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ChaosEngine says...

You know what's really good for stopping tyrannical governments? Free and open elections.

How about instead of perpetuating this fantasy where a bunch of guys with AR-15s are gonna take on a government with fucking PREDATOR DRONES, you try and fix your insanely broken electoral system?

Start with repealing Citizens United, then you can move on to fixing gerrymandering, dismantling the electoral college and finally, find a way to get rid of the lobbyist block.

Do all that, and you won't need to overthrow your government. Not that you could anyway.

Oprah For America! Really?

bobknight33 says...

Hillary won popular vote by 2.2% .

Trump won Electoral College Victory by 24% victory over Hillary.

And you thing Hillary should have won POTUS.
Hillary has a better chance of going to jail than the White House. Both slim to none.

newtboy said:

48.2% to 46.1%...landslide....for the one with 46.1%?
Keep dreaming. That's winning by technicality at best.
In 10 months, Trump becomes a lame duck president and we can all contain and ignore him. In 2 years and 10 months, we'll tear up his tax scam.
I, like you, hope that's not under president Winfrey.

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bobknight33 says...

Electoral college is ALL that matters in the election.
Sorry that you side just can't comes to terms with reality. Maybe try some therapy.
Tripling the deficit... To what?
The rest of your text is just gibberish, pure garbage.. Of course he will benefit He is a tax payer.

Trump is doing a great job as POTUS.

newtboy said:

That means he LOST the election by a landslide, but won the electoral college by a landslide.
It's really wishful thinking to believe he could do it again...even against Hillary. At this point, most of those independents and many republicans have voter's remorse.
Only one person agrees with your assessment of his performance, him.

Tripling the deficit in his first year with one law designed to benefit his own family at the expense of the indigent is not what anyone needs....anyone who's American. Only our enemies could see that as good....so you must not be an American.

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newtboy says...

That means he LOST the election by a landslide, but won the electoral college by a landslide.
It's really wishful thinking to believe he could do it again...even against Hillary. At this point, most of those independents and many republicans have voter's remorse.
Only one person agrees with your assessment of his performance, him.

Tripling the deficit in his first year with one law designed to benefit his own family at the expense of the indigent is not what anyone needs....anyone who's American. Only our enemies could see that as good....so you must not be an American.

bobknight33 said:

306 VS 232 Electoral college votes . Land slide.
Keep crying for another 7 years.

Trump is doing a great job.
He is exactly what you need as POTUS.

Oprah For America! Really?

bobknight33 says...

306 VS 232 Electoral college votes . Land slide.
Keep crying for another 7 years.

Trump is doing a great job.
He is exactly what you need as POTUS.

newtboy said:

48.2% to 46.1%...landslide....for the one with 46.1%?
Keep dreaming. That's winning by technicality at best.
In 10 months, Trump becomes a lame duck president and we can all contain and ignore him. In 2 years and 10 months, we'll tear up his tax scam.
I, like you, hope that's not under president Winfrey.

Oprah For America! Really?

bobknight33 says...

Popular vote does not mean jack.. keep dreaming

Hillary was to win by a land slide but just the opposite happened

306 VS 232 Electoral college votes . Land slide.

StukaFox said:

He didn't "beat the heck out of her", he lost the popular vote. The majority of voters voted for Clinton. Those votes were stolen by the worthless Electoral College and an immature, pedophile-enabling, chronic liar was put in a position of power.

The first thing that needs to happen to restore America to sanity is flushing the Electoral College. It's a useless relic, and serves zero purpose in modern times.

Oprah For America! Really?

StukaFox says...

He didn't "beat the heck out of her", he lost the popular vote. The majority of voters voted for Clinton. Those votes were stolen by the worthless Electoral College and an immature, pedophile-enabling, chronic liar was put in a position of power.

The first thing that needs to happen to restore America to sanity is flushing the Electoral College. It's a useless relic, and serves zero purpose in modern times.

bobknight33 said:

Opera, as good as she is is not up to the task of POTUS.

She would have to fight the Democratic field and beat all those in line. She is to nice to engage political fighting,

Who ever ends up facing Trump will get their lunch handed to them. He did it it to the 15 Republicans then faced Hillary and beat the heck out of her. One of the greatest upset victory's of out times.

Seth Meyers Opens 2018 Golden Globes

ChaosEngine says...

The electoral college is part of the problem certainly, but even that could be done better. Even the way Maine and Nebraska do it would be a vast improvement.

I don't believe it's "rigged", it's just a bad voting system, and it suffers from all the problems with FPP voting systems in addition to its unique crapulence.

*related=https://videosift.com/video/The-Problems-with-First-Past-the-Post-Voting-Explained

newtboy said:

I don't know what you mean if you're talking about the electoral college. I agree, it's outdated and it's time to toss or rewrite it, but I don't think it's so rigged that he couldn't win.

Seth Meyers Opens 2018 Golden Globes

newtboy says...

I agree, Time has been clear that it's about amount of impact, not who made the biggest positive impact.

I could certainly be wrong, it happened that one time before, but I think you underestimate how disillusioned Americans are with both parties and how ready we are to abandon them both. I really hope I'm not wrong about that.

Remember, Sanders was holding his own in funding without any corporate donors....astonishingly. No other candidate has had that kind of finance reform credentials that I recall, certainly not recently, and imo, that's step one for any reforms there.

I don't know what you mean if you're talking about the electoral college. I agree, it's outdated and it's time to toss or rewrite it, but I don't think it's so rigged that he couldn't win.

ChaosEngine said:

Say what you want about Trump, and fuck knows I despise the illiterate, racist, sexist, homophobic, moron... but he totally deserved person of the year. The exact same way Hitler did.

And there's no way in hell Sanders would win as an independent, at least, not until you fix your thoroughly broken electoral system.

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Bill Maher - Penn Jillette on Libertarianism

MilkmanDan says...

Interesting that Maher thanked / congratulated Jillette for voting for Hillary, but didn't note that he outspokenly did so as a "vote swap" thing where he (in an "important state" re Electoral College) voted for Hillary in return for a friend (in a meaningless / foregone conclusion state) voting for Gary Johnson.

I think that is a fine way to mildly game the system, which is more than mildly broken with the idiotic Electoral College. On the other hand, I think it is fine (honorable even?) to vote your conscious and vote for a third party candidate that has no actual chance of winning, even if you're in a tightly contested swing state.

But my favorite bit is Jillette talking about potential benefits of the Trump presidency. "Trump as a cautionary tale" is actually a very real thing, that will actually have long-term benefits. Whether or not those long-term benefits outweigh the short-term disaster definitely remains to be seen.

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bobknight33 says...

At the end of the day 3 million don't mean jack.. Get over it, Hillary lost. All that matter is Electoral College. 304 to 232 Hillary got her ass whopped. Historic land slide

Trump is not the best candidate but still better than Hillary.

Quit being a crybaby snowflake and move on.

newtboy said:

Beat them by negative 3 million votes.

Shit down? Ummm.......

BTW, you might read my other post again, I specifically wrote that I was not accusing you of such blatant racism, you seem to have misunderstood again in your zeal to argue.

Stephen Fry Explains Why Some Believe Everything Trump Says

newtboy says...

Nope. In America, as you've mentioned before, (for presidents only) it's not the election, but the electoral college that counts. He lost the election, he won the college.

There is tons of evidence that most of his campaign worked with them. Are you saying he's so clueless he couldn't see it, even though it was 100% on his behalf?

"Proof" is a silly word in this context. I have a mountain of evidence of reported contacts by his team that they continue to hide and deny, numerous investigations being interfered with, known foreign agents being given the highest security clearance, and the president just whining "I didn't do it" like a 3 year old covered in ice cream claiming it wasn't them that ate it, while doing everything possible to stop the investigation rather than act like an innocent person and welcome it.

And now we have him inviting Russia into the oval office to plant bugs and celebrate Comey's firing by sharing top level secrets given by Israel with them, Israel's enemy. If there wasn't collusion before, that certainly covers it handily.

bobknight33 said:

Uh yea he DID win the Election He is in the White house

There is Zero connection that he is working with Russians... Pure BS..

What proof do you have? Actual Trump connection ????

Stephen Fry Explains Why Some Believe Everything Trump Says

bobknight33 says...

Newt
The electoral college. is all that mattes.

Trump Won- Hillary LOST -get over it.
Trump is RICH - get over it.

Russia connection-- don't think there is anything to find.. just Lying Elitist Media FAKE NEWS . But time will tell.

newtboy said:

He doesn't own most of the properties that bear his name, in case you're confused. In fact, there's no evidence that he owns any of them since he won't release any financial information.
I'll admit, he was great at selling his name as a brand, but today his name is Mud. Watch how many skyscrapers or clubs he puts his name on after he's out of office.

That's not what Republican senators are saying, many have started using the "I" word in public.
BTW....Hillary DID win the election, but lost the electoral college...something you seem to have forgotten because you believe Trump when he says he won by the biggest margin ever and there were 3 million fraudulent votes, all for Clinton (even though the only one actually found voted twice for Trump) and you never even check to see if it's true. (It's not)

At least we finally have an investigation of Russian involvement (and any cover-up of it) where Trump can't fire or blackmail the lead investigator. Time will tell what he finds.



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