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black sabbath-electric funeral-remastered

ChaosEngine says...

Yeah, I have heard similar, but it's always from people who don't listen to metal.

Don't get me wrong, Led Zep are one of the greatest bands ever, but they're rock (with some amazing blues, folk, country, etc. thrown in).

They have a couple of songs (Communication Breakdown, Immigrant Song, for example) that are almost-kinda-sorta-approaching metal... but that doesn't make them a metal band, any more than Solitude makes Sabbath a folk band.

And anyone who thinks Sabbath have only a few good songs either doesn't like metal (fair enough, taste is subjective, etc) or has only listened to a few Sabbath songs.

enoch said:

@ChaosEngine

hehe,specifically it was a dude i was in boot camp with.he was a massive hendrix and zeppelin fan and was not into sabbath.which of course our first liberty we both got drunk and traded our favorite songs from both bands.

but i even heard it when i moved to jacksonville florida.everybody told me that zeppelin were the masters of metal and sabbath were only good for a couple of songs.

say whaaaaaaaa?

i had to show them the error of their ways.

Grace Slick Vocals Isolated - White Rabbit

Why Planes Don't Fly Faster

jimnms says...

There is so much wrong with this video I don't even know where to start. First, there are only two types of aircraft engines, piston and turbine. When a turbine is used to drive a propeller, it's called a turbo prop. When he is talking about turbo props, he shows pictures of a piston driven propeller aircraft (Cessna 41x), and piston engines are the most common type of engine used on propeller driven aircraft, not turbo props.

He mostly gets it right about turbo jets, except again, every aircraft he shows when talking about turbo jets uses a turbo fan (the F-15 and F-16 both use afterburning turbofan engines). They get their thrust from the hot expansion of exhaust gasses, but he gets it wrong with turbo fans, which get most of their thrust from the bypass air from the fan.

Why I Left the Left

dubious says...

There are some valid points here, but I think there are multiple interpretations to these issues and it's not so clear cut.

I'll just pick an easy one. Trigger warnings are no more a restriction of free speech then calling a movie rated R VS PG13, it's just more specific, so lets get that out of the way. Take a read of a classic like John Stuart Mills “On Liberty”. He does a great dissemination of freedom and balancing it with causing harm developing the harm principle and the offense principle. It's well thought out and addresses these very issues. There is a recognition that free speech should be regulated depending on if it causes harm. For instance it's illegal to yell “fire!” in a crowded movie theater since it could cause harm from a stampede of people trying to leave. I apologize if I get things wrong, but the following is my understanding here, but look here if you're interested. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Stuart_Mill#Theory_of_liberty)

It's a difficult concept to define what is an act of harm. In general this is highly related to concepts of political correctness and has it's very roots in classical liberal thought. In my understanding, Mill would say not to restrict free speech in the case offense only in the case of harm. However, psychology and neuroscience make this line less distinct in caseses of trama or deep internalized concepts where we might see words leading to genuine harm of an individual, not just offense. This means that harm is less universal and depends on the individual and it leads to the idea of separating spaces based on the line between offense and harm. My understanding is the idea of rating systems, red light districts come from this. Also, now, a newer concept of safe spaces. It's easy to say that people should just suck it up, but it's not always that clear cut and there is historical precedence for this idea.

FEC case exposes paid actor Trump supporters

newtboy says...

Link only loads an ad for me, no article....but from the title seems to be a report from a single person making a claim, which would not be proof by far. If they offer evidence not just one guy's claim, let me know and I'll find and read it elsewhere.
Don't get me wrong, I don't put paying some protesters above the Dems, but that amount is ludicrous.

My guess is it's probably someone from Veritas pretending to be anti Trump and making up lies to make real anti Trumpers look bad, like they've been caught doing time and time again. That amount is insane and would be easy to trace if true, there are more protesters than supporters in DC, it would cost hundreds of millions to pay them like that.

bobknight33 said:

http://abcnews.com.co/donald-trump-protester-speaks-out-i-was-paid-to-protest/

We live in odd time -- paid to protest, paid to support. But hey its a job.

has rachel maddow lost her mind?

newtboy says...

No prob, I was just wondering.
Oh...I'm sorry you took it that way. I gave her a pass on this story alone, and only on the specific detail that she didn't say what the commentator claimed she did, but she did IMPLY what he said, and to those that don't listen closely, that's likely what they heard. I did not "buy it", I do hear what she came close to saying, and I call her out for being completely biased in her assessments and implications about what this means. You are correct, however, that while I APEAR to give her a pass for qualifying, I would likely not give those on the right the same....but that's only an appearance. Her IMPLICATION that this would "prove" they have something on Trump is just biased, conjecture, and wrong, and is a reason I don't watch her, even though I agree mostly with her takes on things.....mostly.
Kyle was lying when he reported what she said....and that's what I took issue with. I also took issue with his take on the issue that Russia militarizing it's borders isn't something to guard against...history proves him wrong.

The 'proof' of Russian involvement in the hacking is classified, you won't get to see it. That's an issue with Trump decrying the intelligence community (who didn't really get Iraq wrong, btw, they were clear in their uncertainty in their reports, but the administration erased any hint of uncertainty and claimed the redacted reports were fact publicly.)...but as a whole, I still have some trust in them...perhaps it's misplaced but I have a hard time believing so many intelligence organizations came to the same specific conclusions based on pure bias.

Um...Russia expanded into 2 countries recently, and are eyeing the other Slavic states. To me, that's a renewal of a hot war if we ever react like we're obligated to by treaty, until we do, it's a renewal of the cold war (and a violation of numerous treaties, including https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum_on_Security_Assurances) ...one that the pentagon is probably quite happy about, granted.

Again, don't feel you have to defend your viewpoint from me, or your admiration for a reporter....but allow me to have my own viewpoint, and to state and explain it if I choose. I am also quite biased, but not to the point of exclusion of fact.


EDIT: As to the troop placement in the Eastern NATO countries, I would like to see minutes of the 1990 summit where this agreement/guarantee was either made or not, not just reports of what Putin says today VS what Gorbachev says today...I want to see what was ACTUALLY said in the meeting, and more important, what was SIGNED by the parties. That the Russians haven't produced a signed treaty guaranteeing NATO wouldn't deploy farther in the East EVER is a pretty good indicator to me that it was not agreed on, so claims about what may have been SAID during negotiations are moot and have no bearing at all on what was agreed on. It's possible there was that agreement, if they just point us to it, I'll be on their side on this topic (unless it included a clause like "unless Russia begins expansion back into it's now independent satellites")

Pulling a Steel Beam Apart

North Korean Refugees Try American BBQ

robbersdog49 says...

I can't believe I'm doing this but I think I agree with bob.

While people will tell you that bad things happen in N. Korea it's not really big news. If it were reported more often and with more vigour then there might be a will to do something about it.

When was the last time you saw a news story about how bad conditions are in N. Korea? When the US or UK governments want to do something about a country like this the media is flooded with it. People get behind the cause because they hear so much about it. This isn't happening with N. Korea because no one seems bothered by it. Americans and British will tell you how important it is that something is done about Muslim states, but wouldn't even think to mention N. Korea, not because N. Korea is so much better but because they just don't think about it because they're not told about it all the time.

Don't get me wrong, I think it's shit that the world works this way, but it does and if we want to get things done we need to understand this.

newtboy said:

Really? Who in the hell is possibly ignorant of the atrocities that comprise life in N. Korea? You would have to live in a cave or be in a coma.

RT -- Chris Hedges on Media, Russia and Intelligence

newtboy says...

Time will tell. You are clearly more optimistic about his abilities than I.

Most Fox propaganda is available on the internet and talk radio, unavoidably since it is repeated and amplified in the hall of mirrors that is right wing media.

Um....I think we have a point of agreement here. 24 hour news networks create 'news' drama so they have something to report, I wish they didn't come into existence in the first place, and I absolutely wish they never reported opinion. If I ruled all media, I would go farther and also require the major networks to produce news as a public service instead of paying for airtime with advertising. Require it to be 1/2-1 hour of commercial free news daily, no opinion, no sponsored content, and a limit on how much Associated Press material they could use (forcing them to do at least some of their own investigations). For that service, I would give them a discount on what they pay for broadcasting rights, but fine them big time for getting facts wrong. As my pops said, you don't need to know the truth to keep from lying.

bobknight33 said:

I would agree.

At this stage in our economy we do need a leader who can get America back on its feet. Trump, as lackluster in integrity as he is was still the better pick to turn this ship around.

By the way I do not watch FOX-- I do not have cable-- only internet and radio to get news.. Fox is bias like the rest. The NEWS portion is good, but the rest, like the rest ( CNN,MSNBC) are opinion shows. 23 hr of spin a day.


Maybe we need to ban all 24 hr news and go back to 1 hr /day.

sam harris on the religion of identity politics

ChaosEngine says...

The one time he allows for a persons life experience, he gets it wrong.

"My mom is Catholic and she believes in hell" is absolutely NOT a valid response to "Catholics don't believe in hell". For someone who believes in data, that's a terrible response. It's a sample size of one out of over 1 billion. And if you were to dig up the canonical Catholic teaching on hell, that STILL wouldn't be the right data (the argument was "Catholics don't believe in hell", not "Catholicism does not teach the concept of hell". Even if you were to say "actually every Catholic I know believes in hell" that's still not a valid argument, unless you know thousands of Catholics.

I've lost a lot of respect for Sam Harris over the years and this just reinforces that.

Of course, data is important, especially when it comes to things like whether vaccines cause autism (they don't).

But if you're talking about things like how police treat black people or whether women are paid less in the workplace... the life experience of those people are a vital part of the data, especially when the data isn't clear cut.

This Sums Up Motherhood In 34 Seconds

Esoog says...

Exactly. Not everyone on this earth is meant to be a parent. Just like most things in life, it takes a person with the right personality, skills, traits, whatever, do be a good parent. I'm a father of a 4 year old, and while I think I'm a good dad, I have my flaws. But I knew what I was getting into. While is also why I stopped at 1 kid. He's awesome. (so far) We hit the jackpot, and I'm good with 1 and done.

It drives me crazy when I hear parents of 1, 2, 3, 4+ kids complaining that they never have free time....don't have enough money...bad mouthing their kids...

If that's how you feel, then why did you have kids?! If that's what you wanted, then you need to be all in and don't complain about something you had total control to prevent. "But I got 4 kids!" Well, you know how that happened right?

And don't get me wrong. I'm not judging the lady in this video. It could be short, tongue in cheek humor. I'm talking about people I personally know.

Truckchase said:

Why have kids if you intend to be selfish into old age?

Donald Trump Transition Turmoil: A Closer Look

harlequinn says...

Ah-ha, yep, sure.

Because, recently speaking, media organisations have a great history of not exaggerating situations, making things up, or just plain old getting it wrong.

Free Skates Are Strangely Awesome

poolcleaner says...

It's kinda like a combination Heely and skateboard but with inline wheels like rollerblades. Don't get me wrong, I love old school type tricks, but I'd love to see the types of transition tricks and grinds people will start coming up with. Take it from adorable new trend to shredding at the X Games. Awesome new pastime.

Why Home Ownership is Actually a Terrible Investment

ChaosEngine says...

House prices in major cities are a huge problem, undoubtedly.

But I see that as orthogonal to whether buying a house is a smart decision or not.

Obviously, if you can't afford the deposit, then buying is really an option (and don't get me wrong, that sucks, and we NEED to do something about that), but this video appears to be aimed at people who COULD buy a home.

Jinx said:

Dunno. Rent here is just as exorbitant as house prices. And yeah, the deposit is usually the major block for new buyers - if you can afford to rent where you want to buy chances are you can afford the mortgage repayments. If you don't have the bank of mum and dad backing you, goooooood fucking luck.

Store Cat Food vs Homemade

Payback says...

Anyone who spends this much time making a meal for their cat needs a girlfriend/boyfriend/fuckbuddy.

Don't get me wrong, I understand WHY he's doing it, but honestly, the cat doesn't give a shit and is probably going "WHY I CAN'T JUST HAZ CHEEZBURGER? WHY IZ YOU TEEZING MES?"

Cat's birthdays are 134% about the owner. The cat could NOT care less, and usually is somewhat put out.

artician said:

Are they married?



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