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Vegan Diet or Mediterranean Diet: Which Is Healthier?

transmorpher says...

He did mention fish/white meat, however he was making the point that meats aren't what is making them healthy - the Mediterraneans are healthy despite these animal foods. They are healthy because of the large intake of whole plant foods, as is the case in Japan.

And we know this, because within Japan itself there's a clear relationship between health, and amount of animal products consumed. The traditional Okinawan diet (the place which has the most centenarians int he world) is just 6% calories from animal products, the rest being from sweet potato and rice and veg. Where as mainland Japan where they eat more animal products they don't do as well as their Okinawan neighbors.

This relationship of animal food intake & rates of chronic diseases works on a local level or a global level. Less is always better, all the way to none (Loma Linda 7th day Adventists many of which are vegan by religion tend do the best out of all of the blue zones, when it comes to chronic disease).



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Omega 3 is present in so many plant foods - such as flaxseed/linseed, hemp, chia, and even sea algae (which is where the fish get their omega 3 from)

The benefit of getting omega 3 from plant sources means almost no saturated fat, no cholesterol, no mercury, no IGF-1 raising protein structures (and no antibiotics if you are eating farmed fish). Also they say the ocean will be fishless by 2048..... (which also coincides with the Post Atomic Horror era for the Trekkies out there lol)

Fish also don't have any fiber, (the one macro nutrient everyone pretends doesn't exist, and most people are deficient in). Stay regular and prevent diverticulitis/diverticulitis, and avoid hemorrhoids, and even varicose veins.

Flax also contains lignans which prevents/treats prostate cancer https://www.healthline.com/health/prostate-cancer/flaxseed-and-prostate-cancer.


You just get so much more nutrition out of plants over all. Animal products tend to have a higher amount of a single compound or nutrient, but they have a lot of baggage with it. It's like buying a car, you don't necessarily want the one with the biggest engine, the total package is what's important.


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Whether or not Barnard is a vegan shill, doesn't change the nutritional profiles of foods as shown above.

It also doesn't change the fact he looks, acts and speaks amazing for someone that's 65 years old - clearly putting his theory into practice with wonderful results. And while that is anecdotal, that's certainly something nobody would say about Atkins, or Loran Cordain (Paleo advocate) or Jimmy Moore (Keto advocate), who all look like they could drop dead any minute (and Atkins literally did drop dead).

Mordhaus said:

Eating fish and poultry at least twice a week is conspicuously left off the Mediterranean Diet list here.

Fatty fish — such as mackerel, lake trout, herring, sardines, albacore tuna and salmon — are rich sources of omega-3 fatty acids. Fish is eaten on a regular basis in the Mediterranean diet.

Seems from everything I see, seafood seems to be pretty predominant in Japanese diet intake, the other diet he mentioned in comparison.

So, I figured, let me look up some info on the Dr. presenting here. Neal Barnard is a well known Vegan and founding president of the Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine.

Intriguing, no? Then I looked up the PCRM he is the founding president of (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physicians_Committee_for_Responsible_Medicine). OMG, they just happen to be a non-profit research and advocacy organization based in Washington, D.C., which promotes a vegan diet, preventive medicine, and alternatives to animal research, and encourages what it describes as "higher standards of ethics and effectiveness in research." Its tax filing shows its activities as "prevention of cruelty to animals."

So it is a combination of a Vegan diet promotional group AND PETA. It also seems that they don't mind omitting parts of 'competing' diets to promote their own. Basically this is the equivalent of a organization like Atkins having a doctor like Iris Shai, RD, PhD, show that a low-carbohydrate diet like Atkins had a more favorable effect on blood lipid levels than both the Mediterranean diet or a low–fat diet.

Obviously she must be right, she is a doctor and other doctors support her. So this must mean all the other doctors and diets are wrong, including this one, right?

I'm calling this *propaganda, sorry.

White House revokes CNN reporters press pass

White House revokes CNN reporters press pass

BSR says...

Is there an award for the most compound words in a comment?

newtboy said:

Compared to the minitrue (Fox) they are completely devoid of doublethink, duckspeak, or blackwhite and don't rely on bellyfeel to get away with rectifying misprint and oldthink.
Fox, OAN, and Jones are the plusgood outlets producing goodthink, allowing the rest to be labeled as guilty of crimethink and fodder for a joycamp.

The Mueller Investigation Is Not A Witch Hunt

newtboy says...

Again, you are 100% wrong.
You really need to stop taking legal advice from lying criminal know nothing's trying to weasel out of being caught breaking laws. Of course Trump tells you it isn't a crime. Try looking at the law.

Trump's assertion that using your own money for campaign related expenses without reporting it is legal is 100% wrong. That's an illegal contribution.
Having your lawyer do it for you and then lie to hide it, that compounds the crime, it doesn't erase it. This is why Cohen's recordings are evidence and not privileged. There's no attorney client privilege if you and the lawyer were conspiring to commit crimes, which they clearly and admittedly were.
Cohen admitted to intentionally violating portions of the following federal election laws on behalf of Donald Trump:
52 U.S. Code § 30116 – Limitations on contributions and expenditures
52 U.S. Code § 30118 – Contributions or expenditures by national banks, corporations, or labor organizations

Just duh, Bob. You need to stop talking about stuff you learned from Trump, it's 100% bullshit lies and makes you look incredibly stupid and naive when you repeat their dumb, easily debunked lies.

When he's impeached, I only wish part of the law said idiots who support him forfeit their vote next election and must pass a civics test to have them reinstated. Most of you would never vote again. You have absolutely abdicated your right to complain about the next democratic president. Anything and everything they do that you find criminal or unseemly will be excused/dismissed with one word....Trump. Be ready for a HUGE jump to the left in 2 years, the next president has carte blanche to do whatever they please, thanks to your ilk excusing and turning a blind eye to Trump's crimes.

It makes me wonder how you'll excuse his repeating violations of the constitution like the emoluments clause that he's violated daily since the day he took office. Clearly the constitution means less than Trump to your kind.

bobknight33 said:

Only illegal if it cam from the campaign finance money pot.

Using you own money is fine.
Using you lawyers money is even better.

The ass-kickingest look at our AI-assisted future

BSR says...

Not sure the knife in the mouth was lethal by itself but it did compound with the other injuries which probably caused him pass out. Mouth to mouth resuscitation is probably not an option.

DEET effectiveness demonstration

Transparent Aluminum

newtboy says...

They did invent a new, amazing, transparent metallic compounded never seen before with properties that outperform natural and synthetic aluminum oxides, which until now were not fully transparent. Did you even watch the video?

As the inventors, they get to name it. Transparent aluminum is a good, descriptive name, imo. You can disagree, but if you insist it's not aluminum you'll be contradicted.

Do I call rust "iron" in normal conversation with non scientists, no.
In chemistry class, yes, it's oxidized iron, so "iron" is right.
Would I be silly enough to claim it's NOT iron, absolutely not.

Jinx said:

Aint nothing I like more on a hot day than a coool glass of liquid hydrogen.

AlON is fine. I guess my point was that transparent compounds of metals aren't exactly uncommon, and neither is compounds having quite different characteristics to the elements from which they are composed. So it just seems silly to act like they've invented some amazing transparent metal.

Do you call rust iron? "Look at this chassis, its COVERED in iron! It's practically all iron all the way through!"

Transparent Aluminum

Jinx says...

Aint nothing I like more on a hot day than a coool glass of liquid hydrogen.

AlON is fine. I guess my point was that transparent compounds of metals aren't exactly uncommon, and neither is compounds having quite different characteristics to the elements from which they are composed. So it just seems silly to act like they've invented some amazing transparent metal.

Do you call rust iron? "Look at this chassis, its COVERED in iron! It's practically all iron all the way through!" :P

newtboy said:

Is there aluminum in it? Yes.
Is that aluminum opaque or transparent? Transparent.
*Mic drop*

You griefers are silly.

Transparent Aluminum

Transparent Aluminum

newtboy says...

So, you think rust isn't iron?

Yes, this is aluminum, just as ruby and sapphires are states of aluminum (technically corundum, the technical term for aluminum oxide) but because this is not naturally occurring they were smart to make the chemical composition it's name, AlON (aluminum, oxygen, nitrogen).
You make a new useful compound, you can name it whatever you like. ;-)

Jinx said:

Can we really call it transparent aluminum? I mean, then its also solid oxygen! at room temperature!

Red Transparent Aluminium! aka Ruby
Blue Transparent Aluminium! aka Sapphire

AMAGAD. WHAT IS THIS ON MY KITCHEN TABLE? TRANSPARENT SODIUM!!?!??!?!?!1

Boat Wreck On The Columbia River

newtboy says...

Interestingly, as I read it, he's already admitted guilt regardless of whether he was on his phone or not. He admitted driving while seated, completely unable to see where he was going, compounded by the claim he continued to do so after being warned it wasn't safe. Sure seems like he was failing to operate his boat with due care by any measure.
I hope he has good insurance, because they should all win their lawsuits.
That's one expensive day on the water.

Ickster said:

From the article ant linked to:

2 Drops Of Spilled Mercury Destroyed This Scientist's Brain

drradon says...

Organo -mercury compounds are extremely dangerous even at quite low levels because they do bio-accumulate in the natural environment. Read up on Minamata Disease - caused by industrial disposal of organo-mercury compounds into surface waters that ended up in Minamata Bay in Japan. The mercury bioaccumulated into the fish and shellfish - not only neurological effects but also severe birth defects for the population that consumed the fish.

Donna Brazile: HRC controlled DNC and rigged the primary

newtboy says...

Expansionist Russia is back, and their neighbors need help guarding against Russian overthrow. That time is back.
Ukraine is not Russian, and it had a nuclear weapons program to safeguard against Russian incursions...which we convinced them to give up under our, and Russia's guarantee of their sovereignty and borders, and our guarantee to defend them militarily against Russia should it ever try to take any back, Crimea had the same guarantees. We should be at war with Russia today over it's murderous expansions. Russia entering either area at all was an act of war against us by treaty, one we barely responded to with defensive missiles in countries that wanted them desperately before they became Russian themselves.
The anti Russian sentiment is because of the land grabs, not an excuse for them. Holy shit!

Collusion against your own government and country to subvert the law with a foreign country is a crime. The collusion compounds the subversion.

People use the word collude to assert that Russia and the campaign illegally coordinated, you wrote it backwards.

Jim Jefferies : Drugs: Fun, But Not Always

Mordhaus says...

I would love to be able to get medical marijuana easily in Texas. But the bill they passed in 2015 had so many restrictions it is laughable.

You can only get it if you get low-thc oil. You can only be prescribed it for epilepsy and only then if you haven't responded to federally approved treatments. Assuming you meet those guidelines, you need two different doctors that must be registered with the DPS to both agree that no other medication will help you.

Not bad enough? The state has dragged its feet on actually licensing companies to grow cannabis to make the oil, so that 2 years after the bill was signed a couple of companies are just now able to ramp up production. Then they will need time to convert the product to oil and THEN the state will take some more time to make sure the product 'meets specifications'.

This stupid thing is you can already get low-thc oil on the internet legally that is roughly the same strength. Plus it restricts the most active compound, THC, so it limits drastically who will actually gain any benefit from it.

Since I suffer from two different ailments, both which have been shown to be helped by actual cannabis instead of the oil, I am SOL. I have to take a huge dose of Cymbalta and become zombie-like for a good part of the day, or I can suffer crippling anxiety/depression/fibromyalgia pain. The other fun thing is that the Cymbalta exacerbates my IBS, the other ailment I have that cannabis has been shown to help.

I could cut out a drug with horrible side effects and take a natural drug that could help every single symptom I have, with the only side effects being paranoia and the munchies. But then the pharma company would miss out on the roughly one grand a month that my pills cost my insurance. Can't have that!

PS: That price is for generic Cymbalta now that it is available. Originally it was closer to 2k a month for name brand. Another fun side effect? Cymbalta also fucks up your sex drive, sometimes making you impotent but more frequently making it nigh impossible to orgasm. So you can get erect as a male, but good luck finishing.

"All white people are racist"

Imagoamin says...

Didn't call for censorship. I just find little benefit in singling out an individual with a very tiny platform for saying something dumb. The idea that her being singled out online to be inundated with death threats and vitriol for her and her family (her and her family were doxxed over this) seems to far outweigh the benefit of "stopping this woman going around the country"... seeing as how she's one woman with basically no following and little influence. I doubt she's done many of these talks at all or will do more. (Looked it up. This talk was the only one she'd given all year. Only one on a different subject the year before. Both locally in her area.)

Spreading videos like this after someone has already been doxxed and threatened only seem to help compound the injury. And it's not ideological to me. Justine Sacco said something stupid online and got a crazy amount of blowback and lost her job for it- I don't agree with that either.

If you want to call out what you view as racism, going after the little guys for saying something a little off isn't the way. Go after people with influence. Hell, a police chief in Oklahoma was just caught running a white supremacist website and record label. That guy has direct impact on the rest of people's lives and even if they get to keep their lives in some situations.

Ashleigh is an unemployed recent college grad. The most influence she has are the 15 or 20 people who were all adults that signed up for this particular seminar. I imagine they either agreed with or are old enough to make up their own mind on what was said.

dannym3141 said:

So if you could just let us know what types of racism and hate-speech we should look the other way over, we can begin recreating the third reich immediately...

I don't want anyone dox'd or harassed, and i especially don't want her racism to result in more racism directed at her because that will confirm her bigoted world view. But I can't wrap my head around someone defending a racist hate-speech from a *left wing point of view.* Historically, anti-racism, anti-facism, etc. was always led by the left - this is their genre!

I don't understand what her age has got to do with it other than excuse making, and i also don't understand why the sift shouldn't be allowed to post videos that are used by websites/groups we ideologically oppose. In that case, we need to take down the videos about cops killing unarmed black teenagers, because far-right websites use those videos in different contexts too. And we better show understanding and take down videos of those "random young people" from Charlottesville marching as nazis.

I know i'm being a bit sarcastic here, but seriously..... do not - DO NOT - censor videos showcasing racism according to the skin colour of the offender. That is possibly the exact worst thing you could do to help the far right cause. We are right to speak up and hopefully stop this woman going off round the country radicalising more people to her way of thinking.

Edit:
You can say that nazis marching in the street and getting violent are inherently more problematic than what is shown in this video and i agree. But the reason we have violent nazis in the streets is because we compromised and allowed acolytes for hatred like Milo to make his own hate-speeches in the name of 'respecting all viewpoints' and led by impotent neoliberal centrists who didn't want to piss off a demographic by morally challenging their views.



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