men" and references to Obama suggest you should take your advice on statistics and probability. The reason I tend to refer to Obama, Herman Cain's son, and Black Americans born in Africa is to emphasis differences in cultures and where group averages don't apply.


Sorry if it was upsetting. I know that when I feel misunderstood, it occopies time in my mind that'd I'd rather spend elsewhere. I do, though, like better knowledge achieved through multiple people's perspectives. So thanks for the discussions. Best wishes

Now that Newt indicated that he is stepping out of the race today there is only Mitt and Ron Paul. Mitt will have a good fight on his hands with Ron Paul.

Ron Paul is a Constitutionalists and would be the best hope for the country. His message speaks louder than his soft spoken manner.

>> ^GenjiKilpatrick:

Hah, so what you're saying is.. The Republicans don't have a chance.
>> ^bobknight33:
Glad he is no longer running. Now if we can get rid of Democrat Mitt Romney and get a real conservative then maybe the Republican party might have a chance.

Hah, so what you're saying is.. The Republicans don't have a chance.

>> ^bobknight33:

Glad he is no longer running. Now if we can get rid of Democrat Mitt Romney and get a real conservative then maybe the Republican party might have a chance.

@longde

Right, the exact science is that people can't claim they know he said something in order to support a pick and choose narrative.



"It doesn't make them gang affiliated."

Right, but people will use their brains and assign a probability that if you look like you like gangs, you might be involved in illegal activity, as Trayvon was.



"That's the thing about racism: it is based solely on appearance."

Definitely... appearance including attire, body mannerisms, linguistic mannerisms, and signals of what culture they belong to.

When Chris Rock says he looks over his shoulder at the ATM at night, he's not looking out for guys who look like Obama or Herman Cain's son.

(Advice for smart people: Be proactive and design your appearance and personal culture based on what works, not on what will make life harder for you.)

It was 65 degrees that night. I've lived in florida, that is not "fucking cold" weather.

Edit: I looked at the other link, and this other expert claims Zimmerman says "fucking punks". So two enhanced sound tracks with two experts with two different conclusions. Doesn't sound like an exact science to me.>> ^chilaxe:

@longde
The audio has since been clarified, but even in the beginning the "coon" claim was speculative.
http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/324776/201204
06/cold-coon-zimmerman-trayvon-martin-911-racial.htm
http://s2smagazine.com/stories/2012/04/enhanced-audio
-george-zimmermans-911-call-released
Zimmerman campaigned in the past on the side of African-Americans in his community against the local police department. For some reason that gets left out of these narratives.
Science is best left to data, which is always more interesting than evocative narratives that pick and choose.
But the point is that nobody can change that you can put any gang member or someone who thinks of themselves in that way in a gated community and you get the same results. And on the other hand, if you put Herman Cain's son (2nd from right) there, who probably doesn't have a gold grill and gang-like tattoos and doesn't like to fight, you get entirely different results.

No, you get the same result. It could be young Obama, and you get the same result. That's the thing about racism: it is based solely on appearance. Any interpretation of behavior is influenced by pre-conceived bias.

Also, stop blaming the victim! You can pull up facebook photos and youtube videos of young people of every race imitating rap stars. It doesn't make them gang affiliated.

>> ^chilaxe:

@longde
The audio has since been clarified, but even in the beginning the "coon" claim was speculative.
http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/324776/201204
06/cold-coon-zimmerman-trayvon-martin-911-racial.htm
http://s2smagazine.com/stories/2012/04/enhanced-audio
-george-zimmermans-911-call-released
Zimmerman campaigned in the past on the side of African-Americans in his community against the local police department. For some reason that gets left out of these narratives.
Science is best left to data, which is always more interesting than evocative narratives that pick and choose.
But the point is that nobody can change that you can put any gang member or someone who thinks of themselves in that way in a gated community and you get the same results. And on the other hand, if you put Herman Cain's son (2nd from right) there, who probably doesn't have a gold grill and gang-like tattoos, and doesn't like to fight, you get entirely different results.

@longde
The audio has since been clarified, but even in the beginning the "coon" claim was speculative.
http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/324776/20120406/cold-coon-zimmerman-trayvon-martin-911-racial.htm
http://s2smagazine.com/stories/2012/04/enhanced-audio-george-zimmermans-911-call-released

Zimmerman campaigned in the past on the side of African-Americans in his community against the local police department. For some reason that gets left out of these narratives.

Science is best left to data, which is always more interesting than evocative narratives that pick and choose.

But the point is that nobody can change that you can put any gang member or someone who thinks of themselves in that way in a gated community and you get the same results. And on the other hand, if you put Herman Cain's son (2nd from right) there, who probably doesn't have a gold grill and gang-like tattoos and doesn't like to fight, you get entirely different results.

He's not even that smart. From YT:

"The goldfish is fine, but our economy isn't. Are you Sick yet?"

Yes, yes sir, I am sick. I'm sick of giving money to save the economy, so I'm going to click the "Donate" button and give Herman Cain money to save the economy.

If you haven't seen the website yet, it's a joke. It's 1½ pages in Times New Roman.>> ^Kofi:

"Now, if I torture a fish in my ad then it will create controversy and I will be back in the spotlight. Lets do it"

"Here I am. Rock you like a Herman Cain!!!"

heh.

@chilaxe, I never know if you are serious or trolling, but since you admire Cain so much, perhaps it would interest you to know that you would also consider his parents low class and not well educated, who worked 'cognitively simplistic' jobs:

Herman Cain was born in Memphis, Tennessee, to Lenora Davis Cain, a cleaning woman and domestic worker, and Luther Cain, Jr., who was raised on a farm and worked as a barber and janitor, as well as a chauffeur for Coca-Cola Company president Robert W. Woodruff. Cain has said that as he was growing up, his family was "poor but happy." Cain related that his mother taught him about her belief that "success was not a function of what you start out with materially, but what you start out with spiritually". His father worked three jobs to own his own home — something he achieved during Cain's childhood — and to see his two sons graduate.

Also, the uploader is obviously in the Air Force, so he must have at least graduated from high school.