the problems of understanding arise when people give their power over to the powerful.they acquiesce to the very powers seeking to disempower them.
so we get things like "free speech zones" which are far away from the very thing being protested and most certainly no where near any business or government functions.

This is a government of the people, by the people and for the people. Meaning, that government gets its power from the people. Further, this power comes down from the Most High God:

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness

Has the government strayed far from the intentions of the founders? The answer is a resounding yes. It is most certainly becoming a police state. This is the broader trend in the world, that will eventually coalesce into a totalitarian one world government.

this is not a lib/repub issue but an american issue.for decades the government has slowly chipped away at our civil liberties and given more power to itself.this is what governments do,this is what ANY powerful institution does=keep itself relevant and IN power and the ONLY thing power fears is?
the people.
again,not my opinion but historically accurate.

I agree that our government is corrupt and acts contrary to our interests. However, I am not an anarchist. If a government is infringing upon our inherent rights or direct commands given to us by God, then yes I think we have the right under God to disobey them. Protesting rich people doesn't appear to fall under that category.

this is about challenging authority.
you say that when a policemen gives a "lawful" order to disperse that should be the end of it.
i say:i question your "lawful order" as it hinders my right to assemble and give my government a redress of my grievances.

No, I say that if you receive an order from authority you can expect to be forced into compliance if you disobey that authority. My comment is about the way this incident was portrayed, as if the protesters were just arbitrarily sprayed without any warning.

As far as the occupy movement offering a redress of grievances, I hardly see how a bunch of marxists, and socialists waving communists flags, defecating in the streets, and shooting up in their tents addresses any relevant issue this country is facing. It started out with a point, and was quickly taken over by hippies, anarchists, and every other far left wingnut with a pet cause and a bucket for handouts.

Comparing this sad menagerie to the civil rights movement? Come on..

because "the people" are not multinational corporations with deep pockets who can influence legislators by way of lobbyists.we cant purchase the kind of time that a corporation can to make our case to a senator or congressmen.we cannot influence public opinion by way of tv commercials or entire networks.
but we CAN sit and stop traffic,or slow the flow of business and THAT is when they take notice.
and the response is always the same:
ignore.
and if that doesnt work?
ridicule.
if that fails?
co-opt in any way possible (see:tea party)
cant co-opt?
oppress,bully and intimidate by authoritarian means.
(guess which stage we are in now?)
and if that fails?
success.

This is just a shadow of what is to come. The future rule of the antichrist is going to make Nazi Germany look like candyland.



>> ^enoch:

the only way and i mean the ONLY way a peacef.
(guess which stage we are in now?)
and if that fails?
success.

>> ^quantumushroom:

OWS is, for all intents and purposes, a mishmash of left-wingers running the gamut from left-center to communist/anarchist. Their ignorance is expected but also redundant, as it's the same "message" the libmedia expounds day and night: 'capitalism evil, bigger government good' with the added bonus of pooping on cop cars.
It was government that caused this mess. Greed is counterbalanced by risk and the fear of loss. When government steps in and removes the risk (with OUR MONEY) then certain people are free to be greedy and careless. In this case "certain people" was everyone.
If you'll scroll to the bottom of this page there's a nice (partial) list of culprits.


as an ex-lawyer, i feel comfortable saying that the law is largely bought and sold.

and no market is "free" when it is so manipulated by the rich.

In that protester's defense, that was an awesome cop car...

FOR HIM TO POOP ON!

>> ^quantumushroom:

OWS is, for all intents and purposes, a mishmash of left-wingers running the gamut from left-center to communist/anarchist. Their ignorance is expected but also redundant, as it's the same "message" the libmedia expounds day and night: 'capitalism evil, bigger government good' with the added bonus of pooping on cop cars.
It was government that caused this mess. Greed is counterbalanced by risk and the fear of loss. When government steps in and removes the risk (with OUR MONEY) then certain people are free to be greedy and careless. In this case "certain people" was everyone.
If you'll scroll to the bottom of this page there's a nice (partial) list of culprits.

>> ^quantumushroom:

OWS is, for all intents and purposes, a mishmash of left-wingers running the gamut from left-center to communist/anarchist. Their ignorance is expected but also redundant, as it's the same "message" the libmedia expounds day and night: 'capitalism evil, bigger government good' with the added bonus of pooping on cop cars.
It was government that caused this mess. Greed is counterbalanced by risk and the fear of loss. When government steps in and removes the risk (with OUR MONEY) then certain people are free to be greedy and careless. In this case "certain people" was everyone.
If you'll scroll to the bottom of this page there's a nice (partial) list of culprits.


the government was the cause of this...

by eliminating departments and oversight of corporations/financial institutions,

by eliminating regulations/laws which tied the hands of these same entities from committing the attrocious blunders motivated only by greed that have happened... like commercial banks being involved in investment banking, and wall street creating derivative markets which they themselves police

by attacking people's right to organize, collective bargain, and work with employers to create equal opportunity, reward, and incentive to succeed and innovate... so that 1 person can't be insanely rewarded by running companies into the ground, hurting their employees, the community, and the financial security of MILLIONS

all that risk you talk about being removed... was because they got rid of oversight and regulation

its a myth that government is incapable of being fiscally responsible at the same level or better than private corporations... take the "representatives" who set the budget and throw the money around to their lobbied interests and corporate friends... but look at the actual institutions and departments... these have not only the mandate to be fiscally responsible (fall within budgets, etc) that private interests do... they have the added oversight of people subjecting their cause to scrutiny... private causes are to advance profit, no matter the route

these institutions protect people from interests who aren't responsible to employees, to the communities they reside in, to the country they pay taxes to (or find loopholes to not pay taxes to)

free markets is a lie and a scam, because supply/demand/innovation mean nothing when you are competing with entities that can literally buy the game board out from under you... money is power, and if you have none, you have no power...

that's what government is there for... to give people the power
smaller government is a big business lie meant to distract you from who is really hurting you... the corporations and your bought and sold representatives

OWS is, for all intents and purposes, a mishmash of left-wingers running the gamut from left-center to communist/anarchist. Their ignorance is expected but also redundant, as it's the same "message" the libmedia expounds day and night: 'capitalism evil, bigger government good' with the added bonus of pooping on cop cars.

It was government that caused this mess. Greed is counterbalanced by risk and the fear of loss. When government steps in and removes the risk (with OUR MONEY) then certain people are free to be greedy and careless. In this case "certain people" was everyone.

If you'll scroll to the bottom of this page there's a nice (partial) list of culprits.

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I hope your house burns down and you'd too dumb to call the socialist fire department for help.

>> ^quantumushroom:

Who says these stinking marxist vermin don't have jobs, they're ALL doing a fine job of discrediting their "movement".

Speaking of movements...

Bonus: creating sympathy for token FOX liberal Geraldo

Who says these stinking marxist vermin don't have jobs, they're ALL doing a fine job of discrediting their "movement".


Speaking of movements...


Bonus: creating sympathy for token FOX liberal Geraldo

No love from CNN for the #OWS folk for pooping on a NYC police car??

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2046586/Occupy-Wall-Street-Shocking-photos-protester-defecating-POLICE-CAR.html

How about the #OWS mob trying to storm the Smithsonian Air & Space Museum?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wc9OSFLnyUI&feature=share

>> ^chilaxe:

"I'm not saying you're a racist; I'm saying you're LIKE a racist."
It's generally felt that when we communicate a message, the message is more important than the wording, even if we claim to have "merely pointed out similarities." That's the standard Jon Stewart and the Sift community hold Fox News to when they try that defense.
>> ^Boise_Lib:
>> ^marinara:
using the v word, vermin does not cross a line.
what if people are literally living inside walls, and defecating in food sources?
If QM is using hate speech (which is banned) THEN PROVE IT.
comparing QM to Hitler doesn't mean shit.

I didn't accuse qm of either hate speech or racism. I just pointed out some similarity.



Fox News...Not Racist but #1 with Racists!

"I'm not saying you're a racist; I'm saying you're LIKE a racist."

It's generally felt that when we communicate a message, the message is more important than the wording, even if we claim to have "merely pointed out similarities." That's the standard Jon Stewart and the Sift community hold Fox News to when they try that defense.
>> ^Boise_Lib:

>> ^marinara:
using the v word, vermin does not cross a line.
what if people are literally living inside walls, and defecating in food sources?
If QM is using hate speech (which is banned) THEN PROVE IT.
comparing QM to Hitler doesn't mean shit.

I didn't accuse qm of either hate speech or racism. I just pointed out some similarity.

>> ^marinara:

using the v word, vermin does not cross a line.
what if people are literally living inside walls, and defecating in food sources?
If QM is using hate speech (which is banned) THEN PROVE IT.
comparing QM to Hitler doesn't mean shit.


I didn't accuse qm of either hate speech or racism. I just pointed out some similarity.

using the v word, vermin does not cross a line.

what if people are literally living inside walls, and defecating in food sources?

If QM is using hate speech (which is banned) THEN PROVE IT.
comparing QM to Hitler doesn't mean shit.

Taxation Defecation is theft, Statist idiots.

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