>> ^dag:

The strategy of legislating the vagaries of human behaviour in minute detail is dumb, and yes bad for democracy and liberty. If people are causing a disturbance- stick with disturbing the peace.


You know, I was almost convinced by the arguments about non-public places and how the right to dance is like the right to artistically defecate in public.

Then Dag reminded me of the law against disturbing the peace.

Now, I'm not a lawyer so I don't know exactly how it currently works, but let me explain how I think it should work. If a "Peace Officer" is making his rounds through a public place, and somebody is making a spectacle and obviously harassing others in the area, then that person should be warned and potentially arrested. This would include the extreme examples of defecating in public and indecent exposure, and more moderate and disputable examples like dancing at a memorial. Those people would then be tried before a jury of peers, who would make the judgement call. Was the disturbance large enough to warrant being arrested in order to stop it? If so, then the person would be found guilty. And if the police had arrested people for silently swaying in a rhythmic manner, then perhaps the jury could find them innocent, which might leave the police open to a counter-suit. That way the police would also have to make a judgement call instead of following some absurd zero tolerance policy.

So there you have it. I don't think those laws should try to enforce a "tranquil atmosphere for solemn reflection", I think that juries should decide what is acceptable behavior under a given circumstance.

In this system, there would still be penalties for breaking the bounds of common decency, but also some wiggle room for common sense to survive.

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Semantics has absolutely nothing to do with it. How could you even get that from what I wrote? I'm talking about laws and ordinances that cover a thousand silly things, trying to strap down all of the vagaries of human behavior. >> ^longde:

So you agree with the spirit of the law, just not the semantics?>> ^dag:
Yes frivolous, like this:
-- no eating peanut butter sandwiches at national monuments (to prevent peanut butter sandwich sit-ins)
-- All hats worn at national monuments must must be less than 12" higher than the crown of the head. (to prevent big hat protests)
The strategy of legislating the vagaries of human behaviour in minute detail is dumb, and yes bad for democracy and liberty. If people are causing a disturbance- stick with disturbing the peace.
>> ^smooman:
>> ^dag:
A greater reluctance of the state to pass frivolous laws the restrict the liberty of the people. That's all.
i just really really really wanna know in what ways is the law frivolous to you?
whats frivolous to me is the insistence that we be able to dance where ever the fuck we want. If you just have to dance to express yourself, thats cool, and im down with that, you can do that on the steps, then come inside, check out the memorial. but the rest of us that rather like our quiet reflections done without some jackass doin a jig.
btw, i have this unique way of expressing myself through defecation, so next week im getting a flash mob together to go to the memorial to leave piling steamers to stick it to the man for telling me where i can and cant expressionistically shit. We'll even clean up afterward so there's no mess. we're not hurting anyone

So you agree with the spirit of the law, just not the semantics?>> ^dag:
Yes frivolous, like this:
-- no eating peanut butter sandwiches at national monuments (to prevent peanut butter sandwich sit-ins)
-- All hats worn at national monuments must must be less than 12" higher than the crown of the head. (to prevent big hat protests)
The strategy of legislating the vagaries of human behaviour in minute detail is dumb, and yes bad for democracy and liberty. If people are causing a disturbance- stick with disturbing the peace.
>> ^smooman:
>> ^dag:
A greater reluctance of the state to pass frivolous laws the restrict the liberty of the people. That's all.
i just really really really wanna know in what ways is the law frivolous to you?
whats frivolous to me is the insistence that we be able to dance where ever the fuck we want. If you just have to dance to express yourself, thats cool, and im down with that, you can do that on the steps, then come inside, check out the memorial. but the rest of us that rather like our quiet reflections done without some jackass doin a jig.
btw, i have this unique way of expressing myself through defecation, so next week im getting a flash mob together to go to the memorial to leave piling steamers to stick it to the man for telling me where i can and cant expressionistically shit. We'll even clean up afterward so there's no mess. we're not hurting anyone

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Yes frivolous, like this:

-- no eating peanut butter sandwiches at national monuments (to prevent peanut butter sandwich sit-ins)
-- All hats worn at national monuments must must be less than 12" higher than the crown of the head. (to prevent big hat protests)

The strategy of legislating the vagaries of human behaviour in minute detail is dumb, and yes bad for democracy and liberty. If people are causing a disturbance- stick with disturbing the peace.
>> ^smooman:

>> ^dag:
A greater reluctance of the state to pass frivolous laws the restrict the liberty of the people. That's all.
i just really really really wanna know in what ways is the law frivolous to you?
whats frivolous to me is the insistence that we be able to dance where ever the fuck we want. If you just have to dance to express yourself, thats cool, and im down with that, you can do that on the steps, then come inside, check out the memorial. but the rest of us that rather like our quiet reflections done without some jackass doin a jig.
btw, i have this unique way of expressing myself through defecation, so next week im getting a flash mob together to go to the memorial to leave piling steamers to stick it to the man for telling me where i can and cant expressionistically shit. We'll even clean up afterward so there's no mess. we're not hurting anyone

>> ^dag:

A greater reluctance of the state to pass frivolous laws the restrict the liberty of the people. That's all.

i just really really really wanna know in what ways is the law frivolous to you?

whats frivolous to me is the insistence that we be able to dance where ever the fuck we want. If you just have to dance to express yourself, thats cool, and im down with that, you can do that on the steps, then come inside, check out the memorial. but the rest of us that rather like our quiet reflections done without some jackass doin a jig.

btw, i have this unique way of expressing myself through defecation, so next week im getting a flash mob together to go to the memorial to leave piling steamers to stick it to the man for telling me where i can and cant expressionistically shit. We'll even clean up afterward so there's no mess. we're not hurting anyone

All men know that women don't pass wind ,defecate or urinate.

Might as well throw my hat in the ring. First video was nuts. A few people doing nothing more harmful than moving in a slightly different way, not even technically dancing. Might as well arrest someone for fake limping through, skipping, or w/e. Then this thing, showing a group of people perhaps not being as brave as middle east protesters, but still doing something. This might not be big picture important, but as said before if you don't protest the small stuff, you won't be able to protest the big stuff. Not that we don't already have "big stuff" (patriot act *cough*). I wouldn't call these people brave earth shakers, they aren't hero's. Just regular people doing something small to protest an injustice. Just because people don't die over it or dedicate vast sums of time or money to it doesn't mean it's not important in some way.

All this aside, the venom being tossed around here on both sides is insane. It's a simple dance protest people. You agree with it or you don't, it doesn't make the other side a mentally deficient asshole of gigantic proportions. Chill. Out.

edit: Suppose I should add that there is a huge difference between a law that prevents you from disturbing the peace and defecating in public, to something that would prevent you from peacefully dancing in a public memorial. If those cops had wanted to make the same case against the people in this video who were making all this noise, it might have had a slightly better footing. Not that I would have agreed to that footing, but this at least could be called a disturbance. As opposed to some quiet dancing.

I am amazed that anyone can view this nonsense as a beacon of light for freedom

and @MaxWilder since you've brought up something I've said in a separate thread despite my not having said anything in this one (and quite angrily for some reason), while law doesn't specifically say anything about not being hassled, in does work that way in some respects. For example, there are laws that prevent me from standing in front of your house blowing an airhorn all night. There are laws preventing me from defecating in the middle of the floor in the library, then disposing of it. neither of these things hurt anybody or their property, they just bother them. If you think people don't have the right to not be bothered, you should take a stance against noise ordinances and public defecation. Join me next thursday where I take a stance and attach a trumpet to my asshole and parade through the tomb of the fallen soldier shitting through my trumpet for freedom

aka crying because someone told me I was bothering people and making a big egotistical scene disguised as political activism

Good morning, The Worm, Your Honour,
The Crown will plainly show,
The prisoner who now stands before you,
Was caught red-handed showing feelings.
Showing feelings of an almost human nature.
This will not do.
Call the schoolmaster!
I always said he'd come to no good,
In the end, Your Honour.
If they'd let me have my way,
I could have flayed him into shape.
But my hands were tied.The bleeding hearts and artists,
Let him get away with murder.
Let me hammer him today.
Crazy.
Toys in the attic, I am crazy.
Truly gone fishing.
They must have taken my marbles away.
Crazy.Toys in the attic, he is crazy.
You little shit, you're in it now.
I hope they throw away the key.
You should've talked to me more often than you did.
But no! You had to go your own way.
Have you broken any homes up lately?
Just five minutes, Worm, Your Honour,
Him and me alone.Baaaaaabe!
Come to Mother, baby.
Let me hold you in my arms.
M'Lord, I never meant for him to get in any trouble.
Why'd he ever have to leave me?
Worm, Your Honour, let me take him home.
Crazy.
Over the rainbow, I am crazy.
Bars in the window.
There must have been a door there in the wall.
For when I came in.
Crazy.
Over the rainbow, he is crazy.
The evidence before the court is incontrovertible.
There's no need for the jury to retire.
In all my years of judging I have never heard before,
Of someone more deserving of the full penalty of the law.
The way you made them suffer,
Your exquisite wife and mother,
Fills me with the urge to defecate!
No, Judge, the jury!
Since, my friend, you have revealed your deepest fear,
I sentence you to be exposed before your peers.
Tear down the wall!

This is something you defecate into, a hole in the ground is good enough for me. What the hell? you can be sure anyone that buys one of these sure does not clean it themselves.

Follow the radioactive cloud via the System for Prediction of Environmental Emergency Dose Information (SPEEDI): link (high load)

Take a look at screencaps made over the last couple of hours, Ibaraki prefecture, south of Fukushima: 1:00, 1:20, 4:30, 4:40, 4:50. The wind turns and Ibaraki prefecture goes from ~40 nGy/h up to 5000 nGy/h -- and that's ~160km from Fukushima I NPP, so it's most likely the cloud passing by.

If you convert it 1:1 into nSv/h just to get a rough picture, it's 5 μSv/h. Average annual dose over here is 2 mSv. That's 400 hours at 5 μSv/h for your annual dose, a little less than 17 days.

Now, it only peaked around 5000 nGy/h and dropped again after the cloud moved on, so it's basically negligable in the short term. But that's 160km from the most likely source of the radiation. Some readings from up close would be interesting. They ought to be considerably higher, don't they?

Unfortunatly, all the entries for Fukushima are marked as "under servey" (sic). Last I heard was about 680 μSv/h recorded at some monitoring posts northwest of the power station: annual dose in three hours, how wonderful for the poor sobs trying to prevent the defecation from hitting the oscillation.

"Containment" is somewhat misleading as the layer most commonly referred to as "containment" in the news is the third layer, which is still standing, supposedly even undamaged. First layer is the zircaloy casing around the pellets, second layer is the pressure vessel, a sturdy pot of steel, and third layer is a massive bubble of reinforced concrete, hermetically sealing the pressure vessels and all the piping inside. What blew away was "only" the surrounding building.

Not that this isn't bad enough already, but if the actual containment aka third layer blows up, then the defecation really hits the oscillation.

Then again, listening to three commentators on the news, you'll get four different opinions. The BBC even showed a schematic containing a core-catcher to illustrate the current events, even though that bloody thing hadn't even been invented when these NPPs were build. Flow of information is a mess.

>> ^Trancecoach:

For anyone who's interested, the mental disorder that he's exhibiting is part of a subsection of paraphilias called frotteurism.


The healthiest thing this man can do is use Sublimation and become a part of some sort of sex show. Until then he's going to keep running into problems with the law.

Some other Paraphilias:
Pedophilia - sexual urges towards children
Exhibitionism - recurrent desire to expose genitals to a stranger
Voyeurism - sexual pleasure from watching other who are naked, grooming, or having sex.
Sadism - sexual pleasure derived from others' pain
Masochism - sexual pleasure derived from being abused or dominated
Fetishism - sexual focus on objects (transvestite falls in here)
Frotteurism - male rubbing of genitals against fully clothed woman to achieve orgasm, subways/buses (what is apparent in this video)
Zoophilia - animals preferred in sexual fantasies or practices
Coprophilia - combining sex and defecation
Urophilia - combining sex and urination
Necrophilia - preferred sex with cadavers
Hypoxyphilia - altered state of consciousness secondary to hypoxia while experiencing orgasm. (Autoerotic asphyxiation, etc.)

Well, all the gross stuff is uninteresting to me, but it's not in this video. I have been to plenty of strip clubs and they tend to all do the same thing, so that gets boring. Most of the strippers (not all, but most) are also completely untalented and rely solely on being naked for entertainment. At least in this video there was an effort to do something different. I have seen some burlesque revival stuff that is pretty interesting and artistic. Also, a lot of the fire performance crowd integrate some eroticism in to their acts and i find those very interesting. My up-vote is for this video, not for the artist as a whole (i don't really know much about her).

>> ^Shepppard:

>> ^daxgaz:
i find most art and stage shows incredibly dull. this was not. Call me perv if you like, but the nude female form is beautiful to watch. They had some interesting dance stuff going on and interesting concepts.

I won't call you a perv, but I will point out that there used to be these things called strip clubs. Where you'd go, and watch all the naked dancing female forms you'd like, without the defecation, drinking of urine, and hissy-fits on stage, and has the basic premise of what you just watched.

>> ^daxgaz:

i find most art and stage shows incredibly dull. this was not. Call me perv if you like, but the nude female form is beautiful to watch. They had some interesting dance stuff going on and interesting concepts.


I won't call you a perv, but I will point out that there used to be these things called strip clubs. Where you'd go, and watch all the naked dancing female forms you'd like, without the defecation, drinking of urine, and hissy-fits on stage, and has the basic premise of what you just watched.