"That depends on who you ask...witnesses..." Really... Yeah, the same shit is argued by "witnesses" for the CIA that argue the CIA does not "torture" people. THAT ARGUMENT in general is utterly asinine. A group of people, many who contradicted each other in the heat of the moment want to portray the outsider as a bad guy...it doesn't help that most of them are low intelligence. Imagine if it had all been white police officers who were the "witnesses", you sure as hell would not side with them. You would say they lie, or defend one another...

Additionally, even if not intentionally, I know that mistaken identity has screwed so many innocent people because in a crisis situation your cognitive functions all but lie to you. You just don't remember things very clearly--even if you are unbiased.

So what do you do? Fault imperfect humans in an imperfect situation? No, you look at the physical evidence. Did the bullet enter the top of his head? Well then he was under the officer and people underneath someone usually try to take someone to the ground, etc. The DA threw the cases away...um, no...the Grand Jury did...the DA has considerable sway there, yes, but then so does public perception...

As a sidebar I should add that in proper uses of force, not Garner's particular situation at all, the more officers on a subject the better. This prevents injury by immobilizing someone. The more someone moves the more force that eventually has to be used. That is the principle behind the tazer. Yeah, I could rip you off the car door you grab on to resist arrest, or I could taze you. Potentially rip your arm out of its socket, or shock you for five seconds...same with three or four people grabbing you to gain compliance. Same reason handcuffs are applied.

I guess I know why my car doors lock automatically when I put the car into drive.

Ah...the memories. We made so much of this stuff. Paint door knobs and car door handles with it, then stand back and watch the fun.

Right up until a few months later, when I found a bottle (1 ml or so) that had dried up. Gave it a shake and boom! No bottle, just holes in the fabric of the roof of the car. I'm almost positive I didn't make any more after that.

Perhaps I do speculate a bit as to why the biker caused the 'accident', but it seems to me that you continue to speculate that the driver MUST have done SOMETHING to cause the bikers to completely loose their shit and attack the family with helmets and knives. I fail to see how you get that impression without starting from the standpoint that the bikers MUST be 'reasonable' people that would not have attacked without 'proper' provocation. I think their behavior proves clearly they are not reasonable. More than likely, there were some 1%ers in that group that live for that kind of trouble, including the one that started it.
At least according to the police, his tires were slashed and his car hit with multiple helmets, provoking him to drive over the bikes/biker. He was later nearly ripped out of the car (door locks people) and finally at a third location actually pulled out and beaten/stabbed.
Perhaps I misunderstood, but you SEEMED to be excusing the bikers behavior, at least to a point, by saying (in essence) 'The driver provoked them'. I disagreed that he did, (I certainly didn't see it in the video) and also disagree that anything excuses a gang blocking the freeway and teaching a lesson to those that disrespected their road ownership by slashing tires, beating the car with helmets, terrorizing a family with a small child.
My hunch is that this guy didn't follow the gangs directions to stop and kept driving where they wanted to do tricks in the freeway, and they decided to teach him a lesson for messing with their illegal street trick performance...which this group is apparently well known for. They did the same thing last year to at least one other car without the chase or bike climbing, from the videos I've seen today. Surrounded it in traffic and beat on it.
As an aside...the guy was in a great position to talk shit, in a 3 ton 4WD on the freeway...it's when he turned onto side streets with traffic and didn't lock the door that he was in the real bad position! ;-}
I say things like "fag gangs with knives" because that's what they were. Fags and the bike curious. I understand the mindset of gang members, I simply think that most are narcissistic self centered assholes that need their friends around to be tough (for the most part... some are real tough narcissistic assholes). If you're wearing a full patch or ride in groups with others wearing patches, you're in a gang, not a club...at least to me.
And before you get the wrong impression that I don't get the dangers bikers live with, I rode my bicycle 40 miles per day in the bay area for years, and NO ONE sees a bicycle, at least they hear motorcycles. I don't support the people who block the street with bicycles either.

I agree that it happened this way most likely...since road rage is all the rage right now. If the cell-phone guy had a gun this would be How to stop a lunatic from ripping open your car door and reaching for you. Bang.

Around here, opening your car door into a traffic lane, and getting it bent off, is your own darn fault.

Found that out when some ass was trying to force me to merge behind him. Dork threw his door open to block my lane, so I tore it clean off.

By accident... of course...

Cold is when you can't even open your car door because freezing rain has coated your entire car with a layer of ice. The coldest I have ever seen was -26 F. The snot freezes in your nose when you breathe.

so what this and other videos have taught me.

1. don't bother locking your car doors.
2. don't leave anything you like inside your car.
3. pray that no one uses your car as a restroom.

What a complete retard. "I know, I'll go get a knife then he'll have no choice but to roll down his window. How's he going to get away? My car door is blocking his escape!"

My initial suspicion was the same as the host's - that the bottle was rocketing up and the cap was "overrun" by the rest of the bottle. That doesn't hold up to scrutiny since the cap "shrinks" back rather than staying still.

In their first explosion, the cap actually explodes very quickly after the burst. That seems relevant. I'm not sure how.

My second thought is along the "vacuum\low pressure" line of thinking. The entire bottle is pressurized in the instant of the explosion, and then ruptures at the bottom, so now the bottom of the bottle is lower pressure as water is rushing out, pulling the cap end down. Bernoulli principle, perhaps?
I imagine a bottle full of water, but it has no bottom. The water is rapidly and forcibly evacuated. The logical thing is for the cap to be crumpled downward.

Ooh, wait. Could this have something to do with the gas at the top of the bottle vs the liquid? I'm having flashbacks to the Mythbusters episode about the sinking car, and how the pressure of the water inside the car was lower than the outside as long as significant amount of air was left in the vehicle, so even though the water was up past the inside of the car door, it still couldn't be pushed open until the rest of the car had equalized. This seems relevant to me as well, though I'm not sure how, exactly.

mmhmmm "accident" riiiight.>> ^gwiz665:

I once did this when I accidentally slammed my balls in the car door.

I once did this when I accidentally slammed my balls in the car door.

How did I know the first comment would be blaming the cyclist? Sick. He was following the law, and was in the middle of the lane the whole time.

From my experience as a bike messenger and commuter, I think holding the lane is a poor idea unless the conditions are too narrow for safe passing, like in construction zones. Generally, riding about 1 m from the edge is best because it gives you room to go around debris, avoid sewer grates, and miss opening car doors at speed, even while being passed.

>> ^Reefie:

How many of you who are saying the car driver didn't deserve that actually commute to work daily by bike? None of you? Thought so!


I've done both. I have to say, 'round here at least the Cyclists are worse than the motorists. I often drive up a major artery where cyclists block an entire lane to themselves when there's a dedicated bike path one block away that runs parallel. There's a big hill on the arterial road where a cyclist was killed a few years back because they were going well over the speed limit and some woman opened her car door at the wrong moment.

I also had a time when two cyclists zipped past me and blocked the path for my right hand turn (I was signaling) I chirped the horn at them and one of them started wailing on the side of my car.

Most cyclists are good citizens. Some are absolute militant assholes who ought to be run over once in a while to teach them some manners.

@Reefie
I commute by bike over 100 days per year in Chicago and ride in the city (to the gym, grocer, etc) another 50 to 75 days.

That cyclist is completely out of line.

I was yelled at for opening my car door one night by a cyclist in all black, no light, riding down the street. F me? No F him.


I am tired as a cyclist and driver of seeing cyclist basically ride WITHOUT rules of any kind. Cell phones while riding? Yes. No lights at night? Yes. Weaving dangerously through traffic? Yes.