How do roundabouts work in places with lots of pedestrians crossing the street? Do you just keep driving around until the crosswalk is clear?

Tags for this video have been changed from 'bike, messenger, courrier, business man, suit, crash, wrong way, crosswalk' to 'bike, messenger, courrier, business man, suit, crash, crosswalk, cyclist, jaywalking' - edited by Seric

The man wasn't using a crosswalk, but he probably figured he was safe in not doing so because of the predictable flow of traffic. I place full blame on the biker.

I like how he loudly states:

"he wasn't using a crosswalk, it cancels out. it's okay."

..as if everyone remembers that clause from their driver's ed manual. =]

If there's a crosswalk, you have every right of passage. And I walk in front of cars in those places with a clean conscience (making sure that they've seen me first though, I'm not an idiot). I will gladly kick a car that tries to run the crosswalk while I'm on it.

If there's no such thing, you wait by the side of the road until the cars have passed.

This guy got what he deserved. Lucky for him, he's not dead.

>> ^residue:

What if I have diarrhea real bad and I'm struggling to get across the road to the bathroom emporium and I'm moving kind of slow. Here comes ole ForgedReality in his Mazda Miata on an ego trip thinking everyone is out to get him so you clip me with a mirror. How's that responsible? If you're driving a car, you have a personal responsibiliy to not hit people with it regardless of what you THINK their intentions are.
And for the record, I've been clipped twice by a mirror while walking on the side of the road and hit with a bumper since I was apparently crossing too slow for some retard who thinks his car is a toy


haha.. Mazda Miata. I drive a sport pickup.

But if you've been hit that many times, it tells me that maybe you shouldn't be playing in traffic, pretending you're a vroom-vroom-car. I'm considerate of drivers when I'm walking. I get the fuck out of their way as quickly as I can, say if I'm walking by a shopping center driveway, or thru a parking lot, or even a crosswalk or something.

I know how annoying it is to have some thug wigger gangster punk bitch taking his sweet time because he thinks he's "all that," and doesn't take other people into consideration. It's the same kind of person who doesn't wave to the person who politely let them merge in a line of traffic, or the guy who doesn't even make a "thank you" gesture when someone stops to let you walk by.

It's all about a general deficit of respect that stupid people have grown up with the last couple generations. Everybody's out for themselves, and it's just "me, me, me" as if nobody else even matters.

So yes, if someone hits you with their car, they're either homicidal, mentally disturbed, or, much more likely, you're just a prick.

-edit-
Also, I guess to more directly answer your question: If it appears you're struggling to cross the road, limping and grasping at your buttcheeks, yeah, I'll be like, "damn that motherfucker really has to take a shit!" I might even stop to help you across, so long as you promise not to spray rectal treasure all over me in the process.

I'm talking about the pieces of shit (usually black, for some reason) that walk DOWN the street, IN THE MIDDLE OF THE ROAD, not even really making an effort to get to one side or the other. They look back at you, like, "wutchoo gon' do, honkey?" and keep slowly walking down the street, like they aren't gunna move for you, so you better go AROUND them. Okay, so now you're forcing me into the oncoming lane because you're a dick? Fuck you. You're not endangering MY safety; you're risking me blowing a fuse and endangering YOURS.

...then again, I'm sure some fool would go out onto the crosswalk and play Dance Dance Revolution and get hit by an ice cream truck.

Wow, this thread has sure brought out the crazy in a lot of people. Some of whom I thought were rational previously.

First of all, WTF is wrong with you "verbal warning" idiots!!! Jaywalking is a crime. It is a crime because when too many people don't follow the rules of traffic, PEOPLE DIE. Verbal warnings are for people who don't realize they're breaking the law. As has been stated repeatedly in this thread, the area where the video was shot has a problem with frequent violations. So really, stuff your "verbal warnings".

But it's too late now. Too many "verbal warnings" were given, and when a police officer finally starts to really enforce the law FOR THE SAFETY OF THE PUBLIC, the stupid kids are expecting to get away with it again. What happens when you break that expectation? Physical confrontation! Congratulations, "verbal warners", you've just created an unsafe situation for anybody to try to enforce the law.

So these kids freak out and disobey an officer who is trying to do the right thing by giving them a citation (which might *gasp* encourage others to use the fucking crosswalk). One of the lawbreakers brazenly tries to walk away from the officer who has instructed her to wait for a citation. What should he do now, "verbal warners"? Let her walk away? Is THAT THE MESSAGE YOU WANT TO SEND?

I am seriously dumbfounded at the stupid responses in this thread. And I shouldn't be letting it make me upset, but it is that kind of retarded viewpoint that makes it harder for cops to do their jobs, which makes the good cops quit their jobs and makes intelligent and honorable people less likely to become cops, which creates more bad cops who abuse their authority.

WRITING A CITATION IS NOT AN ABUSE OF AUTHORITY! IT IS THEIR JOB!

Dammit, I hate writing in caps, but you morons need to pull your heads out of your asses.

PS. If you get between an officer and a person he is trying to detain, you get the smackdown. Fuck all y'all who say different. Of course this situation could have been handled better if this guy had better training, but if it wasn't for the atmosphere of disrespect toward officers that some in this thread are exacerbating, this situation would not have ever happened.

Browsing through the records....

Angel Rosenthal has Theft and Robbery charges.
Marilyn Levias has Assault charges.

Anyway, jaywalking is a really bad problem at one intersection I have to go through all the time since it's near work. So, I'd like to see cops bust people more for it personally. It causes major traffic problems and has led to accidents due to vehicles trying to avoid running over the jaywalkers as they dart into traffic at random locations and cross when the crosswalk tells them not to. It's especially bad on the green arrow turn lanes, they constantly cross at that point and you got cars in the intersection held up because people are crossing. I know one guy got mowed down in the middle of winter for being out in the street in the dark with dark clothes on, it wasn't the first guy to jaywalk in the pitch black and won't be the last. Bus jaywalking is the worst of them all, they get off the public transport bus and run across 4 lanes of traffic where at least one direction can't see them at all until they've already entered traffic and it tends to be 5+ people..

It's dangerous as hell for everyone on or next to the road, and that's why there are laws preventing it. I could see warning people if they do it in light traffic, but if it's a heavy traffic area I think it warrants a ticketing and perhaps so did the police officer.


>> ^volumptuous:

http://www.kxl.com/pages/7471948.php
"Police said Monday's incident began about 3:10 p.m. when the officer was driving north along Martin Luther King Jr. Way. The officer saw an 18-year-old man jaywalk across the busy street about 15 feet from a pedestrian overpass. After the officer stopped the man, he saw four women jaywalk at the same location and ordered them to come over to his patrol car, police reports say. At that point, the women became verbally antagonistic, and one turned and began walking away, police said.
When the officer approached her and began escorting her back to his car, the report says, she tensed and pulled away, ignoring his order to put her hands on the patrol car. By then, a crowd had gathered. Police said the officer then began trying to handcuff her."

Apparently breaking a law, then refusing police orders, and then pushing a police officer is somehow OK and according to Nordlich, the officer should've been beaten to shit by an angry mob.
Just, wow.

edit/update: Both of these "poor girls", Angel L. Rosenthal, and her friend, Marilyn Ellen Levias, have criminal records. Angel's is pretty hefty.
http://dw.courts.wa.gov

>> ^NordlichReiter:

I was hoping the citizenry would jump in and beat the living shit out of that cop.
People thought he was in the wrong, so the situation was going to get much more dangerous. My question is why the hell would you have to lay hands down on a J-Walking citation. Those J-Walkers must have been dancing in the middle of the street. Small potatoes man.
http://www.komonews.com/news/local/96413004.html


Jesus Christ dude. So, should Seattle cops just not ticket or arrest anyone anymore? Like it or not, j-walking is a crime, mostly because people shouldn't be mowed down in the streets. It's this whole traffic/lights/crosswalk system we've developed, you may have seen it on some intersections near your area.

I watched a friend get ticketed for j-walking in downtown LA, and while it sucked, I totally didn't feel the need to start a fight with the cops.

Crossing a street 15 feet from the crosswalk == FUCK IT, IT'S ON

>> ^NetRunner:
>> ^GeeSussFreeK:
>> ^NetRunner:
>> ^Psychologic:
^ And I suppose you also want me to stop removing the bolts from the steering wheel when I park my car? You're no fun. =P

If you're seeking out a parking spots in high crime areas, leaving the keys in the ignition, the doors unlocked (and possibly ajar), and then hiding nearby with a video camera and giggling, YES!

America, we take our right to our lives for granted so much that we punish people for doing what they want to their property to protect those that lie cheat and steal.

Actually, it's more like "In America, we take our rights for granted so much that we think that people who commit crimes don't have any."
Read my qualifications again, and think about why there's a big difference between that and "doing what they want to protect their property."
Incidentally, do you think it's okay to put landmines in your backyard because you don't like the neighbor's kids taking shortcuts across your lawn (i.e. trespassing)?


About the landmines, people do that in New Mexico and people, as a consequence, don't trespass. You don't have the right not to be maimed when taking something that isn't yours. That right results in the crazy ass law suits of people stealing your stuff and suing you for hurting themselves. Where as I wouldn't put mines in my backyard to keep people off, people shoot trespassers in my state and are protected by law to do so.

This isn't even a case of people protecting their property however. None of these measures were being used in a way to prevent the bike from being stolen. They were done to get some luls off of anyone who rode the bike. Being that the bike wasn't theirs, they took the risk riding it, and as such inherit all the culpability of that action. It is different than, say, throwing a bunch of marbles at a crosswalk and watching people fall over. When he took the bike, he inherited the risk of not knowing any of the ways in which that bike worked, or in this case, was deficient. The fact that it was purposefully made defective is moot.

This doesn't carry over to other situations because other situations require an initial point of contract. Like if you buy a car, turns out to be a lemon you can sometimes sue because of the initial point of contact where you were buying "A" and got "B" instead. This person is taking "B" assuming it is "A" and getting pie in his face as a result. There was no fraud as there was no initial point of contract. The thief could of easily of just walked the bike away instead of riding it if he knew this bike wasn't for riding.

This is where traffic trolling comes in. Walk super slowly in front of her car, if you have time slip down your pants and leave a nice big steamer on the hood of the car.
>> ^blankfist:
Chivalry is theater. I do it because that's how I was brought up, and it's hard to unlearn what is taught, prayed and spanked into us at such a young age. Acceptance of people as your equal is genuine.
I would've stepped into the grass and let the women have the entire sidewalk, but like I said I stepped in dog shit once so I refuse to do it again. I made myself as horizontally thin as humanly possibly and moved as far to the edge of the sidewalk as I could, but that wasn't enough for these Los Angeles princesses. No they wanted the entire width of the sidewalk to themselves.
There was certainly a sense of entitlement playing out here. It's also a very common occurrence in my neighborhood. I live in a city of self-important people. Once I was crossing at a crosswalk in my residential neighborhood and some lady in a Mercedes had to wait for me to cross, which she wasn't happy about, so she almost drove up on the curb to get around me and then she made a comment at me. I can't remember what she said exactly but it was something to the effect of 'don't you look', which I remember making no sense at all because a) I had the right of way and b) I did look before crossing, but she had a stop sign.

Chivalry is theater. I do it because that's how I was brought up, and it's hard to unlearn what is taught, prayed and spanked into us at such a young age. Acceptance of people as your equal is genuine.

I would've stepped into the grass and let the women have the entire sidewalk, but like I said I stepped in dog shit once so I refuse to do it again. I made myself as horizontally thin as humanly possibly and moved as far to the edge of the sidewalk as I could, but that wasn't enough for these Los Angeles princesses. No they wanted the entire width of the sidewalk to themselves.

There was certainly a sense of entitlement playing out here. It's also a very common occurrence in my neighborhood. I live in a city of self-important people. Once I was crossing at a crosswalk in my residential neighborhood and some lady in a Mercedes had to wait for me to cross, which she wasn't happy about, so she almost drove up on the curb to get around me and then she made a comment at me. I can't remember what she said exactly but it was something to the effect of 'don't you look', which I remember making no sense at all because a) I had the right of way and b) I did look before crossing, but she had a stop sign.

>> ^KnivesOut:
>> ^blankfist:
>> ^KnivesOut:

The irony will be when he gets creamed by a school-for-the-blind bus at a cross-walk.

Crosswalk isn't hyphenated.

Ewwwww, you're going to burn!


My hyphen was popped at an early age. Damn fence post.