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mintbbb (Member Profile)

The new russian 5th generation stealth fighter Sukhoi T-50

Drachen_Jager says...

Yeah, but the Russian designs cost 10% of the American counterpart, and in the case of the F22, they actually work well enough to use on a battlefield (Air Force refused to use F22s in Iraq and Afghanistan because they were deemed unsafe for combat conditions).

If I were an American I certainly would not brag about the state of the US fighter jet program.

VoodooV said:

always get a kick out of how russian designs are so similar to US designs.

The proposed russian design for the space shuttle was ridiculously similar to our space shuttle.

kulpims (Member Profile)

Canada Gets Rid of the Penny (Huzzah!)

notarobot says...

Hurray! Canada gets rid of the penny!

- We also got rid of 19,200 jobs! (1)
- Increased the retirement age to 67 years old for eligibility to receive pensioners. (2)
- Slashed funding to the elections Canada (on the eve of investigations into election fraud!) /Source.
- Scaled back of youth programs including the elimination of the Katimavik work exchange program.
- The news organization most capable of reporting on government actions and fraud is severely cut. (3)

And, it spite of all the cuts due to overspending, we're still committed to purchasing several F-35 JSF "White Elephants" from war profiteers, Lockheed Martin. Link.
Canadians taxpayers are still paying 31 Billion to serve the INTEREST on outstanding debt to private banks. (4)
Universities continue to be so underfunded that 200,000 students protested in the streets of Montreal last month. (5)


(1) This would be equivalent of Obama suddenly eliminating about 180,000 public servant jobs in the United States if scaled for population.
(2) Except for politicians, who can still begin to receive their pension as early as 55 until after the next election. info!
(3) The CBC takes budget nosedive on the chin. Link.
(4) And who benefits from that interest payment? Surely not the same people who contribute to political campaigns!! Harper unwilling to actually cut spending.
(5) http://videosift.com/video/Montreal-Students-Protest-Timelapse-March-22-2012

But, hey, at least we got rid of the penny!!
Focus on the shiny coin!

Jetman vs Jetteam

СИГНАЛ (Signal)

СИГНАЛ (Signal)

Vertical Landing. Do you get this? VERTICAL JET LANDING

ChaosEngine says...

FTFY
>> ^criticalthud:

and...because of drones, it is utterly irrelevant.


Actually, and while I'm on this soapbox, @EMPIRE is right. By the title of this video, I though I was going to see something impressive, like landing on a vertical surface. Sure there are aspects of the F35 that are impressive, but VTOL is not one of them.

It's kinda like showing off a smart phone and going "it's a smartphone THAT MAKES PHONECALLS!!"

That said, while I am philosophically and pragmatically opposed to spending billions on flying killing machines that don't even have an enemy to fight, fighter jets are generally some of the most impressive bits of engineering around.

>> ^lantern53:

War is hell, but learning chinese would be worse.


Don't worry, the Chinese will never invade. They will simply foreclose.

Vertical Landing. Do you get this? VERTICAL JET LANDING

SDGundamX says...

>> ^quantumushroom:

http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/year_spending_2011USbt_12bs1n_
40#usgs302
Defense is 16% of the budget. Health, Education and Welfare are all close.

>> ^honkeytonk73:
Sure it looks cool. The technology is extremely impressive. BUT the cash can be far better spent elsewhere. When citizens in this country are dealing with poverty and economic collapse, buying a fighter jet is plain stupid.



Uh, you quoted the wrong table--that table is the aggregate of all federal, state, and local spending, which drastically dilutes the numbers. The actual federal table is here: http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/piechart_2011_US_fed

You can see that defense is 25% of the federal budget. Second comes health care at 23% (Medicade, etc.), and third comes pensions at 21% (Social Security). Education, which I would argue is probably the greatest defense against warfare, gets a whopping 3% nod from the feds.

Vertical Landing. Do you get this? VERTICAL JET LANDING

spoco2 says...

>> ^quantumushroom:

http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/year_spending_2011USbt_12bs1n_
40#usgs302
Defense is 16% of the budget. Health, Education and Welfare are all close.

>> ^honkeytonk73:
Sure it looks cool. The technology is extremely impressive. BUT the cash can be far better spent elsewhere. When citizens in this country are dealing with poverty and economic collapse, buying a fighter jet is plain stupid.



Are you saying this as if it's right?

You spend more on building and maintaining things for killing people than you do on teaching people (16% vs 14%), you spend a lot more on killing people than caring for those in need (16% vs 11%), only a fraction of what is spent on war is spent on giving decent transportation to you all (16% vs 4%), and healthcare is barely above war (16% vs 18%)... What if... crazy, I know, what if you cut that spending, that $964 BILLION (That's almost a fricken TRILLION dollars) in half... you'd have $480 BILLION to spend on BETTER things than armies and fucking weapons.

It's utterly sickening that your healthcare and education are scrounging for funds when that insane amount of money is available for use.

Sickening.

Vertical Landing. Do you get this? VERTICAL JET LANDING

Vertical Landing. Do you get this? VERTICAL JET LANDING

honkeytonk73 says...

Sure it looks cool. The technology is extremely impressive. BUT the cash can be far better spent elsewhere. When citizens in this country are dealing with poverty and economic collapse, buying a fighter jet is plain stupid.

Vertical Landing. Do you get this? VERTICAL JET LANDING

Sylvester_Ink says...

Just a note, the F-22 production costs are currently more expensive than the F-35, but that's because the F-35 hasn't ramped up to full production yet. Once that becomes the case, the F-35 will end up costing more until its production stabilizes, and by that time the F-22 will end up dropping in price. Also of note, the F-22 surpasses the F-35 in most combat capabilities, be it air-to-air or air-to-ground. It has the capability of carrying more armaments, and a greater variety of armaments. It also has a better stealth aspect, higher speed, longer fuel range, and better maneuverability.
That's not to say that the F-35 is unnecessary. It's quicker to deploy and has better carrier capabilities. This is what it needs to fulfill its role as a strike fighter, whereas the F-22 is a superiority fighter.
This is why the F-15 Eagle has been in use for such a long time, alongside the F-16 Falcon, and the F-18 Hornet. While the Eagle was the main superiority fighter until the F-22, the Hornet and Falcon are carrier-capable, making their deployment easier.

Okay, wandered off for a bit there . . . long story short, fighter jets r cool.

NORAD ordered to stand down on 9/11

9/11/2001 Memories ... (History Talk Post)

Hybrid says...

I remember it vividly. I was at home in the UK, watching day time soap opera "Neighbours" on the BBC. As soon as it finished there was an announcement saying they were breaking away from regularly programming to join BBC News. As soon as they joined, it was live footage of one of the towers burning. Then while live, the second plane hit. That sent a huge shiver down my spine. I then sat in front of that TV for about 4 hours until my father came home from work.

Throughout those hours, the Pentagon got hit, the plane crashed in Pennsylvania, and both WTC towers came crashing down. There was footage of fighter jets patrolling over the cities, panic in the newsreaders, their interviewees and the public. Confusion, shock and disbelief everywhere.

It was a declaration of war, and it changed the world we live in today in an instant.



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