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Texas cop busts a pool party picking on the black teens

GenjiKilpatrick says...

Hey @lantern53

You're oddly silent.

What's your opinion on this one?

Good police work here?

I wonder why they only tackled and handcuffed the black kids tho.

Clearly they aren't racial bias or anything. Cops can't ever be racist.

They probably just knew exactly ever kid that did or didn't "belong" there
You know, like they personally know each and every kid and where they live.

So of course they only tackled the ones that were "trespassing" and "fighting".. right? o_O?

Either way, lawful or clearly morally unlawfully wrong.
ALWAYS obey the police, amirite?!

Texas cop busts a pool party picking on the black teens

GenjiKilpatrick says...

I swear to the god i don't believe in, Bob. You have the mental capacity of a 6 year old.

"Update, 2:05 p.m. – Buzzfeed News spoke to Brandon Brooks, who uploaded the video to Youtube. “I think a bunch of white parents were angry that a bunch of black kids who don’t live in the neighborhood were in the pool,” he said. “Everyone who was getting put on the ground was black, Mexican, Arabic,” he said.

“[The cop] didn’t even look at me. It was kind of like I was invisible.” Brooks is white."

I'll even concede the whole "cops needed to gain control of the situation"

Tho.. literally the only people handcuffed on the ground were black kids.

Why are you pretending like cops aren't racist, @lantern53

Explain why - even tho, as you stated @bobknight33, the cops didn't know WHO was fighting white, black or indifferent - only black kids where chased, thrown to the grown and handcuffed?

Did democrats brutalize and arrest them?
I thought dems love suckin' up to the black vote.
So.. ?

Care to explain? Either of you?

bobknight33 said:

Since the cop was gathering up black kids it appears that they were the uninvited guests and some broke out in fighting.

The girl was as the wrong place at the wrong time. The cop was in no mood to play around.

Once again obey, let the cop do what he needs to do and everyone moves on.

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JustSaying says...

And here's the interesting thing: you feel the need to show that good cops exist, to remind people of that.
If I wanna see a good cop, I walk into the local police station. These men and women aren't all perfect but I'm pretty sure in a conflict, they wouldn't shoot me or kneel on my face or kick me while I'm handcuffed. They're trained not to do that unless they have perfectly good reasons to do that. Perfectly good.
I don't live in your country. Nobody here needs good cop videos because in my part of the world, even unpleasant encounters involving the police don't necessarily reflect badly on the officers involved. We don't have your kind of horror stories here.
We have shitty cops, certainly, some pretty racist guys. Just go and read some reporting on the NSU (Nationalsozialistischer Untergrund), it's our little domestic terrorism problem showcasing how terrible our police can be.
Do you really think that can compete with the terrible shit in your country?
People in your country hate cops so much because the good ones allow the bad ones to dominate the public Image. They hate them because the whole institution has systematic problems with racism, accountability and excessive force.

lantern53 said:

When all you show are 'bad cop' videos, it is akin to showing nothing but videos of, let's say, black people fighting, misbehaving or whatever, and thinking that all black people act that way.

You would excoriate the poster for making all black people look bad, but when you post 'bad cop' videos, you immediately assume that all cops are bad.

If you did the same for black people, you would be considered, and called at length, a racist.

Now you do it for cops, what does that make you? Perhaps it makes you a newtboy.

You are a woman in handcuffs? Let me punch and kick you!

You are a woman in handcuffs? Let me punch and kick you!

lucky760 says...

At the arc of his wind-up right before he swings down that his fingers are extended up and out. Definitely a slap.

Still, my only point was is the marketing of this video as if a helpless woman is being savagely assaulted.

She kicked him and he slapped her.

Again, not a justified action by the cop, but also not a gang of violent, blood-thirsty cops pounding the shit out of a poor little innocent woman (which is more what I was expecting coming in here).

A title more to my liking would be along the lines of "Cop Overreacts to Minor Assault from Handcuffed Suspect." or "Hey, Stupid. Don't Kick Cops."

newtboy said:

To be fair, I looked closely. That totally looked like a closed fist to me, and a full force punch to the face, not a slap....followed by a forceful kick that missed.
Also, yes she kicked AT him, but did not appear to connect. I get she's idiotic to provoke the easily provoked thugs in blue. She obviously hasn't been paying attention to how they (over)react lately, and really she got off easy compared to many.

A month of paid vacation does not seem to be a reasonable 'punishment' for not only the battery, but also the falsifying a police report....unless it's at club fed.

jon stewart-rage against the rage against the machine

newtboy says...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7cO2BLmc6yQ

http://www.alternet.org/civil-liberties/not-war-its-12-year-old-boy-crowd-erupts-when-cop-beats-handcuffed-boy-video

One more example today why we DON'T think more cops is helpful, it's just more abusive. Proper use of force is no longer the norm.

Lawdeedaw said:

As a sidebar I should add that in proper uses of force, not Garner's particular situation at all, the more officers on a subject the better. This prevents injury by immobilizing someone. The more someone moves the more force that eventually has to be used. That is the principle behind the tazer. Yeah, I could rip you off the car door you grab on to resist arrest, or I could taze you. Potentially rip your arm out of its socket, or shock you for five seconds...same with three or four people grabbing you to gain compliance. Same reason handcuffs are applied.

jon stewart-rage against the rage against the machine

newtboy says...

People who believe that are mistaken.
As I've told you before, I had an instance where an officer misread my license plate and assumed my car was stolen, so he yanked me out of my car angrily and forcibly at gunpoint, throwing me to the ground and jumping on me, wrenching my arms back and handcuffing me as tight as humanly possible....while I did absolutely nothing but comply. When he finally figured out his mistake, he was insulting and threatening, telling me to not report it because he had my address. (And that's not the only inappropriate police activity I've been subjected to by police)
My feelings about how police act come from direct personal experience with them.
That is proof enough in my eyes that your statement is simply ridiculous. It's certainly looking like most people today think that no matter how you act, if you are targeted by police, you are in serious danger for your freedom and safety (guilty or not), and there's absolutely nothing you can do to avoid the assault. Today, only a small percentage of people think otherwise, and many of them either wear or wash a uniform (meaning are closely related to a cop).

lantern53 said:

I think the majority of people believe that if you act civilized you will not have any trouble with the police, and that the police have a difficult job to do and that the police will risk their lives to protect the lives and property of others.

Only a small percentage of people believe otherwise.

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newtboy says...

You are incorrect. If you are held, handcuffed, and taken in I think nearly 100% of people would call that 'arrested', including the police. The reason for the arrest is irrelevant to the fact that it is an arrest.
The police themselves have repeatedly told me that if you are being held, even to be given a ticket, you are under arrest. If you have been handcuffed, you have been arrested. If you're taken in against your wishes, you're under arrest.
SWEET ZOMBIE JEBUS! If you 'won't watch the video', stop commenting on it, it makes you a moron to speak with authority about things you have absolutely no idea about. It's not long, what's your problem?

Lawdeedaw said:

Not always. A person baker-acted is taken to jail for his own protection. He is cuffed and dumped into the back of a patrol car just like everyone else but few would say that someone taken in because he has displayed obvious signs that he will kill himself is hardly under arrest. After the normal 72 hours of substandard help he or she is free to go without a criminal charge.

Moving someone out of a particularly embarrassing/dangerous situation is another example. I won't watch the video so I don't know. It's too sad--that we have laws on the books for this. But it does make rich people feel safe I guess. My only legitimate reasoning is that the rich won't pay for housing these people in humane living conditions while they fear them.

man pepper sprayed in his own home as "burglar"

newtboy says...

How many times have you been accosted in your home in the middle of the night with guns drawn pointed at you and unknown people screaming contradictory commands at you from the dark?
OK, I'll be over tonight to sneak into your kids room and wake them up by screaming commands at them, they'll have .7 seconds to comply before the bear mace comes out, and I'm terribly sorry but I'll be forced to shoot you dead if you interfere. That's perfectly acceptable behavior, right? (not a real threat, simply an example of what you claim is OK for you to do)

Goly, you mean a cop who's stopped by other cops might not have a problem (because you say first and foremost 'hey guys, I'm also a cop'). Well, I guess that makes all this insane violent abuse just fine then, so sorry to have complained about it.

You've heard MANY instances of sifters being arrested improperly, you discount them all or completely ignore them. I'll repeat just one of mine for you....again.
Pulled out of my car at gunpoint, violently thrown to the ground and jumped on, then handcuffed/arrested. (I was FULLY compliant with all directions given.) All that happened because the cop read my clean, well lit license plate wrong and then wrongly assumed my car was stolen. No apology when he realized his mistake, only threats that he 'knew where I lived now' if I reported his actions...which I did. Lucky for all he was just 'bluffing' with his threat, or I might be in prison still for shooting a cop in my home.

What we need are far more prosecutors that are willing to hit cops with the full power of law EVERY time they are criminal, or even appear criminal. Those cops need to go into gen pop in prison and live with the full consequences of their actions, not get separated into a special 'prison' for cops with special rights, cells, privileges, food, and far less abuse by jailers and other prisoners...that's not real prison. It's almost like club fed.

You apparently think those are the two choices....either bend over and take it up the ass by criminal cops that are liars (bluffers), thugs, thieves, and murderers OR live in Mad Max times with no cops at all. It's incredibly sad and telling that you can't see the third option, of hold cops to at least the same legal standards private citizens are held to (or higher) and insist they work FOR their community and it's residents (even the black one's) instead of against it, and PROSECUTE them when they violate those standards. To you that's ridiculous, to us it's necessary.

lantern53 said:

Would have been instructive if the reporter had asked the officer or the chief to give their version of the events.

Pepper spray is not deadly, it's a nasty irritant. If the kid had followed directions, he would not have been pepper-sprayed.

I've been stopped numerous times by the police for traffic infractions and never once have I had a problem. My brother who used to drive OTR semis got stopped frequently and has never been arrested, never had his windows busted out.

If anyone viewing this website has had their windows busted out or gotten arrested for something improperly, I'd like to hear it.

What this country needs is a one day blue-flu, and we'll see what happens when everything is legal.

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newtboy says...

WHAT?!?
So, we can't beat them fighting in the middle east, but we should still go to war there to keep them from 'coming here'...exactly how does that work? By fighting an unwinnable 'war' and causing FAR more collateral damage than those we are attacking have we CREATE ISIS and it's cohorts, and give them a REASON to come to our shores. The 'came here' BECAUSE we invaded them and continue to occupy more and more and exert more and more outside control over them, not the other way around, buddy.
But don't get me wrong, now that we've created and armed them, we have a responsibility to 'deal' with them. I only wish we dealt with them by supporting the locals so much that they would rather support the US over others, rather than by bombing all of them and wondering why the survivors don't love us. That CAN'T stop terrorism, because it IS terrorism.
yeah, not too worried that ISIS might build a nuke any time soon, Iran hasn't.
When you shoot Dillinger in the head while he's handcuffed, and his dog, and burn his home with his family inside, and his neighbors homes, you will automatically create at least one Dillinger Jr., if not many. It's this dehumanizing, 'our fear outweighs your life' methodology that has created the problem where a large portion of the world hates us enough to be willing to die just to hurt or scare us, and I wish we would re-think it rather than keep doubling down and hoping for different results. It's doing the same for police lately.

lantern53 said:

I agree that fighting in the Middle East is an apparent exercise in futility, but if we don't fight it there, it will eventually reach our shores, as it did on 9/11.

ISIS will continue to grow and create their little caliphate, control the oil, raise money, eventually build or buy a nuke, and use it on western democracies.

Fight it now, and I don't care if it is boots on the ground, or drones in the air.

I live in a suburb, but I support law enforcement efforts in the city. There is never an end to crime, there is no winning against crime, you just have to fight it because it is the right thing to do. Just because you shoot Dillinger in the head doesn't mean his son will automatically become Dillinger Jr.

ISIS is evil, and war is ugly, but to suggest that you should just wait until it reaches your shore is being blind to reality. Most of the people in the ME do not support radial Islam. They don't want that shit anymore than anyone else.

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newtboy says...

If that's honestly the extent of your use of force, and they all were proper arrests on people who were also resisting (you only said one of them was resisting), and those you brandished at were armed and violently resisting, that sounds acceptable, but totally abnormal. I would guess that not all those you brandished at were armed threats.
EDIT:A good question....was every suspect you used force against convicted? If not, it seems you made a mistake and were a violent assailant to an 'innocent citizen' yourself, no? If there's no repercussion for those kinds of 'bad acts', how do you know it's wrong? (I'll answer, it seems you don't.)
My experience has been that cops brandish their weapons at anyone they think may be criminal, including those only guilty of 'contempt of cop', like me when a cop read my license plate wrong and assumed the car was stolen, so he violently threw me to the ground at gunpoint and violently handcuffed me (as tight as he could make them go) and acted like a douchebag bully until he realized his mistake. (I followed all his directions to the T without pause but was still treated like I was resisting.) Then there's no apology, in fact he said something more like 'You know why I did that, now go on your way or I'll find something else to arrest you for, and don't think about making a complaint, I know where you live now.' That's only one instance in my life out of many where cops did not act properly, due to no fault of my own. (I was not intimidated by his threat and did make a formal complaint anyway.)

That's 3 shootings (maybe 2 were the same cop?). It sounds like one may have been improper, shooting someone in the back is usually not acceptable, unless he had just been shooting at the cop and turned to run just before being shot, or was running at someone else that needed protecting. If he was not an immediate threat to someone, there was no reason to shoot him in the back rather than track him until he could be safely arrested.
It seems you have a problem understanding our position. We understand that 95% of interactions with cops are done properly and often respectfully. That does not excuse the other 5% by any means, just as it does not excuse someone from committing murder if they were a fine, upstanding citizen otherwise. Get it? It only takes one bad act to erase all your good acts. That's the way of the world. You can't say 'Yeah, I raped that 6 year old, but come on guys, I take good care of little old ladies the rest of the time, so it's fine.'. That doesn't play, neither does 'Most of the time we're good cops, so we should get a pass for those 'rare' times when we are terrible thugs and violent criminals.'
EDIT: It's not only deadly force that is inappropriately applied. You don't have to end up murdering the citizen to have acted inappropriately violent. I hope I'm not telling you something you don't know, only pointing out something you ignored.
The fact that you don't seem to think mandatory counseling is appropriate for those in 'authority' that have failed in their job (to protect citizens) and resorted to using force against citizens (yes, I consider that a fail, there's nearly always another option) is bothering. As I explained, it leaves you feeling it's 'us VS them' (which has been shown to be your mindset from your past comments) and that's terrible for someone in authority to think. I think you need counseling to fix that mindset, and find it troubling that you might disagree (yet are still in a position of power).

lantern53 said:

I have wrestled with a few people (mostly females), tackled a few people who were running from the police, pointed my weapon at a few people, and drive-stunned (taser) one guy who was resisting arrest. That's it for 30 years.

My dept. usually had around 35 officers and I've known two of them since 1975 or so who have shot at anyone. One officer shot a guy who was trying to run him over in a car, that guy was killed. The officer left the dept and found other work.
Another officer-involved shooting was an officer who shot a guy who had committed a homicide and was running away.
One shooting involved a cop who was shot at and returned fire, hitting one guy with a grazing shot.
So that's a hell of a lot of interactions with people (average about 2000 people per year arrested) with very little deadly force involved.

If you want to counsel police officers involved in using force...that's fine with me.

bronx man beaten and arrested on video for no charge

lucky760 says...

That's the problem with this practice which is becoming more and more commonplace:

You *must* accept getting handcuffed and detained for doing absolutely nothing wrong OR you are handcuffed and arrested and beaten for not accepting it.

Those are not the civil rights granted to the people of this country by its founders and our constitution. You should not be forced under suspicion of NOTHING and with ZERO explanation to be handcuffed and detained or else expect to be beaten and arrested.

Even if they happened to be familiar with the guy and knew that he was on parole and were in their rights to search him without cause, they certainly shouldn't have had any cause to handcuff him for just sitting there doing nothing.

They're effectively just manufacturing a reason to arrest (and beat) him. It almost seems like the logic is "This guy is doing nothing wrong, but I bet he will resist (aka. ask my why he's) being handcuffed, so I'm going to get him to resist so I have a reason to arrest him."

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lantern53 says...

jeez, there's more casual violence in the average flag football game than there were in my 30 years of LE experience.

Also, you don't use your gun as a club, get real.

Dying from pepper spray? Unlikely, but people have died from being handcuffed. I've seen dead people who died while taking a nap, people in their 30s. There is risk in everything. Kids die from choking on breakfast cereal. Whattya gonna do?

I remember picking up this dude at the county jail, had some kind of breathing apparatus on him. I put him in back of my cruiser and the a/c was barely working and wasn't reaching the back seat at all, real hot day. I'm watching him in the mirror and he's fading. I thought, good god, this guy could die back there. So I pulled off the freeway and opened the door. 'Get in the front!'. I put the vents on him and he started coming around and before long we were talking football.
Of course, you won't see any video of that.

Why I Don't Like the Police

newtboy says...

How many times did you 'use' your gun? How many of those times would pepper spray have sufficed?
The instance I spoke of was a completely improper application of pepper spray (with cotton swabs directly to the eyeballs) was to handcuffed people sitting in front of a building (a building with other entrances, so not blocking any business or access I might add). It was all about asserting their power because someone didn't respect their authoratah.
The other recent incident was people handcuffed sitting on a bike path (with other pathways easily used to get around them)...once again, no need for violence other than frustration at not being 'obeyed'...absolutely none.
Thousands of people are treated violently by cops in their own home yearly who aren't making meth, didn't have any argument with anyone, but were simply in the wrong home when the cops either made a mistake or acted on bad information. What about them? That's why I say the cops need to be swatted at least once a year, so they remember what it's like and don't act like asshats.

lantern53 said:

As for pepper-spraying people...I carried pepper spray for 30 yrs, never used it.

If a cop is using it on 'non-violent' protesters sitting in the street, it's because his supervisor said 'clear the street, cars have to move through here'. See...because you've already told 20 people to move out of the street and guess what...they didn't do it.

As for being treated violently by other cops, the reason cop's families don't get treated violently is because they generally don't make meth in their kitchen, they don't engage in violent domestic arguments, etc.



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